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Byte wrote: It's a long winded statement to say "stay on topic and if your not the topic, don't post". Still kinda strange to post in a public forum however. Like the thread is his "little club".

Guess I'm a troll now btw...

so because this is a public forum, it's unreasonable to expect to engage in a discussion about a particular subject?

I find your reference to this thread as my "little club" a bit childish actually, and goes to show that even though my statement may have been "long winded" you still fail to grasp the point......I think that says more about you than it does me.

Worglock wrote:

yamgrenade wrote:I'm not banning GW models, I'm just not going to buy directly from them any more.

Too overpriced for a long time now anyway.

you do know that they still get their money right?

They get money, but they get less money

warboss wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:I actually think that's a valid point.

It is... which is why I tell people to simply stop buying and not just switching their particular dealer. Whether you buy from Tyrone on 26th street or Mikey on 14th avenue, the Columbians get their cut regardless. It honestly didn't work too well with my local crowd as they did what HBMC did and just bought a crapload before the price raise.

... But, If one is purchasing miniutures second hand (via ebay/swap/bartertown ,etc) and not through GW/FLGS...then how does that money find it's way to GW?
For example, as I said, I have an OOP Praetorian army...for which I purchased ( second hand) OOP minis for...since GW hasn't produced these minis in years, and I'm buying them from " Bob the Guy"...how is this putting money in GW's pockets?
...I suppose a case could be made that " Bob the Guy" might turn around and spend the money he get's from my purchasing his OOP minis on "New" GW products.....but then again he might also spend it on booze...or stick it all into a strippers G-string.

On the way home I bought gas
The local store owner took the small profit I made by my gas purchase and gave his kid an allowance
His kid bought 2nd hand GW off Ebay with his allowance
The kid that sold that 2nd hand GW off Ebay gave it to his buddy on a trade for WM stuff
The kid that sold his WM stuff to his buddy that sold 2nd hand GW stuff on Ebay went directly into a GW and bought a Finecast model at full retail


*Laments to the sky*
Curse you GW!

AgeOfEgos wrote:On the way home I bought gas
The local store owner took the small profit I made by my gas purchase and gave his kid an allowance
His kid bought 2nd hand GW off Ebay with his allowance
The kid that sold that 2nd hand GW off Ebay gave it to his buddy on a trade for WM stuff
The kid that sold his WM stuff to his buddy that sold 2nd hand GW stuff on Ebay went directly into a GW and bought a Finecast model at full retail


*Laments to the sky*
Curse you GW!

...Sooner or later...GW will get all your money.

FITZZ wrote:
...I suppose a case could be made that " Bob the Guy" might turn around and spend the money he get's from my purchasing his OOP minis on "New" GW products.....but then again he might also spend it on booze...or stick it all into a strippers G-string.

Pretty much that and I was a good example of it. When I got back into 40k in 5th edition, I eventually got two new armies which were almost wholey financed (as well as other gaming purchases) by selling 3 old armies. While not everyone sells 40k stuff and then uses that money to buy more, there are a good percentage of people that do. A completely unscientific way of taking a peek at how many might is to take a look in the swap shop and see how many people have 40k in both their wants and there haves lists. Are there people that are only selling GW and not looking for anything from them? Sure, but less than half.

warboss wrote:

FITZZ wrote:
...I suppose a case could be made that " Bob the Guy" might turn around and spend the money he get's from my purchasing his OOP minis on "New" GW products.....but then again he might also spend it on booze...or stick it all into a strippers G-string.

Pretty much that and I was a good example of it. When I got back into 40k in 5th edition, I eventually got two new armies which were almost wholey financed (as well as other gaming purchases) by selling 3 old armies. While not everyone sells 40k stuff and then uses that money to buy more, there are a good percentage of people that do. A completely unscientific way of taking a peek at how many might is to take a look in the swap shop and see how many people have 40k in both their wants and there haves lists. Are there people that are only selling GW and not looking for anything from them? Sure, but less than half.

I agree overall, I'm sure that indirectly moneys I have spent towards second hand minis has eventually found it's way back to GW ( at least a certian percentage of it.), though I myself have made the conscience effort not to purchase directly from GW ( up to and including scrapping plans to start a DE army).
I buy second hand to complete the Praetorians I started as I invested a great deal in beginning them, but as I said before upon their completion, I plan to leave GW altogether ( I'll play with the armies I have/ but not purchase anything new from them).

Delephont wrote:Hi Peeps

Well, it's been a fair few weeks since the Great GW Heresy. Amid all the teeth neashing, hair pulling, and general "nerd" rage, certain Dakka members swore to walk away and never look back. I was one of them. Since deciding that I wasn't going to invest in GW anymore as a source for my gaming hobby (in any way shape or form!) I feel myself getting less and less embroiled in GW chat, and generally don't even think about or follow their, somewhat shrouded, product releases.....in short, it's great!

I was wondering what has become of the other "ragers" , what are you guys doing now? Have you turned back to the dark side, or have you, like me, found solace in other products?

