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I just paid I am in! Deamons with only -10 to comp score for the changeling, had a few test matches and won them all I am feeling good about this!

Good job at failing at Softball knowledge let google help you...

Hey, thanks for miss quoting me as I'm NOT talking about Softball. I'm talking about MLB.

•Pitching area: Youth baseball programs, particularly at the advanced levels, feature a pitching mound that the pitcher throws from (the younger levels may call for hitters to hit off a tee or from a ball pitched from their coach). That isn't the case in softball — at any level. The pitcher delivers balls on level ground with the batter. The other major pitching difference is that softball pitchers deliver the ball in an underhand motion; baseball pitchers can throw overhand or even sidearm if they choose.
•Distance from the pitcher's area to home plate: The game of fast-pitch softball puts a greater emphasis on pitching, because the pitcher throws from a distance much closer to home plate than in baseball. At the beginning levels of youth softball, pitchers generally deliver pitches about 35 feet from home plate. At the higher levels of play, pitchers throw balls from 40 feet.

It is the same game as the fundamental rules are the same. A ball is used, a bat is used, the object of the game is the same. Hell even the positions are the same (except for slow pitch which will occasionally have one more outfielder). Softball is essentially a derivative off the core game of baseball...but both games are played in the same manner. The same can be said for 40k tournaments with slightly different variations to their rules packet. The fundamental rules (how the game is played, won or lost) IS THE SAME. Which is why I said that a better comparison would be playing at different ballparks and all the quirks that occur with that...or how AL and NL have the subtle difference of a DH hitting vs. a Pitcher hitting. Same game, but certain conditions change. Differences in tournaments would be the same thing.

So now your precious baseball constants don't apply to Softball hence why it is a different game. The DaBoyzGT is enough change to the rules of the game to not be 40k 5th edition but DaboyzGT 40k simple as that. The same way I would call Novaopen Nova40k for the rubric they use. To avoid or not acknowledge the differences doesn't do any player any favors.

:face palm: LOLz...whatever...

I will also be attending with a brand new GK army I am building specifically for this event. You can follow the progress on my blog here:

http://synaps3.blogspot.com/p/grek-knights-daboyz-gt-project-army.html

Don't forget the best general at this event qualifies for a spot on the American ETC team for 2012!

http://teamamerica40k.com/?page_id=6

I know this qualifying spot is controvercial just as the comp subject can be. It is a strong belief of some of DaBoyz founders that playing with diverse army selections make you a stronger player. They backed up this philosophy by getting two members onto our 3rd place ETC team this year. A member of our ATC team also took best general out of 70 players with an Eldar list where the only duplicated unit selection was guardians.

This is a great event for trying out new units or dusting off old ones. We also boast some of the best terrain at a large event and our builders work for months to provide new and exciting tables every year. Some of last year's terrain can be found here:

http://s1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa407/ccourtney35/Daboyz%20GT%20Tables%20and%20Terrain/#!cpZZ2QQtppZZ20

Hope to see y'all there! Introduce yourself to me if you recognize my army!

Now see your making me want too post my GK's I am doing just for DABOYZ!!!

tastytaste wrote:If you play baseball and all of sudden use a larger ball and change the field size doesn't a game cease being Baseball and become Softball? They are two different games. If someone wants to call the BoyzGT not 40k they have every right to and not be branded hyperbolic.

Yeah, I skipped a couple of pages. BUT ANYWAY...

I assume everyone who says that playing with comp 'isn't 40k' would also apply this label to any tournament which uses missions that aren't in either the main rulebook or the Battle Missions book.

Since making up your own missions is EXACTLY THE SAME as introducing a comp score (i.e. changing the goalposts for winning YOUR tournament from the ones laid out in the rules) I'd assume you'd all be just as critical of it?

Personally, I think the tournament sounds interesting. It will certainly add variety, and I'd find it fun to build a different list to what I usually take. If i lived on the right continent, I'd try and attend.

I wanted to update you on the 2011 DaBoyz GT.
Tickets are selling fast, but there are still more available.

Here is a list of our Sponsors:
TABLEWAR
Gale Force Nine
Battle Foam
Battle Ready Miniatures
Amazing Magnets
The Broken Forge
Miniature Painting Authority
Pair-A-Dice Games
Millennium Games
Boldo’s Armory
Woodland Scenics
Hot Wire Foam Factory
Warmill Gaming Accessories
Spikey Bits
Allstate
More to come!

A Swag Bag will be given out to everyone that plays in the event.
The Swag Bag itself is being donated by TABLEWAR. This is what you will find in the Swag Bag:
Collectable 2011 DaBoyz GT beer Glass with one beer/drink ticket on us
Custom DaBoyz GT “Ork” dice
Custom DaBoyz GT 2011 resin objective markers
Custom bases by Battle Ready Miniatures
TABLEWAR Display trays
Rare Earth Magnets

We also plan on doing Raffle, so every time someone loses a game they get a raffle ticket. One of the main prizes for the raffle is 1300+ point Space Wolf army painted by Miniature Painting Authority.

