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@ H.B.M.C.: All good movie battles are set pieces. They don't really exist of themselves but rather to drive the protagonists' story. Yeah, I suppose Hoth does boil down to the Rebels winning by getting away or losing by not getting away. To me, boardgames are prefect for this more limited scope. If you want more "depth" of play (in the sense you seem to be talking about) from a board game then you'd be better off with Risk like you said. But frankly those are the games that seem "shallow" to me. What they gain in strategic possibility they lose in tactical relevance (where wargaming comes in) and really, really lose in terms of character. All Risk-like game are, in my opinion, pretty well generic.

I don't mind her view of the Jedi. My own isn't as aggressive as hers but I tend to prefer a lot of the non-Jedi stuff with the Star Wars universe. I like what she did with the Mandalorians (so far... like I said I haven't read her New Repbulic era stuff like Bloodlines).

I can understand though if her material won't be part of any sources for the FFG stuff. I wouldn't mind too much with the exclusion of it. It isn't like its the totality of Star Wars or something. But I do hope they do give a nod to the EU and not just the Movies and Clone Wars TV series.

@ djphranq: The Han Solo card appears to be a picture of him winning the Falcon in the fabled game of Sabaac (sp?) with Lando so that's promising.

@all other SW geeks: The Jedi being blinkered, I think, is a main theme of the overarching story. Even in the original movies, Obi-Wan and Yoda still had Vader all wrong. It took Luke -- a kid who was not trained in all their fastidious anti-emotion philosophies -- to understand the truth of the "balance of the force" prophecy. Imagine that: one kid with little to no Jedi training managing to save the day when a whole order of incredibly skilled warrior-monks let it go to gak in the first place. That, however, is a major point for Lucas -- the triumph of the rebel, the unconventional, the individual.

Edit: oh wait... forget it sorry

Is that not an event that takes place outside of the movies?


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Ah, nevermind, you got it.

I am both excited and fethed about, yet, another Star Wars RPG. Hopefully they manage to stick with it for longer then WotC did. I know WotC had a long run with it but completely revamping it and then shortly there after dropping it made me kind of mad.

I too hope they go back to D6 system...and maybe buy up the rights to all the old books so they can be republished.

ProtoClone wrote:
I too hope they go back to D6 system...and maybe buy up the rights to all the old books so they can be republished.

Wholesale reprints of the old WEG books seems like a losing proposition. Expense with minimal return.

On the other hand, I think I remember that WotC inherited a LOT of rights to the WEG material as part of the deal, and the 1st edition of SWd20 used some line art and such that looked familiar when they did the equipment guides. I don't know the details, but it's quite possible that everything WEG (and maybe WotC) created is considered 'owned' by Lucas and is part of the license.

I absolutely LOVE SWRPG Saga Edition. So wicked.

Scottywan82 wrote:I absolutely LOVE SWRPG Saga Edition. So wicked.

Me, too, dude. Let me know if you want to get a KotOR-era group together in Richmond.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Would you buy a board game that was just the Battle of Hoth?

I would.

It's one of the most memorable battles of the entire franchise, and you only get a glimpse of it in the movie. This battle was also my most favorite map on the Battlefront computer game, where I thoroughly enjoyed playing both sides.

That said, I think it could also work with generic battles. Perhaps even have the board consist of hex fields that get randomly connected to each other to create a new map every time! Surely something could be done with that.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Would a Risk or Chaos in the Old World style game set around the Clone Wars work?

I think so! Granted, just "Risk" with SW figures sounds a bit too much like a copy, though I reckon it'd still be fun. I guess instead of a planetary map you could have a galaxy one, with various important sectors to conquer by moving little fleets around...

I'd also love to see some more material from the Legacy era. It has a seriously interesting political constellation (resurgent Galactic Empire finally kicks the rebels' descendants' ass and reconquers the galaxy, Emperor actually is a good guy now, Alliance Remnant and Jedi go into hiding, Sith return in force and stage a coup ... it's like an "all out" with lots of shaky alliances against common foes with lots of mutual distrust amidst a steadily decaying galaxy that still suffers from the aftermath of the Vong invasion. Plus, the Empire finally gets its own "Jedi" order - which is cooler than the Republic one )

H.B.M.C. wrote:The less of Karen "The Jedi are out to get us!" Traviss' work, the better.

Have to agree there...

I absolutely loved the first "Republic Commando" novel, but things just went downhill from there. What started out as something rare - solid military action combined with a Jedi character that was not "all powerful" but had actual flaws - devolved into a Mandalorian wankfest that turned Mandos into overhyped Space Marines and seemed to split the Jedi camp into either "misguided and oppressive" or "conscious rebel against the evil establishment".
The worst part was when the clones shoot at some padawan who only wants to defend himself, and instead of assisting a clearly innocent youth or even just walking away she protects the brainwashed troops from that kid's amateur lightsaber strikes. FFS.

Seriously, I'm firmly in the "troopers ftw" camp myself and generally prefer normal characters to Force-users, but all Traviss did was turning Mandos into a different kind of Jedi. So now I dislike both. Good job, Karen.
The series had a lot of potential ... but whilst the first book was truly awesome, the second was just mediocre and the third one was bad. I did not even bother to buy the fourth one yet, which is a shame considering how nice it started out.

Whatever happens, I know I'm siding with the Empire. They've got the nicer capital ships, snazzy officer uniforms and good proppa accents for their officers.

I just hope the X-wing game has a TIE Defender model and rules... I love that ship.

Lynata wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Would a Risk or Chaos in the Old World style game set around the Clone Wars work?