So come on, tell us the truth.....where are you now?

Wow a whole two weeks or so? What a Martyr!!!

Check back with us in six months to a year, I bet most will be back sucking at the GW teet...

Wouldn't wanna put money on that.
Some of us are rather averse to sucking up and such taunts only serve to stregthen one's resolve to be distanced from GW

Delephont wrote:

Byte wrote: It's a long winded statement to say "stay on topic and if your not the topic, don't post". Still kinda strange to post in a public forum however. Like the thread is his "little club".

Guess I'm a troll now btw...

so because this is a public forum, it's unreasonable to expect to engage in a discussion about a particular subject?

I find your reference to this thread as my "little club" a bit childish actually, and goes to show that even though my statement may have been "long winded" you still fail to grasp the point......I think that says more about you than it does me.

Strange, you attack me for trying to clarify your lack of attack on another member. Classy.

CT GAMER wrote:

Delephont wrote:Hi Peeps

Well, it's been a fair few weeks since the Great GW Heresy. Amid all the teeth neashing, hair pulling, and general "nerd" rage, certain Dakka members swore to walk away and never look back. I was one of them. Since deciding that I wasn't going to invest in GW anymore as a source for my gaming hobby (in any way shape or form!) I feel myself getting less and less embroiled in GW chat, and generally don't even think about or follow their, somewhat shrouded, product releases.....in short, it's great!

I was wondering what has become of the other "ragers" , what are you guys doing now? Have you turned back to the dark side, or have you, like me, found solace in other products?

So come on, tell us the truth.....where are you now?

Wow a whole two weeks or so? What a Martyr!!!

Check back with us in six months to a year, I bet most will be back sucking at the GW teet...

...And your reasoning behind this would be...?

Honestly, I find it somewhat amusing that people have such a hard time believing that people could actually get fed up with something and walk away from it...
GW isn't a wife...or a family...or a job ( for most)....and people walk away from those all the time...is it honestly so difficult to belive that folks would reach a point in which they would say..."Ok ..I'm done.." and go elsewhere for their entertainment?

FITZZ wrote:is it honestly so difficult to belive that folks would reach a point in which they would say..."Ok ..I'm done.." and go elsewhere for their entertainment?

I believe there was mention of a strip club earlier in the thread??

SilverMK2 wrote:

FITZZ wrote:is it honestly so difficult to belive that folks would reach a point in which they would say..."Ok ..I'm done.." and go elsewhere for their entertainment?

I believe there was mention of a strip club earlier in the thread??

...Exactly...do you know how many lap dances you can get for the cost of a tactical squad these days..

I'll stay with GW, but cancelled plans to build a DE army quickly.
A Kan wall is waiting to be completed and this will happen during summer.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Wouldn't wanna put money on that.
Some of us are rather averse to sucking up and such taunts only serve to stregthen one's resolve to be distanced from GW

Its not a taunt its an observation based upon what I have seen again and again over the years.

Lots of bluster and talk until just the right "new shiny thing" comes along and then people go right back to the crack pipe that is GW...

FITZZ wrote: ...Exactly...do you know how many lap dances you can get for the cost of a tactical squad these days..

Just so long as you don't use Creed to outflank back to your place

Pine Green
Dettol
Sump oil
Tesco's universal cleaner
fairy pow....

oh.
I have misunderstood haven't I

FITZZ wrote:

...And your reasoning behind this would be...?

Nothing other then I have seen it over and over again since the early ninties...

Yes a few stoic individuals might just walk away, but most eventually return.

CT GAMER wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Wouldn't wanna put money on that.
Some of us are rather averse to sucking up and such taunts only serve to stregthen one's resolve to be distanced from GW

Its not a taunt its an observation based upon what I have seen again and again over the years.

Lots of bluster and talk until just the right "new shiny thing" comes along and then people go right back to the crack pipe that is GW...

...That's making the assumption that people will even be paying attention when " New shinny things" come out...
Sure, some will...some will have moved on and won't care less.

FITZZ wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Wouldn't wanna put money on that.
Some of us are rather averse to sucking up and such taunts only serve to stregthen one's resolve to be distanced from GW

Its not a taunt its an observation based upon what I have seen again and again over the years.

Lots of bluster and talk until just the right "new shiny thing" comes along and then people go right back to the crack pipe that is GW...

...That's making the assumption that people will even be paying attention when " New shinny things" come out...
Sure, some will...some will have moved on and won't care less.

So you and Chibi are now living in a hobby-free bubble? Weird you both seem to be haunting Dakka rather regularly...

I have purchased a copy of Heavy Gear Blitz and am contemplating some Infinity stuff amongst other things.

I think that GW realizes they are losing vets. Maybe that is one reason they are rereleasing the Lamassu.

CT GAMER wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

...And your reasoning behind this would be...?

Nothing other then I have seen it over and over again since the early ninties...

Yes a few stoic individuals might just walk away, but most eventually return.