Go to our website to find out more information. www.daboyzgt.com

Just Under 30 Days Remain Until The Big Event! =

Tickets are going fast, but we still have tickets available for the 40k Team, Warhammer 40k, and Warhammer Fantasy events.

Buy your tickets here: www.daboyzgt.com

Here is the critical information:

DaBoyz GT 2011
The 2011 DaBoyz GT features a two-day, 6 games, 120-player Warhammer 40,000 Grand Tournament. This will take place on Saturday and Sunday. There will also be a Warhammer Fantasy Independent Tournament. Both tournaments are part of the National Tournament and will be given invites from Games Workshop for the Nationals in 2012. The National tournament will be held at the end of the Indy GT season. Also, the 40K DaBoyz GT is a qualifying event to become a member of team America for the European Team Championships. The top Battle Point Finisher wins a spot on the team. Furthermore, each participant’s score will be applied toward their “wild card” spot calculation.

A list of our Sponsors
TABLEWAR
Gale Force Nine
Battle Foam
Battle Ready Miniatures
Amazing Magnets
The Broken Forge
Miniature Painting Authority
Pair-A-Dice Games!
Millennium Games
Boldo’s Armory
Woodland Scenics
Hot Wire Foam Factory
Warmill Gaming Accessories
Spikey Bits
Allstate
More to come!

A Swag Bag will be given out to everyone that plays in the event!
This is what is located in the swag bag. The bag itself is being donated by TABLEWAR.

Collectable 2011 DaBoyz GT beer Glass with one beer/drink ticket on us
Custom DaBoyz GT “Ork” dice
Custom DaBoyz GT 2011 resin objective markers
Custom bases by Battle Ready Miniatures
TABLEWAR Display trays
Rare Earth Magnets

We also plan on doing a Raffle, so every time someone loses a game they get a raffle tickets. One of the main prizes for the raffle is 1300+ point space wolf army painted by Miniature Painting Authority.
Go to our website to find out more information. www.daboyzgt.com

We've just posted out our sample packs for the swag bag plus a couple of battlesnap kits for prizes. Hope you like!

I'm just about ready for this tourney. Finished painting my last model yesterday evening, just gotta do a little decal work, print out my list and done!

I'm looking forward to this one and having some yeulings!

We got over 90 people signed up for the 40k Event!

I wish you guys had exclusions to the comp bracket...I think that I should be awarded max composition for fielding Necrons at all at a GT, but mine don't qualify to play. :(

Jay_Daboyz wrote:We got over 90 people signed up for the 40k Event!

You have 8 just from my group alone!

still trying to get the weekend off so my son and i can attend. Jay tix still left ?

question on the comp.

does the trygon and trygon prime count as the same heavy?

btw wish this tournament the best

Oops.

thehod wrote:question on the comp.

does the trygon and trygon prime count as the same heavy?

btw wish this tournament the best

Yes, its the same thing regardless of options

Let me start by saying I have nothing against comp events.

That being said, I dislike the fact that all six painted armies that I could use for this event are illegal due to this specific comp setup. Codexes with only 1 Troop choice are penalized for taking 5+ of them? Even at half points, that's a little absurd.

And I'm talking about powerhouses like No-Termi BT and Rough Rider IG.

Good luck at any rate.

zedsdead wrote:still trying to get the weekend off so my son and i can attend. Jay tix still left ?

We still some tickets left. I hope you can come.

lol 205-80= I wouldnt be able to play if i tried. Ouch Comp!

culsandar wrote:Let me start by saying I have nothing against comp events.

That being said, I dislike the fact that all six painted armies that I could use for this event are illegal due to this specific comp setup. Codexes with only 1 Troop choice are penalized for taking 5+ of them? Even at half points, that's a little absurd.

And I'm talking about powerhouses like No-Termi BT and Rough Rider IG.

Good luck at any rate.

I think your post brings up a common misconception about comp, especially with this event. At least how we're doing comp here, it's less about restricting power house biulds and more about increasing variety within army lists. Like you said, No-Termi or Rough Rider IG would get hit quite a bit. So would mono-legion Chaos, but it's not about restricting power level.

I like to think of it as another test of generalship. I see it as another way to modify one of the basic parameters of the game to see how well you choose your army and how well that army does. It's akin to creating your own missions. You have to biuld your army to fufil the goals of the missions (testing your list biulding ability), and then you need to actually do it on the tabletop (testing your generalship during the game). We take it a step further by restricting the number of units you can spam.

If you look at the top tables at many events around the country, you'll see a lot of spam (which is perfectly fine). How can we push the comfort level of competitive players, making them take different lists than what exists in the current meta, and test their generalship ability? Our answer is this comp system.

Also, six armies and you can't build a list that scores 30 with any one of them? Seriously? I have Chaos, and a steaming pile of crap would be better than anything in the FA section, but I still could field a 30 point army with what I have.

