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No, you're just intentionally misreading what I posted because you are trying to get a rise out of me.
except of course, its what you actually posted.
Reminds me of the Tea Party, except they're left-wing instead of right, and instead of protesting economic summits they bombed abortion clinics.
Ah right, so you're just taking things out of context.
Let's look at what was being responded to so you can perhaps finally get a grasp on waht was actually said, shall we Frazzled?
Melissia wrote:
Frazzled wrote:You're acting like this crew is new though. they aren't - same bunch of wackjobs who pop up protesting economic summits and such for the last 20 years.
Reminds me of the Tea Party, except they're left-wing instead of right, and instead of protesting economic summits they bombed abortion clinics.
And then, to elucidate on my statement:
I never said the Tea Party did such. Only that the type of person whom locally is interested in the tea party comes from the same like minded group of people whom would bomb abortion clinics or murder their employees.
Does that help?
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
No, you're just intentionally misreading what I posted because you are trying to get a rise out of me.
except of course, its what you actually posted.
Reminds me of the Tea Party, except they're left-wing instead of right, and instead of protesting economic summits they bombed abortion clinics.
Ah right, so you're just taking things out of context.
Let's look at what was being responded to so you can perhaps finally get a grasp on waht was actually said, shall we Frazzled?
Melissia wrote:
Frazzled wrote:You're acting like this crew is new though. they aren't - same bunch of wackjobs who pop up protesting economic summits and such for the last 20 years.
Reminds me of the Tea Party, except they're left-wing instead of right, and instead of protesting economic summits they bombed abortion clinics.
Does that help?
Apologize for misspeaking and move on. You're not in a defensible position here.
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No, you're just intentionally misreading what I posted because you are trying to get a rise out of me.
except of course, its what you actually posted.
Reminds me of the Tea Party, except they're left-wing instead of right, and instead of protesting economic summits they bombed abortion clinics.
Ah right, so you're just taking things out of context.
Let's look at what was being responded to so you can perhaps finally get a grasp on waht was actually said, shall we Frazzled?
Melissia wrote:
Frazzled wrote:You're acting like this crew is new though. they aren't - same bunch of wackjobs who pop up protesting economic summits and such for the last 20 years.
Reminds me of the Tea Party, except they're left-wing instead of right, and instead of protesting economic summits they bombed abortion clinics.
Do I have to spell it out for you, or are you going to continue being dense?
I guess I'll have to keep being dense (situation normal), because when one says "they bombed abortion clinics" and the noun in the sentence is "the Tea Party," then I just naturally assume you're talking about the Tea Party and not President Obama or whoever you were actually treferring to, but didn't actually put into the sentence.
I am prepared to move however if you can pull up a pic of a crackpot in a revolutionary outfit . I always love those particular nuts, but get blocked at work.
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Frazzled wrote:I guess I'll have to keep being dense (situation normal), because when one says "they bombed abortion clinics" and the noun in the sentence is "the Tea Party," then I just naturally assume you're talking about the Tea Party and not President Obama or whoever you were actually treferring to, but didn't actually put into the sentence.
Come on Frazzled, you're smarter than this.
You stated that "these are the same people that have always been protesting left-wing issues" (to paraphrase).
I stated pretty much the same about the Tea Party. Of course if you think I'm insinuating that there's no left wing terrorists, that'd certainly be a wrong assumption (I think PETA is pretty damned nutty, myself-- animals are too tasty not to eat). But many of the same people who joined the tea party movements were the exact same ones who did ultraconservative protests around the nation.
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Frazzled wrote:I guess I'll have to keep being dense (situation normal), because when one says "they bombed abortion clinics" and the noun in the sentence is "the Tea Party," then I just naturally assume you're talking about the Tea Party and not President Obama or whoever you were actually treferring to, but didn't actually put into the sentence.
Come on Frazzled, you're smarter than this.
You stated that "these are the same people that have always been protesting left-wing issues" (to paraphrase).
I stated pretty much the same about the Tea Party. Of course if you think I'm insinuating that there's no left wing terrorists, that'd certainly be a wrong assumption. but many of the same people who joined the tea party movements were the exact same ones who did ultraconservative protests around the nation.
i wasn't insinuating the lefties were terrorists or killers. You went there. I was just insinuating a lack of hygiene. But as noted, I'll let it go (I just realized even if you post a funny looking revolutionary tea partier I'd still be blocked from seeing it).
