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pretre wrote:From the dates on that thread, that was one of the first batch. Isn't it known that the first batch was faulty and since then things have improved? Or are you just trying to get a Finecast hate session going in this SoB thread?

The pic is actually from the SIXTH model the poster picked up (and eventually had to go through 9 over the course of two months from various sources so the problem was NOT limited to the first batch). Locally, I still see problems with finecast (including on an emperor's champion that arrived sometime last week at my FLGS). Either way, it was a simple attempt at humor to cheer up Melissia before she joins the Sisters Repentia. Chill out.

Kaffis wrote:As to the poster who suggested this is patently less useful, I disagree.

That was me My reasoning is that bubble effects are unlikely to reach beyond a 6" radius. If the Command Squad of Celestians the bubble is part of has closed to 6" in order to force that effect on the opponent, then killed 2-3 of their number with rapid-fire bolter shots, then I would rather have something that made the subsequent charge (remember, the Command Squads have the Relentless act of faith) more likely to rout the enemy (such as a Furious Charge bubble, allowing the Celestians to strike at MEQ I and S), rather than something that would make the enemy backpedal 6-8 inches and auto-regroup. But that's personal preference, I guess - I really, really dislike any of my Sisters squads getting within 6" of the enemy, period, unless it's with the intention to bind that enemy in assault in some way.

Cruddace, on the What's New article wrote:I've also painted six Cherub models to use as Faith Point tokens. I can be pretty absent minded during games, and by placing the Cherubs next to my Sisters of Battle units when they use Acts of Faith, it reminds me of any extra bonuses they might have, as well as how many Faith Points I have left for the turn.

Well, that explains everything. Translation: "I have a horrible memory, and can't use a die to keep track of my Faith point total. So I decided to make sure you never have to count high, so I can make counters. Also, I have a hard time remembering what Faith powers I've used, so I made sure each unit only has one power to use, so I can just stick my counter next to the unit and know which power they have used."

Kaffis wrote:

Cruddace, on the What's New article wrote:I've also painted six Cherub models to use as Faith Point tokens. I can be pretty absent minded during games, and by placing the Cherubs next to my Sisters of Battle units when they use Acts of Faith, it reminds me of any extra bonuses they might have, as well as how many Faith Points I have left for the turn.

Well, that explains everything. Translation: "I have a horrible memory, and can't use a die to keep track of my Faith point total. So I decided to make sure you never have to count high, so I can make counters. Also, I have a hard time remembering what Faith powers I've used, so I made sure each unit only has one power to use, so I can just stick my counter next to the unit and know which power they have used."

Heh. Not to mention, "And now you have a use for all those now-unfieldable Inquisitorial Familiars you collected over the years! See? Here at Games Workshop, we think of everything!"

Mythal wrote:

Zefig wrote:So it's looking like Celestians might have access to all the heavies now, right? What about the command squads? They don't have the heavies (or specials for that matter) under HQ, but it would make some sense of them getting relentless.

Celestian Squads always had access to all of the Heavies and Specials. The Command Squads are an open question - both photos of a Command Squad shown in the Codex suggest that special weapons of some sort are allowed, and one includes a heavy, and the photo shown of Cruddace's Command Squad has a special and a heavy, although the heavy in question is a heavy flamer.

Derp, completely forgot about that. Please excuse me on the defense that no one ever takes them.

Or maybe next you'll be trying to tell me that repentia and arco-flagellants have been available this whole time

Anyway, based on the aforementioned relentless I'd HOPE they'd have the same access to heavies, but I could see GW justifying it on the "merits" of relentless bolters alone.

Mythal wrote:

Kaffis wrote:As to the poster who suggested this is patently less useful, I disagree.

That was me My reasoning is that bubble effects are unlikely to reach beyond a 6" radius. If the Command Squad of Celestians the bubble is part of has closed to 6" in order to force that effect on the opponent, then killed 2-3 of their number with rapid-fire bolter shots, then I would rather have something that made the subsequent charge (remember, the Command Squads have the Relentless act of faith) more likely to rout the enemy (such as a Furious Charge bubble, allowing the Celestians to strike at MEQ I and S), rather than something that would make the enemy backpedal 6-8 inches and auto-regroup. But that's personal preference, I guess - I really, really dislike any of my Sisters squads getting within 6" of the enemy, period, unless it's with the intention to bind that enemy in assault in some way.

This is a good point. A simple -1 certainly would be underwhelming. If it told us that the unit takes a penalty to their check equal to the number of models lost, though... that could be something!

