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The NATO appearance of the Deathstrike?

When did NATO start fielding V2s?

swuk wrote:Is there anyone here who thinks that the SM Whirlwind would look out of place in the IG line up ?

I think it would.

swuk wrote:Purple food let me give you one example of what i see as a unit belonging to the wrong side




In the IG army what looks more at home... the Space Marine Whirlwind , with it distinctly NATO appearance or The Imperial Guard Manticore / Deathstrike . look at the rockets , surely the more sophisticated rockets belong to the space marines on not the lower tech Imperial guard.

Rhino
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440176a&prodId=prod1670003&rootCatGameStyle=

Manticore
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If i was calling the shots the SM rhino would be moved to the IG camp

I would take the more high tech looking rockets found on the IG vehicle and give them to the SM. I would then design a chassis that looked like it belonged in year 40,000 AD



Is there anyone here who thinks that the SM Whirlwind would look out of place in the IG line up ?

Apart from these few tiny points:
The Whirlwind is based on the predator chassis which is used by SM forces because it is light and can carry a lot of guns. It isn't heavily armoured and doesn't have the same firepower as an MBT. The whirlwind is supposed to support SM in lightning strikes deathstrikes and manticores cannot move at the speeds required to do this.

The IG are not based on Nato or anything approaching that. They are overall loosely based on WWI thinking and tactics (Forget model design and look at it overall) and as such they have massive artillery pieces capable of creating hell on earth for a short time as the armies during WWI did.

Your biggest problem is that you think future=advanced tech and understanding of it. This isn't true in 40k, in 40k technology is akin to religion and is treated with superstition and ignorance even by those that understand it they may have advanced tech even rivalling the Tau but because they don't understand it they cannot improve upon it.

Incidentally SM are mired in tradition and relics. E.g.They mostly reject the improved Mk VIII power armour because they know the Mk. VII pattern better.

swuk wrote:Purple food let me give you one example of what i see as a unit belonging to the wrong side




In the IG army what looks more at home... the Space Marine Whirlwind , with it distinctly NATO appearance or The Imperial Guard Manticore / Deathstrike . look at the rockets , surely the more sophisticated rockets belong to the space marines on not the lower tech Imperial guard.

Whirlwind
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440176a&prodId=prod1670003&rootCatGameStyle=

Manticore
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440173a&prodId=prod770022a&rootCatGameStyle=





If i was calling the shots the SM rhino would be moved to the IG camp

I would take the more high tech looking rockets found on the IG vehicle and give them to the SM. I would then design a chassis that looked like it belonged in year 40,000 AD



Is there anyone here who thinks that the SM Whirlwind would look out of place in the IG line up ?

what are you talking about? there is a reason the IG have all the heavy armor and bad ass artillary...because they are made to "hold the line". SM on the other hand are a precision strike force....they wouldnt need huge ass missles to do what they do. Just like in the real world the Imperium's military support each other...there is no need for the space marines to have Leman russ tanks and manticore missles it would just be over kill for them especially because if they even needed them they could just call the IG.

And yes a Whirlewind would look slowed with the IG...the reason the IG are scary is because of their infinite amounts of tanks and artillary.

iproxtaco wrote:You know what is really irritating? The fact that the guy edits his posts heaps of times, each time being different. Take his mechwarrior post, it's the near opposite of what he originally said. Now apparently mechs are seamlessly integrated, when before they were "plonked in" and were out of place with the theme.

Edit : Oh god another senseless argument.

The Whirlwind looks infinitely more advanced than the Manticore. The Whirlwind looks like a Space Marine vehicle, the Manticore looks like an Imperial Guard vehicle. They would look out of place if swapped.

Yeah, sounds like he's a man who likes to be right.
Oh well.
In other news, the T'au Hammerhead was declared to look out of place, and was swapped for the Eldar falcon, on the basis that both races use smooth, curved surfaces in their vehicles and that nobody would notice.

The Manticore is based off of the generic big red rocket on the back or a truck that is associated with the soviets and China, which complies with the "In soviet Russia, we have no need for bullets, we will bury you with bodies" direction that GW has taken the IG in.

Following this logic, SM chapters should have ownership of all titans, since thats the most powerfull tech.

newalexander wrote:I'm curious as to the point of this topic.

Were you trying to gain something from this topic? Was your goal to round up supporters?

He's a troll. Stop feeding it.

It's to much fun. When a troll crashes and burns, but continues flopping around like a fish on dry, I can't help but poke it with a stick

iproxtaco wrote:The Manticore is based off of the generic big red rocket on the back or a truck that is associated with the soviets and China, which is in the direction of the "In soviet Russia, we have no need for bullets, we will bury you with bodies" that GW has taken the IG in.

And they took it even further. They bury the enemy with bodies and then they bury the bodies with bodies.

I can't really come up with a single unit in the game that would be out of place at the moment. Naturally if we go with the swapping plan then I'd say that a leman russ would be very out of place in a tyranid army.

I can, Jokaero.

Soladrin wrote:I can, Jokaero.

Jokaero are out of place in a Daemonhunters codex unless you follow a slightly twisty chain of events but they suit Ordo Xenos perfectly.

Props to Jimsolo for having more self-restraint than all of us combined. I didn't even consider actually responding to swuk's post...