I think so! Granted, just "Risk" with SW figures sounds a bit too much like a copy, though I reckon it'd still be fun. I guess instead of a planetary map you could have a galaxy one, with various important sectors to conquer by moving little fleets around...

There IS a Clone Wars era Risk, actually. You fight over planets(the "continents" are Space Sectors) and there's a turn based timer counting down to Order 66(at which point you roll for each Republic Army to see if it converts to a Seperatist army). It's a team based game(2 Seperatists vs 2 Republic). You can buy fleet assets that let you roll D8 instead of D6 and other dice modifications. We didn't think of the implications for Order 66 the first time, so people played slower like they did with regular Risk. You really need to be aggressive and try to take out the Seperatists fast.

I bought it thinking it WAS just Risk with SW figs(and there are rules to play it that way, of course) and opened it up to discover the rules were a bit more complicated than that.

Platuan4th wrote:There IS a Clone Wars era Risk, actually. You fight over planets(the "continents" are Space Sectors) and there's a turn based timer counting down to Order 66(at which point you roll for each Republic Army to see if it converts to a Seperatist army). It's a team based game(2 Seperatists vs 2 Republic). You can buy fleet assets that let you roll D8 instead of D6 and other dice modifications. We didn't think of the implications for Order 66 the first time, so people played slower like they did with regular Risk. You really need to be aggressive and try to take out the Seperatists fast.

I bought it thinking it WAS just Risk with SW figs(and there are rules to play it that way, of course) and opened it up to discover the rules were a bit more complicated than that.

Huh, that sounds pretty cool!

Not sure on the Order 66 rule but I may have to inquire further. Thanks for the hint!

Manchu wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:I absolutely LOVE SWRPG Saga Edition. So wicked.

Me, too, dude. Let me know if you want to get a KotOR-era group together in Richmond.

Ah, sadly - that's the only era I find totally lame. Legacy era, FTW.

And Legacy Era is the only one I hate. What cruel twist of fate is this??


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TBH, I don't know enough about Legacy to hate it. Just never got my attention in the first place.

I own every issue of it as well as repurchasing them as TPBs....


It is epic.

BrookM wrote:Whatever happens, I know I'm siding with the Empire. They've got the nicer capital ships, snazzy officer uniforms and good proppa accents for their officers.

Damn straight. You can keep your Mon Cal cruisers and Neb-B frigates. Give me a good Executor-Class Star Destroyer any day of the week.

To be clear, we're talking about the comics right? Not the Solo kid becoming Darth Whosawhat?

Manchu wrote:And Legacy Era is the only one I hate. What cruel twist of fate is this??


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TBH, I don't know enough about Legacy to hate it. Just never got my attention in the first place.

Which part of the legacy era rubs you the wrong way? I'm not too keen on the novel stuff with Jacen Solo but the comics which take place 130+ years after the original trilogy are my second favorite setting.

Manchu wrote:To be clear, we're talking about the comics right? Not the Solo kid becoming Darth Whosawhat?

Absolutely. Every novel that follows NJO is total and utter crap.

Mainly because they spend every book trying to undo the pure, mainlined awesomesauce that was Vergere.

I'm guessing the expanded universe is one big cluster feth judging from all this non-movie gibberish.

Not really. It just depends on what you like and what you don't like. I haven't read anything post Black Fleet Crisis (so I've not even read the Yuzzon Vong invasion story arc), so I can't really comment on it. I do love the Clone Wars stuff though, but I know some people can't stand it (though a few of those people judge all Clone Wars on that animated movie they put out, which is a silly way to judge an entire series).

Star Wars is a bit like BattleTech in that it is expansive enough that you can pick and choose the bits you like. I like post-Endor SW, Clone Wars and the Old Republic eras. They're the most 'fun' to me, so I can stick with those.

Manchu wrote:To be clear, we're talking about the comics right? Not the Solo kid becoming Darth Whosawhat?

Yeah, Legacy is the Cade Skywalker series timeline. The Jacen Solo trainwreck was still New Jedi Order era.

insaniak wrote:

Manchu wrote:To be clear, we're talking about the comics right? Not the Solo kid becoming Darth Whosawhat?

Yeah, Legacy is the Cade Skywalker series timeline. The Jacen Solo trainwreck was still New Jedi Order era.

Its a bit confusing though as the book are subtitled "legacy of the force" also. Usually when people say the single word they mean the comics while the full phrase is the novels.

BrookM wrote:I'm guessing the expanded universe is one big cluster feth judging from all this non-movie gibberish.

Some of it is a good read. The series from New Jedi Order onwards suffer a little from the fact that they have multiple writers each alternating books in the same series, and they each have a slightly different take on how many of the characters and factions should behave. Luke Skywalker being the biggest and most obvious example... in alternating books, he switches from being the biggest, baddest Jedi since, well, ever, to being indecisive and directionless, just sitting around waiting for the universe to tell him what to do.


There's also (fairly predicatably) a fair share of continuity errors, partly down to a lot of the much older stuff now being obsolete due to the newer movies or novels, and stuff being re-written by the ongoing Clone Wars cartoon. Although they're also making some moves to re-introduce some of the older expanded universe stuff that had previously been of dubious canon-inity, like characters from the old Marvel comics.

^^THIS

...is why I no longer read those books or watch that show.

If your interested in seeing photos of the new X-Wing product check out the posters blog in the link below.

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_foros_discusion.asp?efid=254&efcid=6&efidt=531045

The quality certainly looks better than WOTC Starship Battles and the game mechanic appears more in depth.

Micromachine returns?

The lasers on the X-wings look a little bendy, but otherwise looks good...