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It's okay, the only tea party pictuers I'd have on my computer would probably be a cat in a top hat saying "I say there" while looking at tea and biscuits.
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biccat wrote:I'm not "strawman[nig you] with pie charts." It's a table.
According to some posters, using charts is a strawman and citing sources is an appeal to authority.
That's some quality debating right there.
Its a strawman because he argued against a false point that I never presented. Not because he used a graph. When you read a third of a post and reply with two sentences you tend to avoid presenting quality yourself.
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ShumaGorath wrote:Its a strawman because he argued against a false point that I never presented. Not because he used a graph. When you read a third of a post and reply with two sentences you tend to avoid presenting quality yourself.
What argument did I argue against that you never presented?
I used the information as supporting of my argument that people who work minimum wage jobs tend to get out of them quickly. The remaining comments were because I thought that the chart included some interesting data.
ShumaGorath wrote:Its a strawman because he argued against a false point that I never presented. Not because he used a graph. When you read a third of a post and reply with two sentences you tend to avoid presenting quality yourself.
What argument did I argue against that you never presented?
I used the information as supporting of my argument that people who work minimum wage jobs tend to get out of them quickly. The remaining comments were because I thought that the chart included some interesting data.
I never disagreed that they left them quickly and the chart was in reference to nothing that I had stated and addressed nothing I had intended to state. My points were that A. the economic opportunity of the average America has decreased steadily and noticeably in the last 40 years with no administration doing much to curb it and B. that minimum wage fast food jobs provide no upward mobility and that the concept of moving up in the company is a lie when you can't support yourself on the basic level of pay and there is an incredibly finite number of advancement positions which are hotly contested.
You came in implying that the bush years were better then the obama years and that I thought people lived in their fast food jobs. I worked two of them. I didn't stay long.
as an aside The fast food jobs were the worst job experiences of my life and I've had a lot of jobs. They made me less healthy, less happy, stupider, and I got little for the immense effort it took to accomplish the tasks set before me. Fast food is constant work of the lowest order for virtually no gain and it's an awful mechanism for training a new work force or helping the jobless. It's damaging.
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ShumaGorath wrote:I never disagreed that they left them quickly and the chart was in reference to nothing that I had stated and addressed nothing I had intended to state. My points were that A. the economic opportunity of the average America has decreased steadily and noticeably in the last 40 years with no administration doing much to curb it
Which is blatently false.
ShumaGorath wrote:B. that minimum wage fast food jobs provide no upward mobility and that the concept of moving up in the company is a lie when you can't support yourself on the basic level of pay and there is an incredibly finite number of advancement positions which are hotly contested.
Is Kronk lying about his wife's accomplishment?
ShumaGorath wrote:You came in implying that the bush years were better then the obama years and that I thought people lived in their fast food jobs. I worked two of them. I didn't stay long.
I didn't say anything about the Obama years. At least, I don't think so...if I did then my bad, I meant Clinton, the president during the '90s (will go back and check). However, it's also true that the Bush years were better than the Obama years (so far) simply because of the current economic straits we're in.
ShumaGorath wrote:The fast food jobs were the worst job experiences of my life and I've had a lot of jobs. They made me less healthy, less happy, stupider, and I got little for the immense effort it took to accomplish the tasks set before me. Fast food is constant work of the lowest order for virtually no gain and it's an awful mechanism for training a new work force or helping the jobless. It's damaging.
I never worked at a fast food restaurant. But I did work minimum wage doing construction work. I'm not sure how the two would compare. But it made me realize that I didn't want to work in construction (at least, not for minimum wage).
Besides, fast food isn't designed as a mechanism for training a work force of helping the jobless. It's a company that wants to provide a product for a low cost. Cheap labor is a side effect.
Look, we've danced this dance before. You don't change your opinions. It doesn't matter when what or how they are. It doesn't matter if they're right, wrong, or absolutely insane. You drove poor sebster to the drink against last time! So I'm just going to post charts!
Also, when you're looking at the flat growth keep in mind that even though wages have increased by about 25% in 40 years for the bottom half of the pie chart the price of gas has gone up 1200%, the price of a new car 500% and the price of a cheeseburger has gone up 400%.