Also, I don't think a 12" bubble is unreasonable, since that's the outside edge of our optimal range. Heck, a 9" bubble would cover anything we could reach with a flamer.

It also might not be a bubble at all. It might be "the target of this unit's attacks" or somesuch.

Which could be really nifty, if you found a way to attach a laud hailer to a heavy bolter retributor squad. 36" leadership penalties! Not that I expect that to be an option.

Also, there's nothing to say the laud hailer might not have both a debuff and a buff. Especially if they're not phase-specific.

Finally, the two locations of laud hailers we know about (command squads, which can be relentless, and whichever special character priest has one) are certainly assaulty by nature. So I wouldn't have any qualms about getting within 6" even if they're not assault-related.

Lynata wrote:

Byte wrote:please excuse my ignorance... wheres the codex or whats the plan for release...

Were it not for the apology, I would have taken it for sarcarm.

The 1st part of the Codex is in the August issue of White Dwarf.
2nd part will be in the September issue.
Presumably GW will also put a PDF version of their rules online some time later.

This concludes the release.

Got it, thanks!

Zefig wrote:Derp, completely forgot about that. Please excuse me on the defense that no one ever takes them.

Or maybe next you'll be trying to tell me that repentia and arco-flagellants have been available this whole time

For my sins, I've had a 20-model Repentia Squad for years, just for the fluff factor - but they only ever see the light of day during Apocalypse. Or Planetstrike. Have to say, the look on someone's face when you trigger the Escape Hatch strategem and they find they just dropped 19 hostile chainfists out of their own backside is quite rewarding...

Edit:

Kaffis wrote:This is a good point. A simple -1 certainly would be underwhelming. If it told us that the unit takes a penalty to their check equal to the number of models lost, though... that could be something!

Also, I don't think a 12" bubble is unreasonable, since that's the outside edge of our optimal range. Heck, a 9" bubble would cover anything we could reach with a flamer.

It also might not be a bubble at all. It might be "the target of this unit's attacks" or somesuch.

Which could be really nifty, if you found a way to attach a laud hailer to a heavy bolter retributor squad. 36" leadership penalties! Not that I expect that to be an option.

Also, there's nothing to say the laud hailer might not have both a debuff and a buff. Especially if they're not phase-specific.

Finally, the two locations of laud hailers we know about (command squads, which can be relentless, and whichever special character priest has one) are certainly assaulty by nature. So I wouldn't have any qualms about getting within 6" even if they're not assault-related.

These are all good points. I suppose my main fear is that so far, nothing in this new Codex has had a real 'Wow' factor - which means all I can think of in terms of special effects is "USR Bubble" or "-1 Ld Bubble". Thanks for reminding me that optimism isn't dead

Whoa, whoa. Hold up. I wouldn't claim to be an optimist, by any means. I perfectly expect to get screwed, here.

The laud hailer change is just one I've been wishlisting for years. Seeing it pop up as unit wargear just gives me an opportunity to share.

*sigh*...I hope we keep inferno pistols...

On the bright side, did anyone else notice that Multimeltas and Heavy bolters are now in Troops?

That is a nice bonus (even if it makes us closer to SM)


EDIT: Oh wow...I forgot how expensive Sisters are now (I have an OLD army) ...How do they expect to get people to buy them for these prices?!? Jeepers!

EDIT 2: Just did the math...It would cost $64 for a min Battle Squad without special weapons 17.25 *3 [3 packs of 3 Sisters] + 12.25 [Sister Superior]...Is that a record?

I just noticed they don't offer the 10 girl squad pack anymore.

So they can shaft you into buying them one by one in finecast for double the price, of course

At the current prices how much would an average competitive 2500 point sisters army cost?

I now know my army for winning the second round ard boyz will be.

I wish they still had the Vindicare......

Tomb King wrote:At the current prices how much would an average competitive 2500 point sisters army cost?

I now know my army for winning the second round ard boyz will be.

That depends on points costs.

Keep the following in mind: 17.25 USD for three bolter wielding sisters, no bitz. 12.25 for one squad leader, no bitz. 14.00 for one heavy weapons model, no bitz. 9.90 for one special weapon model, no bitz.

12.25 for one seraphim, no bitz. Same for its squad leader.

35 for one immolator, 57.75 for one exorcist, 35.00 for one Penitent Engine,

15.00 for three repentia, no bitz. 13.25 for one mistress repentia, no bitz.

