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-Loki- wrote: Also, it's as much an add on for Fantasy as Space Hulk was for 40k. Like, it's not an add on.

There's no need to make stuff up to justify not buying something.

Except the models in Space Hulk can be inserted directly into your SM/BA/SW/BT/DA/Tyranid armies after you tire of the scenarios in the game. The modular card in SH can easily be used in sci-fi skirmish level games such as Infinity.

vent wrote:The pre-order cost for Dreadfleet in the United Kingdom is £70 GBP. This converts to 133.34 NZD.

The pre-order cost for Dreadfleet in the USA is $115 USD. This converts to $138.75 NZD.

The pre-order cost for Dreadfleet in New Zealand is $220 NZD. This converts to £155.45 GBP.

Canada doesn't get the short end of the stick the same way that Australia and New Zealand do, but there's also a bit of hate for us Canucks.

£70 GBP -> $108 CAD

$115 USD -> $112 USD

$135 CAD -> £87

It sucks, but at least I'm not Australian!

No, I'm not wasting my money.

$11 on Amazon.

Buying it.

I like pirates. I don't care if that ship has sailed. I like pirates. Sept 19th, International Talk Like a Pirate day. Arrr.

It's a big board game. I might buy one of those every few years. Last one was...Space Hulk. I can afford another now.

It allows you to play with 2 people, or 3, or 4, or 10. I like that. Nice for parties, when you're not sure how many people will show up, or if people will show up late or leave early.

Standalone games are nice. I have no problem with proper wargames, but sometimes, it's nice to not have to cart an army around. Plus, people who don't play 40k/Fantasy can still join in.

I like the models. I know Malifaux is supposed to be good. I have a friend who demos it weekly. I just don't want to own any of the models. I want to own these. I love the Ironclad and the Black Kraken.

I just wish they gave you a estimate on how long a single game takes to play. That's a pretty useful piece of information a lot of board game makers put on the box.

puma713 wrote:


$11 on Amazon.

Thats funny. I dont care who you are.

I just ordered 2.

inquisitorlewis wrote:

puma713 wrote:


$11 on Amazon.

Thats funny. I dont care who you are.

I just ordered 2.

You really don't need two sets of Battleship, 4 person play is awkward and tedious at best.

Da Butcha wrote:

I just wish they gave you a estimate on how long a single game takes to play. That's a pretty useful piece of information a lot of board game makers put on the box.

I wish they had that too, or at least a walk through of the gameplay, so I can judge its complexity and duration.

Why dont they just start BFG again?

Jackster wrote:Why dont they just start BFG again?

Because its games workshop

Jackster wrote:Why dont they just start BFG again?

Because they wanted to do something for Fantasy, and not 40k?

Because they wanted to do something new rather than something that still exists and many people still have their models for?

BFG is fun and all, I know. But risks aren't necessarily bad.

Not buying. It's a once-off of an already established game with models and background.

If it expanded Man-o-war, and had the opportunity for more models, races etc, I would probably buy it. However, because it's a once off limited edition. It just bites.

I welcome GW making more boxed games as I believe that is part of what made them a successful company in the 80s and 90s, which they seem to have lost.

Currently 18% say they will definitely buy it. That's pretty good, I think.

I'll be buying it - based on the models and playing mat alone.

I am sure unofficial rules will come out fairly sharpish for Uncharted Seas stats and for new ships for Dreadfleet based in Man o War and Uncharted ships........

Not interested at all.

I pre-ordered because:

1. I like WH Fantasy
2. The components (not just the ships) look top notch
3. The Map is 5' x 3.5' and the ships are ~100mm...it will look epic on the table!
4. The ships could make excellent scenery for WHFB
5. I ended up paying way over retail for Space Hulk by being slow on the $$ trigger
6. If I change my mind I am sure I will be able to recoup the investment if not a bit of profit

I don't care about expansions or "running out of scenarios". It is a dice/card based boardgame...line up your navy...the other guys will do the same and fight! If I get 10+ plays out of it I will be happy. If it is great enough to warrant more plays than that then I am sure the community will step up and keep it fresh.

For those of you that were really hoping for this announcement to be something else I am truely sorry...I hate disappointment.

I am mainly disapointed at the price, I mean 190 aussie bucks. Too much for me.

NO. for a number of reasons.
As it is currently rumored to be... without expansion. why would i spend 115$ on something with limited playability. There are literally thousands of good board games out there for half the price that offer a different gaming experience each time you play. Its way to much money for a board game. If i want to play a minis game its going to be one that has flexibility and expandability. If 40k was just two sides, chaos and the imperium that would get pretty boring. If you could only play a couple scenarios, and each time the armies were the same, pretty boring. and if you had to buy the afformentioned game without being able to see it and play it, then you would have to be either rich or crazy to throw away money like that.
Im gonna stick to games like Uncharted seas. at least for 115$ i can buy twenty ships and the rules. I have lots of room to expand and there is always the possiblility to take a flotilla different from the one that the scenario dictates. This game is a deffinite NO for me. cheers.

Kilkrazy wrote:I welcome GW making more boxed games as I believe that is part of what made them a successful company in the 80s and 90s, which they seem to have lost.

I would love for GW to make more boxed games as well. But not for $115. Make them for $60 and I'd probably buy each and every one of them for no other reason than that I enjoy the background for both WHF and 40k, but I don't feel that the price they are asking is what I feel comfortable paying for a boxed game. I'd pay $115 as an entry point to a naval skirmish game set in the WHF world, that I could build a fleet for a specific race and expand upon it (Man 'O War?) but I don't see the value for a game that I'll probably play each scenario one time and then set it aside, or end up selling on ebay a year later.