Soo..... No. You're wrong. Aaaaaaaand that's about all I'm willing to say.
Is Kronk lying about his wife's accomplishment?
Aside from the fact that he could be, that's not really important and totally blows over everything I posted. Which is something you do regularly. Stop it. Go back to my last post and read it again and it'll be like i just replied to you since it's all I'm really gonna say.
I didn't say anything about the Obama years. At least, I don't think so...if I did then my bad, I meant Clinton, the president during the '90s (will go back and check). However, it's also true that the Bush years were better than the Obama years (so far) simply because of the current economic straits we're in.
Well now everyones confusd.
I never worked at a fast food restaurant. But I did work minimum wage doing construction work. I'm not sure how the two would compare. But it made me realize that I didn't want to work in construction (at least, not for minimum wage).
You know the heavy things you had to carry? Fill them with chicken. You know the water in your boots? Make it chicken grease. You know the sunburns you get? Make those actual and serious burns when a thing of gravy falls in the fryer. You know that thing you get to do when you're minorly injured? The not working thing? Your 19 year old manager doesn't want you to do that. Get back to the register with your burnt up fingers and hit those buttons.
Fast food kitchens are really unhealthy environments.
Besides, fast food isn't designed as a mechanism for training a work force of helping the jobless. It's a company that wants to provide a product for a low cost. Cheap labor is a side effect.
Then we should probably ask ourselves as a society just how badly we're willing to treat people for really gakky burgers.
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So, can we all agree that the first list of demands was pretty reasonable (apart from their confused point about corporations and personhood)?
And that, despite that list having general agreement across the general population, nothing in that list is going to be pursued by either major party?
And that we really have no idea how to resolve that frankly gakky situation?
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
biccat wrote:I never worked at a fast food restaurant.
I did.
It wasn't for me, so I didn't stay. Can't say I felt terribly victimized by the event.
I did work in the snack bar of a kid's park for a short stint. Hated it. But then again I hated all my jobs back then. But, er, I love my job now...
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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ShumaGorath wrote:So I'm just going to post charts!
Your charts don't show that "economic opportunity" for Americans hasn't increased in the last 40 years.
First, your chart starts in 1989 (end of a boom cycle) and ends in 2010, the depths of the latest recession. Second, 1989 - 2011 is less than 40 years. If you go back to 1971 (40 years ago), the median (inflation-adjusted) income was ~$42,000. Today it's $49,777.
Plus, the first graph further illustrates my observation that the Clinton years really weren't that great.
ShumaGorath wrote:the price of gas has gone up 1200%
ShumaGorath wrote:and the price of a cheeseburger has gone up 400%.
Couldn't find anything on cheeseburgers. But since you can get one for $1 today and it cost 15 cents in the late '60s, I'm guessing that this is wrong too.
ShumaGorath wrote:that's not really important and totally blows over everything I posted
You posted "minimum wage fast food jobs provide no upward mobility." Are you lying now, or were you lying then?
ShumaGorath wrote:Well now everyones confusd.
Went back and checked my post. Nope, there's nothing to be confused about. The '90s sucked for the poor & lower middle class. See your last post for further reinforcement.
ShumaGorath wrote:You know the heavy things you had to carry? Fill them with chicken. You know the water in your boots? Make it chicken grease. You know the sunburns you get? Make those actual and serious burns when a thing of gravy falls in the fryer. You know that thing you get to do when you're minorly injured? The not working thing? Your 19 year old manager doesn't want you to do that. Get back to the register with your burnt up fingers and hit those buttons.
Woe is you. Seriously, this type of one-upmanship is a sad excuse for an argument.
ShumaGorath wrote:
Besides, fast food isn't designed as a mechanism for training a work force of helping the jobless. It's a company that wants to provide a product for a low cost. Cheap labor is a side effect.
Then we should probably ask ourselves as a society just how badly we're willing to treat people for really gakky burgers.
This is such an absurd argument that I'm not entirely sure where to begin. First, it's not "society" that treats people badly, it's individual managers/owners. I'm positive that there are many people who are happy to work at McDonalds, even in the kitchen or at the fryer.
And I'm even more positive that cheap fast-food provided by places like McDonalds provides value to their customers who don't want to spend $10 for a hamburger every day.
Couldn't find anything on cheeseburgers. But since you can get one for $1 today and it cost 15 cents in the late '60s, I'm guessing that this is wrong too.