15.00 for a canoness, no bitz. 17.00 for Kyrinov or Jacobus, no bitz. 20.00 for Celestine, no bitz.

15.00 for two assassins, no bitz, 12.25 for two arco-flagellants, no bitz, 10.00 for one crusader, no bitz, 13.00 for one banner/simulacrum imperialis, no bitz, 9.90 for the horrendously ugly Dialogous, no bitz, 12.25 for the Hospitaller, also with no bitz.


You might notice a "with no bitz" theme here. Because you won't get any extra bitz for your army like you would if it was plastic.

Based on some of the stuff people are suggesting here (which sounds sensible to me) that they may be forming into something like a tactical squad, I just did some quick sums on what that would cost in a transport in Oz:

3* Packs of 3 basic sisters = 3x29
Heavy Bolter Sister = 23
Melta Sister =17
Sister Superior = 21
Rhino = 55

= 203 AUD!

May have to reconsider getting a squad and transport for display :/

Don't worry though, once youve bought 5 lots of 3 sisters, you'll have enough spare to outfit a 6th "tactical squad"

So, cost analysis... assuming equal or lower points costs (I marked off roughly ten percent of the poitns cost of all squads, for simplification purposes). This is roughly estimated for a 2500 point army:

HQ: 380 Pts
Celestine (20 USD)
Canoness (15 USD)
-- 2 Celestians
-- Blessed Banner (13.75 USD)
-- Dialogous (9.90 USD)
-- Hospitaller (12.25 USD))

Elites: 380 Pts
Celestian Squad
-- 7 Celestians
-- Meltagun (9.90 USD)
-- Heavy Flamer (14 USD)
-- Sister Superior w/Eviscerator (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (35 USD)
Celestian Squad
-- 7 Celestians
-- Meltagun (9.90 USD)
-- Heavy Flamer (14 USD)
-- Sister Superior w/Eviscerator (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (35 USD)

Troops: 930 Pts
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (9.90 USD)
-- Heavy Flamer (14 USD)
-- Sister Superior (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (35 USD)
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (9.90 USD)
-- Heavy Flamer (14 USD)
-- Sister Superior (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (35 USD)
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (9.90 USD)
-- Heavy Flamer (14 USD)
-- Sister Superior (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (35 USD)
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (9.90 USD)
-- Heavy Flamer (14 USD)
-- Sister Superior (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (35 USD)
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (9.90 USD)
-- Heavy Flamer (14 USD)
-- Sister Superior (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (35 USD)
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (9.90 USD)
-- Heavy Flamer (14 USD)
-- Sister Superior (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (35 USD)

Fast Attack: 440 Pts
Seraphim Squad (122.5 USD)
-- 7 Seraphim
-- 2 Seraphim w/Hand Flamers
-- 1 Seraphim Superior
Dominion Squad
-- 4 Meltaguns (39.60 USD)
-- Sister Superior w/Combimelta (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator (35 USD)
Dominion Squad
-- 4 Meltaguns (39.60 USD)
-- Sister Superior w/Combimelta (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator (35 USD)

Heavy Support: 360 Pts
Exorcist (57.75 USD)
Exorcist (57.75 USD)
Exorcist (57.75 USD)


58 Bolter Sisters = 20 packs of 3 (for a total of 60), 345 USD.


Total cost not including SnH comes to roughly 1450 USD.

Since they're resissuing the confessor with the plasma gun, I wonder if priests will be allowed to take flamers, meltas and plasma? there were Necro models for all of these.

Sure would be nice to know SOMEONE in the Imperium thought about taking a gun to a gun fight.

Total cost not including SnH comes to roughly 1450 USD.

I was gonna say "on the upside, does this mean we might see plastic Sisters soon?" but then I remembered this is just in preparation for the WD Codex, which is a bummer. Even if I'm not gonna buy 'em, I do want to see plastic Sisters.

For our friends in the UK and across the pond, that's about ~890 GBP, or 1010 EUR, not including GW's natural tendencies to have price discrepancies. I'd hate to try to figure out how much it costs in AUD.

Melissia wrote:For our friends in the UK and across the pond, that's about ~890 GBP, or 1010 EUR, not including GW's natural tendencies to have price discrepancies. I'd hate to try to figure out how much it costs in AUD.

That's easy, just add 70% and you are good to go, so rougly €1700 or £1500

Ooh, ooh, I'll figure it out! ...I must be a masochist.


