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Less crying, more pictures of Nazi Orks!

Southerners can fly the Confederate Flag :p


If this were a question of using a swastika; on IG or Orks I'd find it a little worrying as it sorta says something about the guy painting them that way... but on FoW or WWII minis, not using it is succumbing to revisionism: I think, for example, it's denying history and covering up guilt for the German govt. to disallow swastikas in video games.

Anytime you make anything about WWII and you blot out a swastika, Hitler wins.

The other 2 i made so far.... I think i have two more and then a warbosss my friend gave me.

Nice nice keep up the good work.

Are you going to paint up any tanks, zap guns or those large artillery guns?

If so would be cool to see

Great work so far, can't wait to see more.

Look good love to see more!(The modles as a whole)

HAZZER

The swastika looks added as an afterthought, and seems incongruous as tiny flag painted on an axe of all things, rather than being integrated into the theme of the figure.

NWansbutter wrote:

While I agree that swastikas are inappropriate in 40K because it is contrary to the fluff ...

Really, how do you figure that one? A billion odd planets and none of them has come up with a swastika as a symbol?

As for the topic, the reason the swastika has such a negative association in many countries is because of its use by the nazis and it being a useful symbol to refer to the nazis when anti-nazi propaganda was wanted. To suggest that the symbol not be used in a cartoonish depiction of nazis is crazy. A lot of the wartime propaganda simply placed a large swastika in the middle of a german helmet which is exactly what the nork has.


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Can't say I like the flag on the weapons though, would've looked better as a patch on the clothing somewhere.

Regardless of the WWI/WWII distinction, I think it's fairly offensive to be creating German Ork armies, as it's just playing up a stereotype.

I think the question you should ask yourself is, would you feel comfortable with bringing that army to Germany?

I have a friend who wants to do a CC of the USSR for his IG army, and I've tried to talk him into doing an allegory of it instead.

The difference I see between that and the Wehrmacht is that there is far less personal connection with the USSR in US society, plus GW also make an IG army that is blatantly based on the Red Army. Personally, I am against using the hammer and sickle in 40k since I feel direct symbols violate the separation of 40k and real life. I think it's certainally believable that Russians or Germans could have left Terra and setup societies that in some way are similar to the German Empire or USSR, but they aren't going to be a CC, and definitely aren't going to be using the same symbols.

I'm also opposed to any sort of WWII era Warhammer armies for psychological reasons, mainly those related to cognitive dissonance, self justification, and a general lack of public knowledge about how evil the Wehrmacht actually was.

I also don't really think we should bring this into a game of toy soldiers, but the fact that people feel it necessary requires that we address it. I only recommend that we not have flame wars and end discussion of the subject once we make clear our position.

First off, this didn't need to be necro'd.

Second, they are toy soldiers, not pinnacles of ones beliefs. Let it go.

Hahahaha great stuff man. But i have to warn you. People may get offended and stuff.. I proudly collect Soviet Guard (soviet ig) and got kicked out of 7 tournaments total xD.. but i went as far as having dead UN soldiers and propaganda banners filled with pro communist stuff

ARIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISE DEAD THREAD!

Shame you didn't stick with just the German styling on the uniforms, and also a shame that your thread was hijacked by rather pointless and often mis-informed arguments.

LazzurusMan wrote:As long as there are no swastikas I don't see what's wrong with it, it's a very interesting part of history, and I see no reason why models shouldn't be painted in ww2 german style in a universe full of ww1 and 2 style armies

There needs to be swastikas. If your going for a historical thing or not. Even if it makes them look racist. It is appropriate as long as people understand that no racial intentions are meant behind the models but for art not for any belief system.

I think it isn't a stretch to say that orks are racist.

Vasarto wrote:

LazzurusMan wrote:As long as there are no swastikas I don't see what's wrong with it.

There needs to be swastikas. If your going for a historical thing or not. Even if it makes them look racist.

How so, where is the need? Firstly the German people and their army were not all Nazi's and not all army personnel wore the symbol so why is there a 'need' for them when depicting a fictional space Ork. Secondly it doesn't make the little plastic men look racist, as I'm pretty sure they have no political leanings, it make the player look slightly silly though. I'm not saying we shouldn't do things because of what other people think but the feelings of others should at least be a consideration.

Aerethan wrote: I think it isn't a stretch to say that orks are racist.

Bit of stretch to say they have formed a political party that has designs on establishing an Empire with the extermination of 'inferior' races as a major goal though. I take your point though, fluff-wise Orks do hold themselves above other races and even above other Orks at times.

Well that is what I mean. They are genocidal towards anything non Ork, and thus racist. I do agree that they may not have the organizational skills needed for a reich.

Before this thread is locked I'd just like to remind everyone that we had the promises of a fairly edgy project that didn't imply political leanings:

OP was going to be novel and model Orks based on propaganda posters (allied); monstrous creatures looking rather germanified.

What did we get? Some crudely painted AoBR Orks likely done by a seven year old with swastikas slapped on:



This thread should be ridiculed.

Pretty sure the posters would have been German as the concept of Germans as barbarian was a major theme for the Nazi party and Hitler in particular. He invested heavily in the rediscovery of much of the Germanic history from the classical era particularly the Massacre of Teutoburger Wald. The Cheruscan chief Arminius can be arguable seen as one of Germans first nationalistic heroes, and was certainly held as such by Hitler.

The political implication was there the second he wrote Nazi Orks and not WW2 German themed Orks

Anyway probably a bit OT, sorry about that.

On a related note, does anyone know where you could find realistic mp-40's? I've made a squad of russian orks with AK's--planning on doing gringo orks, as well as Heer orks and possibly SAS orks. Shoota boyz 'round the world, et cetera. Does anyone have any ideas? I've checked out Maxmini, Kromlech and a few others but have come up short thus far.

You could try these guys;
http://www.theassaultgroup.co.uk/store/home.php?cat=23
This might also help;
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=12461.0

I like the way you've painted your models.

I'm painting some Wehrmacht style IG at the moment (see blog), and theming around WWII German military uniform and colour schemes, but for the record, this does not equal 'nazi-style'. I agree, lose the swastikas, but use anything else as inspiration.

Good luck with your models, I'd like to see the finished army!

I like the colour scheme it suits the orks I think.
What I would like to see is a ork driving a panzer with a massive waaaagh banner strapped to the back and some ork slogans scribbled on the side.
Keep up the good work.

Thread is being locked due to thread necromancy.

If the OP would like this reopened then please let us know.