.15 x 400% = .60 So, if a cheezeboiger cost 1.00 now it actually went up over 400%.
Just saying...
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
Also, as an aside, those graphs you posted biccat had a note on them saying that they did not count peak oil costs, only average.
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CptJake wrote:.15 x 400% = .60 So, if a cheezeboiger cost 1.00 now it actually went up over 400%.
Just saying...
The argument on wages is relevant only in terms of inflation. Yes, cheeseburgers have increased in price (15 cents to $1) but wages have also increased during that time.
Couldn't find anything on cheeseburgers. But since you can get one for $1 today and it cost 15 cents in the late '60s, I'm guessing that this is wrong too.
.15 x 400% = .60 So, if a cheezeboiger cost 1.00 now it actually went up over 400%.
Just saying...
Back in the day I could go to Quarter Burger (or $.25 Burger I forget the name) and get 8 for $2.00. California version of White Castle. It was awesome.
I'm hungry now and its too early even for breakfast.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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CptJake wrote:.15 x 400% = .60 So, if a cheezeboiger cost 1.00 now it actually went up over 400%.
Just saying...
The argument on wages is relevant only in terms of inflation. Yes, cheeseburgers have increased in price (15 cents to $1) but wages have also increased during that time.
Wages are up more than 400% since then? Man, when did that happen?
Your charts don't show that "economic opportunity" for Americans hasn't increased in the last 40 years.
First, your chart starts in 1989 (end of a boom cycle) and ends in 2010, the depths of the latest recession. Second, 1989 - 2011 is less than 40 years. If you go back to 1971 (40 years ago), the median (inflation-adjusted) income was ~$42,000. Today it's $49,777.
Source? That certainly contradicts most of what I'm seeing.
No, it hasn't.
sure it has, and I didn't say inflation adjusted. I was implying inflation by stating it.
No, it hasn't.
1971 $3,919 2001 $19,654
Yes, it really has.
Couldn't find anything on cheeseburgers. But since you can get one for $1 today and it cost 15 cents in the late '60s, I'm guessing that this is wrong too.
Biccat can't into math.
Went back and checked my post. Nope, there's nothing to be confused about. The '90s sucked for the poor & lower middle class. See your last post for further reinforcement.
Huh? Lets look at table 10... Total wage and salary workers: Workers paid hourly rates: Total Percent of total wage and salary workers
In '09, for example, there were 124,490,000 workers. 72,611,000 were hourly workers (58.3%). That measn the remainder (51,879,000) were salaried.
If you look at the first column (Total wage and salary workers) you'll see that it increased from 1991-2008. The percent of those (column 3) who were hourly workers peaked during 1996 and decreased from ~60% in 2000 to just over 58% in 2008.
2008 was both the bottom of the recession and an election year. Hence my comment about all the asterisks being needed.
Woe is you. Seriously, this type of one-upmanship is a sad excuse for an argument.
I wasn't making an argument. I was describing a workplace environment.
This is such an absurd argument that I'm not entirely sure where to begin. First, it's not "society" that treats people badly, it's individual managers/owners. I'm positive that there are many people who are happy to work at McDonalds, even in the kitchen or at the fryer.
Like 12? This some sort of flowers for algernon thing? Do they not know any better?
And I'm even more positive that cheap fast-food provided by places like McDonalds provides value to their customers who don't want to spend $10 for a hamburger every day.
Diabetes and our nations collapsing health infrastructure sure does seem worth those cheap burgers! Clearly our society values the correct things and has no need of change or realignment in it's value structure. I'm at work, I'm gonna tag in one of your regular punching bags. I don't have time to run in circles and spit the shifting sands out as they fly into my mouth.
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Well the big Houston protest just went by.
LAME!
It was like two park and ride buses full. Thats it? Come on the weekly marches at my college had ten times that, and 3/4 were fine California numphs. This was sad. I did like the guy on stilts dressed as Uncle Sam though. A brave man to try to walk on stilts through all the construction and normal Houston downtown potholes.
Melissia if you were there I was the guy drinking coffee and giving the protesters the finger. Sorry...
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ShumaGorath wrote:Source? That certainly contradicts most of what I'm seeing.