Goddard wrote:Props to Jimsolo for having more self-restraint than all of us combined. I didn't even consider actually responding to swuk's post...

I actually agree with you and admit that I was not that smart.

purplefood wrote:

Soladrin wrote:I can, Jokaero.

Jokaero are out of place in a Daemonhunters codex unless you follow a slightly twisty chain of events but they suit Ordo Xenos perfectly.

Even then, it's not something that belongs in the tabletop. They should have kept them purely in the fluff.

Soladrin wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Soladrin wrote:I can, Jokaero.

Jokaero are out of place in a Daemonhunters codex unless you follow a slightly twisty chain of events but they suit Ordo Xenos perfectly.

Even then, it's not something that belongs in the tabletop. They should have kept them purely in the fluff.

True but then again you can say that about a few units and ostensibly even the entire Inquisition but that wouldn't be as fun.

Nah, the inquisition does go to war, bringing their pet jokaero isn't something they would ever consider since the thing is far to valuable to lose in a battle.

Nerivant Ref meaning of stem punk

Rivets & Brass , Aviation Goggles , and Victorian style decoration

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steampunk

The ww1 tank used by the SM is riddled with rivets , and was designed & built at the end of the steam age.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanks_in_World_War_I


Steam Punk takes its styling from one era , the tech may be more advanced than that era but the styling remains. That's not a deep definition , it a general description.

The IG Leeman Rusk , Basilisk , Manticor chassis and the SM Landraider all look like they belong to a side dedicated to steam punk & look distinctly out of place in their current armies.

IG should be NATO +

SM should be NATO +++





Imperial Guard Valkyrie is an example of NATO + and so to my mind it is perfectly at home as it is.
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Soladrin wrote:Nah, the inquisition does go to war, bringing their pet jokaero isn't something they would ever consider since the thing is far to valuable to lose in a battle.

They don't go to war that often though.
The jokaero should have stayed as an upgrade to existing models' weapons and not an actual model... go figure.

swuk wrote:Nerivant Ref meaning of stem punk

Rivets & Brass , Aviation Goggles , and Victorian style decoration

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steampunk

The ww1 tank used by the SM is riddled with rivets , and was designed & built at the end of the steam age.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanks_in_World_War_I


Steam Punk takes its styling from one era , the tech may be more advanced than that era but the styling remains. That's not a deep definition , it a general description.

The IG Leeman Rusk , Basilisk , Manticor chassis and the SM Landraider all look like they belong to a side dedicated to steam punk.

IG should be NATO +

SM should be NATO +++

That is all so very wrong I'm not even going to bother going into detail.

You still don't understand what steampunk means.

I spent about 5 minutes typing out a reply before i decided no one can be this wrong and not be intentionally trolling at which point i deleted my reply and typed this one instead.

A heavily converted Land Raider could look quite steampunk...ish but not the ordinary unconverted one. Yes it does resemble the WW1 tank but a way more advanced and modern version of it. It's more like a moving bunker. The Chimera chassis and the Leman Russ... they just make me think Russia. Steampunk conversions of those might be nice actually. Maybe with Vostroyans or a completely converted steampunk IG force.

Yeah, a proper troll uses wit to annoy people.

He is amusing people with moronic statements based on nothing.

swuk wrote:Stuff about steampunk

Please, please, please say you are not really English. I really can't stand the thought that you are my countryman

SilverMK2 wrote:

swuk wrote:Stuff

Please, please, please say you are not really English. I really can't stand the thought that you are my countryman

I had a similar thought Silver...

swuk wrote:Nerivant Ref meaning of stem punk

Rivets & Brass , Aviation Goggles , and Victorian style decoration

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steampunk

The ww1 tank used by the SM is riddled with rivets , and was designed & built at the end of the steam age.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanks_in_World_War_I


Steam Punk takes its styling from one era , the tech may be more advanced than that era but the styling remains. That's not a deep definition , it a general description.

The IG Leeman Rusk , Basilisk , Manticor chassis and the SM Landraider all look like they belong to a side dedicated to steam punk & look distinctly out of place in their current armies.

IG should be NATO +

SM should be NATO +++

Now you are just thrusting opinion into what each army should be,changing decades of bad fluff , in all seriousness I actually like the ww2esque look of the imperial guard, and personally I think space marines look fine, the only unit I would give them is the baneblade.....because it looks fething awesome, another thing that you may not be looking at is the fact that many people who are drawn to 40k modelling are drawn from the ranks of ww2 modelling, and as such GW moves in a way to please people like that more, and in doing so earn more $$. Quite frankly if you dont like 40k minis dont buy them, such as I dont care for the look of fantasy models, so I do not buy them, and since most games I play are friendly it doesnt really hurt anyones feelings when I proxy, if you are a tourney player then you are probably SOL and JWF.


TL;DR If you dont like the minis dont buy them, let other people use their money how they see fit.

Its quite funny, even after linking the wiki page for steampunk he still has no idea what it means, and then wrongly attributes the definition to WW1 tanks and then IG vehicles.

But WW1 was SO steampunk! Didn't you see the boilers and useless cogs in all the machines?!

I know right! And the Victorian frocks they all wore whilst crewing them!

Another thing, stop attributing the term NATO to a particular style.