HQ: 380 Pts
Celestine (33 AUD)
Canoness (22 AUD)
-- 2 Celestians
-- Blessed Banner (22 AUD)
-- Dialogous (17 AUD)
-- Hospitaller 21 AUD)

Elites: 380 Pts
Celestian Squad
-- 7 Celestians
-- Meltagun (17 AUD)
-- Heavy Flamer (23 AUD)
-- Sister Superior w/Eviscerator (21 AUD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (55 AUD)
Celestian Squad
-- 7 Celestians
-- Meltagun (17 AUD)
-- Heavy Flamer (23 AUD)
-- Sister Superior w/Eviscerator (21 AUD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (55 AUD)

Troops: 930 Pts
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (17 AUD)
-- Heavy Flamer (23 AUD)
-- Sister Superior (21 AUD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (55 AUD)
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (17 AUD)
-- Heavy Flamer (23 AUD)
-- Sister Superior (21 AUD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (55 AUD)
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (17 AUD)
-- Heavy Flamer (23 AUD)
-- Sister Superior (21 AUD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (55 AUD)
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (17 AUD)
-- Heavy Flamer (23 AUD)
-- Sister Superior (21 AUD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (55 AUD)
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (17 AUD)
-- Heavy Flamer (23 AUD)
-- Sister Superior (21 AUD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (55 AUD)
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (17 AUD)
-- Heavy Flamer (23 AUD)
-- Sister Superior (21 AUD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (55 AUD)

Fast Attack: 440 Pts
Seraphim Squad (214 AUD)
-- 7 Seraphim
-- 2 Seraphim w/Hand Flamers
-- 1 Seraphim Superior
Dominion Squad
-- 4 Meltaguns (68 AUD)
-- Sister Superior w/Combimelta (21 AUD)
-- Immolator (55 AUD)
Dominion Squad
-- 4 Meltaguns (68 AUD)
-- Sister Superior w/Combimelta (21 AUD)
-- Immolator (55 AUD)

Heavy Support: 360 Pts
Exorcist (100 AUD)
Exorcist (100 AUD)
Exorcist (100 AUD)


58 Bolter Sisters = 20 packs of 3 (for a total of 60), 580 AUD.


total: $2425 AUD.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha oh god just had a stroke BRB


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For those playing at home, that's 1816 Euro, 1538 GBP, 2606 USD, or 908,447 Zimbabwe Dollars (at the moment, anyway).

RatBot wrote:total: $2425 AUD.

Which is about 2.500 USD.

Heresy?

That +70% was surprisingly accurate.

Zimbabwe abolished their currency two years ago, hehe. It's now used for toilet paper.

Melissia wrote:Zimbabwe abolished their currency two years ago, hehe. It's now used for toilet paper.

Yeah, I think that 900 grand is with the last form they used. I think with the original form we'd be talking quadrillions of dollars. That's xxx,000,000,000,000,000.

But the point stands that a Sisters army in Australia would cost something like 2500 bucks, which is insane. Even in the EU, UK, and US, I can't foresee many people starting SoB armies with the White Dwarf Codex. It's clearly meant for people who already have Sisters armies.

£10.75 for 3 Battle Sisters?! 3?! To get a basic squad you would have to spend over £30... Thankfully I don't play SoB, though the new update looks decent.

Huzzah! Sisters of Battle remains to be the most expensive army out there! Yet another hurdle, deterring sales and popularity. GW will probably invest less time and effort after seeing sales for Sisters plunge any further. Sisters of Battle demise all points to GW's inability to give them the proper treatment they deserve. Good job GW, the way you do business ceases to amaze me.

- release new rules as a magazine minidex
- make rules suitably crappy
- turn army into a horde, forcing people to buy more miniatures
- raise price on miniatures to preposterous levels

It almost looks like a plan. I can't believe why they would just add to the pile. :(

It's the same logic that was presumably behind combining the switch to cheaper finecast with the annual price increase, making people forget about the latter and just see cheaper production cost for higher prices.

Seriously, shouldn't they have .. like .. people who notice such things?

There are people who notice these things, but they are quickly silenced by a shadowy man who breaks into their home and cuts their internet cable...

On the upside, Finecast means that efficient sprue placement etc has already been worked out for those who think casting your own is fine once you've paid a respectable amount to the company (say $500 for 2500 points). It's also convenient that telling home resin from GW models will be harder for tournament organizers etc.

Not that I'm advocating casting your own in the face of recent terrible pricing decisions on GW's part. Just sayin'.