I'm starting to think that you really don't understand how to read charts and graphs. If you don't know how they work, please stop trying to support your points with them. This is especially frustrating when the points your arguing are adverse to the graphs you're posting.
ShumaGorath wrote:sure it has, and I didn't say inflation adjusted. I was implying inflation by stating it.
Are you arguing in inflation-adjusted numbers or not? When you mix the two you're obfuscating the data. For example, one might note that gas prices have stayed relatively flat for the last several decades while average incomes have increased approximately 300%.
At this point you're basically making crap up and presenting data in a dishonest manner to support a point that is completely adverse to reality.
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USE CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY AND OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE APPROPRIATE FEDERAL AGENCIES FULLY INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE THE WALL STREET CRIMINALS
So rather than focus on installing working oversight to prevent any future problems we should attempt to dig up a cold case from 3 years ago to investigate and prosecute everybody involved in the financial collapse that might have been involved and may have done something illegal when the burden of proof to successfully prosecute anybody for fraud will be difficult or impossible to meet.
CONGRESS ENACT LEGISLATION TO PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY BY REVERSING THE EFFECTS OF THE CITIZENS UNITED SUPREME COURT DECISION
That one is flat out unconstitutional. A simple bill can not override a supreme court decision, and if they tried the supreme court would just toss that law out as unconstitutional. Congress can only override citizen's united with a constitutional amendment, so stop wasting our time by proposing unconstitutional legislation.
CONGRESS PASS SPECIFIC AND EFFECTIVE LAWS LIMITING THE INFLUENCE OF LOBBYISTS AND ELIMINATING THE PRACTICE OF LOBBYISTS WRITING LEGISLATION THAT ENDS UP ON THE FLOOR OF CONGRESS.
Sounds like a good idea, but it's a complete waste of time. Did I write this post, or did a lobbyist write this post. How can anybody prove that I wrote this post or that a lobbyist wrote this post? It's also dancing on a fine line between limiting influence and limiting free speech. The best way to limit lobbyists is to limit the way they can spend money, which goes back to a constitutional amendment to overturn citizens united.
CONGRESS PASS THE BUFFETT RULE ON FAIR TAXATION SO THE RICH AND CORPORATIONS PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE & CLOSE CORPORATE TAX LOOP HOLES AND ENACT A PROHIBITION ON HIDING FUNDS OFF SHORE.
The Buffett rule has some legs to stand on, especially now that they are raising the definition of rich to million + incomes. A shutdown of loopholes and off shore exemptions would also be productive, depending on how you define loophole. For instance if a company goes massively into the red one year hemorrhaging cash out the whaazoo should the tax code take that into consideration in the next year? If your answer is yes you just gave GE a tax break (they paid no taxes because they were way in the red the year before). Corporate tax codes are a highly complicated subject. The largest loopholes do need to be closed, but hammering them to the point they go out of business won't help anybody. A middle ground approach is necessary.
CONGRESS COMPLETELY REVAMP THE SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
The agency is gimped and in dire need of being fixed.
CONGRESS PASSING "Revolving Door Legislation" LEGISLATION ELIMINATING THE ABILITY OF FORMER GOVERNMENT REGULATORS GOING TO WORK FOR CORPORATIONS THAT THEY ONCE REGULATED
That one is plausible and passable as a law, but will be a bit tricky to implement without violating the civil liberties of the people in question.
ELIMINATE "PERSONHOOD" LEGAL STATUS FOR CORPORATIONS.
Corporations are not people, but the issue is more complicated than it might seem. Stockholders are people, and depriving their corporation of liberty or property without due process of law is depriving the stockholders of their property. By the same logic of corporations are people the great irony is owning stock=owning people=owning a slave. Corporations don't need a person hood status, but stockholders do need their 14th amendment rights upheld.
HR 1489 is a viable that we can have a good debate about the pros and cons of reinstating the Glass-Steagall act. Does mixing reasonable requests that the American people need in with pie in the sky dreams, unconstitutional bills, and partisan hyperbolic ramblings spelled out in a list of all caps requests help the situation? Tone it down a notch and focus on the most important and easily fixed items first.
Chaos isn’t a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail, and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some are given a chance to climb, but refuse. They cling to the realm, or love, or the gods…illusions. Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is, but they’ll never know this. Not until it’s too late.
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I'm hungry now and its too early even for breakfast.
