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In response to Ouze, I'd say that our countries intervened in Libya because they saw an opportunity to rid themselves of an odious little man who's been a thorn our sides for many years, indeed, has murdered our citizens. I think it's got little to do with spreading democracy, in truth.
I do actual work about 3 times more as a TA than I ever did managing a gym 80 hours per week, and I only actually work Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.
I miss the private sector.
yes I have minions for that whole work thing.
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Albatross wrote:In response to Ouze, I'd say that our countries intervened in Libya because they saw an opportunity to rid themselves of an odious little man who's been a thorn our sides for many years, indeed, has murdered our citizens. I think it's got little to do with spreading democracy, in truth.
true dat. Also a lot to do with protecting BP and Total.
but he's a killer, a killer of Americans and Brits, so its good he's gone. Zombie Reagan is downing a cold one in celebration.
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The rebels were being hit with things they couldn't reasonably defend against. Helping only really required airstrikes. That's the kind of intervention we're quite good at.
Ketara wrote:The US went into Libya? I thought it was a French/British operation?
I swear I even remember reading Obama saying he wanted nothing to do with it.
It is a NATO operation. The US has participated in airstrikes, using everything from Tomahawk missiles to stealth bombers to UAVs. We also have a number of CIA agents on the ground gathering intelligence.
The French and British have taken the lead enforcing the no-fly zone, but the US is decidedly involved in the conflict.
I thought it was a disgrace airing video of the former dictator being dragged by his hair and kicked around by the Libyan militias. No matter he did in the past he was murdered in cold blood. The murdering of opponenets was a trait of Ghadafi and should not have been allowed to occur. I just hope this is not a sign to come for the new regime, however, I fear someone new will seize power, perhaps under the guise of democracy, but definately in one way or another.
Ketara wrote:The US went into Libya? I thought it was a French/British operation?
I swear I even remember reading Obama saying he wanted nothing to do with it.
Nope, we bombed the living hell out of them. I think I saw a report that said that the US dropped more bombs than the other two nations combined.
Makes sense, the French cant fly planes to save their lives. We had French air support twice during my 6 month in Helmand, and they were utterly fething dog gak. If it wasnt for the fact that I was there and thus the Taliban were scared witless, somebody might have got hurt!
We had the British about ten times, and they were merely good.
We had American air about 50 times, and they bombed the gak out of absolutely everything much to our delight.
And when the A-10s turned up (maybe 8-9 times) the death that they rained down was truly glorious to behold!
Sure, they might occasionally get fin lock and frag some allied soldiers, but thats gonna happpen when your dropping ten times the bombs that your allies do. You will never ever get an actual combat veteran from the British military say a single bad word about the US close air support.
They saved our asses on numerous occasions, and when we had three men down with gunshots, and Taliban engaging us from 11 different positions, we were fething praying it was Yank air, and not Frog air that turned up.
And it was!
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
Sadly, it is supposed that a French strike that halted his convoy and led to the rebels finding and killing Ghaddafi. But Matty, if you want to we could say that they were aiming to kill Ghaddafi with the strike but missed his vehicle and hit another one.
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Maybe they had an American exchange student flying a French jet?
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
Ouze wrote: Is it that we have a duty to help spread democracy everywhere it might be flourishing? Even skipping the fact that we obviously don't do that, how is that different then some adherents of Islam claiming it should be spread by the sword?
Well, for one, spreading democracy is (supposedly) beneficial to us, whereas the spreading of radical Islam is not.
In any case, we saw an opportunity to expedite the removal of a problematic dictator, so we took it.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
Let's see Libya has a twitpot dictator send in the drones
Why not a decapitation in, lets' say for example, Zimbabwe.
What is the difference.
Oil reserves in Libya are the largest in Africa and the ninth largest in the world with 41.5 billion barrels (6.60×109 m3) as of 2007. Oil production was 1.8 million barrels per day (290×103 m3/d) as of 2006, giving Libya 23 years of reserves at current production rates if no new reserves were to be found. Libya is considered a highly attractive oil area due to its low cost of oil production (as low as $1 per barrel at some fields), and proximity to European markets. Libya would like to increase production from 1.8 Mbbl/d (290×103 m3/d) in 2006 to 3 Mbbl/d (480×103 m3/d) by 2010–13 but with existing oil fields undergoing a 7–8% decline rate, Libya's challenge is maintaining production at mature fields, while finding and developing new oil fields. Most of Libya remains unexplored as a result of past sanctions and disagreements with foreign oil companies.[1]