Perhaps...
I know in my case I didn't "discover" GW until I was almost 30, I got on just fine with out it for all those years prior and, while I enjoy a good game and doing a bit of painting and modeling...I certianly don't " need' GW in my life to be happy...in fact I'm rather convinced I'll be happier spending the money elsewhere...


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CT GAMER wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Wouldn't wanna put money on that.
Some of us are rather averse to sucking up and such taunts only serve to stregthen one's resolve to be distanced from GW

Its not a taunt its an observation based upon what I have seen again and again over the years.

Lots of bluster and talk until just the right "new shiny thing" comes along and then people go right back to the crack pipe that is GW...

...That's making the assumption that people will even be paying attention when " New shinny things" come out...
Sure, some will...some will have moved on and won't care less.

So you and Chibi are now living in a hobby-free bubble? Weird you both seem to be haunting Dakka rather regularly...

Funny...I wasn't aware that Dakka had a "purchase limit" required in order to post here....

Still spend the same amount of money on GW stuff that i have for the past 20+ years. Love all thier games and will continue to support them for years to come. It the best mimi gaming system out there for me. How you all enjoy the games you are all playing. Have fun!

So you and Chibi are now living in a hobby-free bubble? Weird you both seem to be haunting Dakka rather regularly...

Hey, FITZZ and Chibi, if you ever want to play me in one of my non-hobby game systems, such as Warmachine or Dystopian Wars, I'd welcome it. Bear in mind, though, these miniature based wargames are not a hobby.

That seems a fair assessment Fitzz.

Can't say that I have noticed any withdrawal symptoms from going cold turkey
I do need some new paints but my LFGS stocks Vallejo which is supposedly very good.

My only dilemma is Citadel metal paints which I do like.
but if I needs must forgo their delights so be it.

FITZZ wrote:

Funny...I wasn't aware that Dakka had a "purchase limit" required in order to post here....

That wasn't my point. You implied that people that had walked away wouldn't could be tempted by "new shiny" becasue they wouldn't be paying attention to notice them. That is fairly hard to do given the nature of this site...

htj wrote:

So you and Chibi are now living in a hobby-free bubble? Weird you both seem to be haunting Dakka rather regularly...

Hey, FITZZ and Chibi, if you ever want to play me in one of my non-hobby game systems, such as Warmachine or Dystopian Wars, I'd welcome it. Bear in mind, though, these miniature based wargames are not a hobby.

I think due to Chibi's location ,he'd be much more able to take you up on that...as me playing you would involve a plane trip...but..if I'm ever on your side of the pond.

Wow
got ninja'd by plenty of sweet stuff

Thanks HTJ
not hobby works for me!

Amazing I didn't realise one wasn't even supposed to discuss something unless actively engaged in it
That'll keep me unprecendently quiet as I will have bugger all to talk about!

edit: of course there is always my long term illness
the aches the pains! Am sure Dakka would be very interested

no?

no one?


*chirrup*

htj wrote:

So you and Chibi are now living in a hobby-free bubble? Weird you both seem to be haunting Dakka rather regularly...

Hey, FITZZ and Chibi, if you ever want to play me in one of my non-hobby game systems, such as Warmachine or Dystopian Wars, I'd welcome it. Bear in mind, though, these miniature based wargames are not a hobby.

Your attempt at being clever aside, wargaming is a hobby, and Warmachine and any other such games are part of said hobby.

I play Warmachine regularly, and have done so since before Original Prime was even on the shelves. I also have a fairly large list of complaints concerning GW and it's various buisness decisions, pricing, treatment of fanbase, game design, etc.


None of that changes the facts as evidenced over and over again since I have been involved.

i have seen scores walk away/boycott in disgust in the past 20+ years, and most are back playing today. It is an observation that history has shown me is sound.

Chibi and Fitzz MAY be part of the small percentage that don't, but that does nothing to change my observation...


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Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:
Amazing I didn't realise one wasn't even supposed to discuss something unless actively engaged in it
That'll keep me unprecendently quiet as I will have bugger all to talk about!

I didnt say that as I already pointed put, lets try to keep the discussion on the facts:

Fittz suggested that those that walkaway would not be tempted back becuse they would have no exposure to the new shiny. I think that is laughable if one spends any amount of time here or on similar sites...

CT GAMER wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Funny...I wasn't aware that Dakka had a "purchase limit" required in order to post here....

That wasn't my point. You implied that people that had walked away wouldn't could be tempted by "new shiny" becasue they wouldn't be paying attention to notice them. That is fairly hard to do given the nature of this site...

I get what your saying, but by "walked away" I meant no longer purchased GW products....and while one may see the " New toys" one can always resist the desire to purchase them..or see them and not care.
For example, I wanted to start a Dark Elder army ( had one in 3rd ed and liked it and like the look of the new minis) however, due to my dislike of GW...I opted not to...
It's a simple matter of conviction, I don't like the racist owner of the guitar shop down the street...I don't buy from him...I don't like how GW runs their business...I don't buy from them...