Warmaster Primus wrote:
I think your post brings up a common misconception about comp, especially with this event. At least how we're doing comp here, it's less about restricting power house biulds and more about increasing variety within army lists. Like you said, No-Termi or Rough Rider IG would get hit quite a bit. So would mono-legion Chaos, but it's not about restricting power level.

But how do you justify penalizing someone for not having variety in their troop choices, even if they are only allowed one type? Chaos book has how many types of troops choices in it? Mono-legion is a choice you make at army selection. Necrons or Templars on the other hand...

I like to think of it as another test of generalship. I see it as another way to modify one of the basic parameters of the game to see how well you choose your army and how well that army does. It's akin to creating your own missions. You have to biuld your army to fufil the goals of the missions (testing your list biulding ability), and then you need to actually do it on the tabletop (testing your generalship during the game). We take it a step further by restricting the number of units you can spam.

I agree with this, and this is why I don't have a problem in general with comp. I like the additional test of generalship, much in the way I enjoyed the matchmaking aspect of the ATC. Having played fantasy for some time, I'm very familiar about the conception of comp.

If you look at the top tables at many events around the country, you'll see a lot of spam (which is perfectly fine). How can we push the comfort level of competitive players, making them take different lists than what exists in the current meta, and test their generalship ability? Our answer is this comp system.

You can achieve the same affect by disallowing x,y, and z. Don't want people to spam there FA full of vendettas? Make a hard rule that they can't unless they fill x amount of other force org slots.

Also, six armies and you can't build a list that scores 30 with any one of them? Seriously? I have Chaos, and a steaming pile of crap would be better than anything in the FA section, but I still could field a 30 point army with what I have.

Which is why I specified painted armies. I have only painted the models I use in lists, I don't have one of everything.

For example:

My Templar list takes a 20 point hit for having 6 troop choices (because there's only 1 in the book) even though it's two rhino squads, two razor squads with a melta, and two las/plas squads. Those 4 transports net me another -20. I'm 10 away from illegal on troops alone. Forget the speeders or vindis.

For IG, I'm down 40 points from the matrix alone. Two units of Rough Riders and a squad of Scout Sentinels uses up my alloted fast attack, but since I only have 1 HQ (CCS), 1 Elite (Marbo), 2 troops, and no heavies I take a 80% hit of my alloted leeway. Then after being penalized for not having enough troops, I take a hit for having too many, as both of those troops have multiple infantry platoons and heavy weapons teams. I stopped adding it up when I hit negatives.

My main problem with these formulas is how penalizing your troop selections are. In both of these instances if I ignored the troop penalties my lists would be fine. For the game that is 5th edition in which scoring units (who for most codexes are the troop selections) are so important to success in missions, to limit them seems counterintuitive. By gaming this comp system I could easily make an army with some books with the intent of tabling everyone I fought, but instead of the comp system stopping that it stops me from making balanced lists designed to win by objectives.

This could be mitigated somewhat with missions, saying any infantry units could score, etc. But I've never seen a fantasy comp event that limited your score on taking core selections. I can think of a few books that could game this system, and have lists in mind for most of them. I will be very interested in watching the results of this tournament and how often those same lists are used.

I'll see you all in Chicago next April, at any rate.

I'm really looking forward to Daboyz GT this year. Thats why I'm going to the effort of not only Playing in it, but Bringing not one, but TWO tables to the event. One of them I began building specifically to bring this year.

New table link
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391231.page

Old table link
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/390889.page#3209904

Don't forget the "ETC-style" team event on Friday this year which is a new addition to the event.

http://www.daboyzgt.com/40KTeamEvent.aspx

There are already 11 teams (4 players each) registered and it would be awesome to get 12 or more. If you're coming alone or in a small group, you can try to find more players for a team here:

http://daboyzateam.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=daboyzgt&action=display&thread=3141

Hope to see y'all next week!

I've got a 3 man team so far, if anyone wants to be a fourth let me know

Horst I just shot you a PM.

Galorn wrote:I'm really looking forward to Daboyz GT this year. Thats why I'm going to the effort of not only Playing in it, but Bringing not one, but TWO tables to the event. One of them I began building specifically to bring this year.

New table link
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391231.page

Old table link
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/390889.page#3209904

They are looking good! Unlike most events we give out prizes for the best table. Just like we give out prizes for best painted. One of the prizes for the "best table" will be the Gatehouse and and the Tower and corner set donated by WARMILL

Only thing I don't like about this comp system is the restriction on named / special characters. Any Tau player with the stones to bring Aun'Va should be rewarded, dammit!

NeutronPoison wrote:Only thing I don't like about this comp system is the restriction on named / special characters. Any Tau player with the stones to bring Aun'Va should be rewarded, dammit!

true, but anyone who takes mephiston should be clubbed in the head with the rulebook...

and making a list of special characters that aren't allowed would just cause more problems than its worth.

You get debate either way. A targeted banned/penalty list aiming at the specific awesome/overused characters wouldn't be a bad thing. People do that in WHFB a lot.

Hey Mannahnin you making it out to Da Boyz this year?