I have just got into uncharted seas, usually I like a one off, stand alone game such as this. I was looking forward to it but must admit that although the product appears to be good quality I am not loving the mix of races. It looks disjointed and all a bit tacky personally, I would imagine its fun enough a few times but no real reason to keep coming back to it regularly

Pirates of the Spanish Main was a great idea and for the most part a great game. Unfortunately it was made by WizKids who could care even less about game balance and fair play than GW. It, like the company that created it, eventually disappeared. It'd be nice if once in a great while GW could make a game where beating the snot out of your opponent wasn't the only purpose of playing.

augustus5 wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:I welcome GW making more boxed games as I believe that is part of what made them a successful company in the 80s and 90s, which they seem to have lost.

I would love for GW to make more boxed games as well. But not for $115. Make them for $60 and I'd probably buy each and every one of them for no other reason than that I enjoy the background for both WHF and 40k, but I don't feel that the price they are asking is what I feel comfortable paying for a boxed game. I'd pay $115 as an entry point to a naval skirmish game set in the WHF world, that I could build a fleet for a specific race and expand upon it (Man 'O War?) but I don't see the value for a game that I'll probably play each scenario one time and then set it aside, or end up selling on ebay a year later.

TBH I don't know what is in Dread Fleet -- I imagine a selection of ship models, a rulebook, some islands and a scenario book.

The overall VFM depends on the quantity and quality of the contents, and personal taste.

If the scenarios are play once only, more can be designed and released, even by players, so that doesn't seem a serious drawback.

Judging by games such as Twilight Imperium III or Ikusa (Shogun), the market price for this kind of game is about £60 to £80 in the UK (includes 20% tax). For that money you expect a good lot of content. There are enough models in Twilight Imperium to take and use for other tabletop space war rules if you wanted.

Specialist wargames are usually around £40 to £60 -- I have recently bought Nightfighter by GMT. That's because they are small production runs. You have to accept the price if you are an enthusiast.

Of course there is also a place for less elaborate games at the £20 to £40 price range. Most "Euro" type board games fall into this category, because they are relatively mass market and have fairly simple components.

I don't think games like that fit the current GW business model, however they used to do well from titles such as Judge Dredd and Talisman.

Funny you should mention Battleship, because Dreadfleet reminds me a lot of this: http://www.wizards.com/wpn/Sales/Article.aspx?x=battleship_galaxies_news

>> 2 Gameboards
>> 20 Plastic ships with bases and stands
>> 24 Ship cards
>> 2 Screens with side supports
>> 2 Coordinate dice
>> 35 Blue pegs
>> 40 Red pegs
>> 2 Energy boards and markers
>> 72 Tactic cards
>> 8 Obstacle tiles
>> 8 Discovery tiles
>> Victory Point tile
>> Rules
>> 2 Quick-reference cards
>> 48 page Graphic Novel

Comes with a gak-ton of cards, two gameboards, and twice as many ships as the Dreadfleet box, which in my opinion are pretty reasonably-detailed judging from what I've seen of them. Maybe they aren't quite as good as the Dreadfleet ships, and maybe the rules won't have the same level of tactical complexity (being Battleship and all), but it's still a comparable amount of stuff, and at full price still comes in considerably cheaper than Dreadfleet at about $70.

Oh yeah, this one also comes with the novel, which GW charges you $8 for.

As already said, its not worth it as a standalone game without expansion.
Moreover, I wouldn't count on falling prizes as its limited.

wuestenfux wrote:As already said, its not worth it as a standalone game without expansion.
Moreover, I wouldn't count on falling prizes as its limited.

When I see "not worth it" and then "Don't count on falling prices" I always thing back to those supply demand curves from basic economics. If it was truly not worth it you COULD count on falling prices. Obviously it IS worth it if they sell out at a specific price point. Maybe not to you, but surely for GW and their shareholders as well as to the customers that buy it at that price point.

Yeah, I could see GW maybe lowering the price in desperation if they can't sell stock, but I have a feeling that won't happen since everyone is obviously going to buy every last box so they can put them up on eBay and sell them for a profit.

I fething hate eBay scalpers so much. I'm gonna do GW a favor here and strongly suggest that if you have any interest in this game at all that you buy it as quickly as possible, because I'd hate for anyone to have to resort to buying one on eBay and being ripped off even more than they would if they paid the retail price.

The fact that Ebay scalpers can charge more is an indicator that GW may have set the price point too low for the amount of product they decided to produce. And since some people are willing to pay the Ebay scalpers' prices, as the overall supply available decreases, it is an indicator that for those customers the higher price point is still worth it.

Again 'Not Worth It' has meaning to the individiual that may be different from the meaning to GW and the market for this product.

I simply cannot afford it at Australia prices.

I bought Space Hulk and loved it.

I have BFG (but haven't played in years)

I'm still sourcing my GW product from overseas at >40% off GWOZ retail, but this game is just so 'out there' on my gaming needs I cannot justify it even on a cheaper price.

So time and money (or a lack thereof) combine for me to reject a purchase.

No. Looks incredibly boring. I wish it was something for their core games.

CptJake wrote:The fact that Ebay scalpers can charge more is an indicator that GW may have set the price point too low for the amount of product they decided to produce. And since some people are willing to pay the Ebay scalpers' prices, as the overall supply available decreases, it is an indicator that for those customers the higher price point is still worth it.

Again 'Not Worth It' has meaning to the individiual that may be different from the meaning to GW and the market for this product.

I think it is more the case that GW make so few copies that Y amount of ebay scalpers are able to buy up X number of copies, meaning you have YX number of copies sitting out of regular circulation so people who actually want a copy can't get one and have to buy at the inflated price if they want to be able to play the game.

But that is for games which have large and strong followings such as SH. It remains to be seen whether DF will command the same kind of ebay prices and demand.