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Vegetarians are fruit baskets, and a bunch of quacks that sleep to close to mother nature.







Ok Im mostly joking. I have found some vegetarian foods to be fantastic (nothing with tofu though, GAH that is gak) Infact I make a pretty mean grilled mushroom burger, and I have to admit, when I make it, I forget there is such a thing as beef

Properly seasoned and cooked tofu can be darn good too. My wife occasionally makes a nice miso soup. It can be nice in some asian dishes too, say, in a thai-style dish with onions and peppers.

dogma wrote:It also doesn't help that, in my experience, vegans tend to be particularly preachy when it comes to their eating habits.

Hence how funny the sequence with the Vegan ex is, in Scott Pilgrim vs. The World.

Mannahnin wrote:Properly seasoned and cooked tofu can be darn good too. My wife occasionally makes a nice miso soup. It can be nice in some asian dishes too, say, in a thai-style dish with onions and peppers.

dogma wrote:It also doesn't help that, in my experience, vegans tend to be particularly preachy when it comes to their eating habits.

Hence how funny the sequence with the Vegan ex is, in Scott Pilgrim vs. The World.

Best movie ever.

I like some sauteed tofu with ginger, soy sauce and toasted sesame seeds with stir fried bok choy.

Oh, combine equal parts soy sauce, fish sauce and oyster sauce for an awesome stir fry sauce. Just toss a Tablespoon or two of that with whatever you have in your wok and yumminess will ensue.

dogma wrote:Generally I've found that preparing meals that are vegetarian friendly is not a hassle as, while traditional main courses are largely off limits, traditional side dishes generally aren't and bear a strong resemblance to many vegetarian entrees and can easily be converted to that role with some simple ingredient substitution.

The real issue that I've had, both in terms of propriety and preparation, comes with vegans. Not only are many dishes not vegan friendly, but cooking in a vegan friendly manner is fairly unusual, and therefore difficult for most people.

It also doesn't help that, in my experience, vegans tend to be particularly preachy when it comes to their eating habits.

The truth.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

martian_jo wrote:It's in everything... Or Corn based ethanol fuels even though celulosic ethanol is more efficient and doesn't cut into the food supply...

Biolfuels are almost a dead loss IMO. Currently they are working on sources of biolfuels that will grow on waste land, but a lot of biofuel is generated from agricultural land. So we're effectively burning our food instead of eating it. The best bit is that to meet the demand for greater use for crops like corn there have cut down sections of rainforest. Which is counter productive obviously but lets some people feel good about themselves as they drive around in their bio-cars.

Why not just use the parts of the plants we don't eat for the biofuel?

Let's face it, the half-dozen ears of corn are what, 10% of a corn plant? Green beans aren't even that much? Okay, carrots and turnips don't have much loss - and there are always people that want the greens - but what about pumpkins and other squash? Grains? There's a lot of stuff leftover after you take out the parts that people can eat.

EDIT: Being a vegitarian is a choice. I respect your right to choose. I choose not to be a vegitarian. If you have a problem with this... it's your problem, not mine. Don't expect me to take kindly to you trying to take my right to choose away from me.

I think the problem about meat is not only that the animals have to suffer, but also that we dont have enough resources on our planet to feed cows with. It a fact that there is enough food for 12 billion, yet more than one billion people suffer from hunger. Thats because the corn is wasted on things like livestock and biofuel. From one acre of land you can feed either 20 people with corn or one fat dude with steak. WASTE!

I need help in how to convince more Filipinos to be vegetarian.

( Ignore the first part it is a rant)

Well first thing is it's an agarian nation but maybe not in the future stupid subdivision's taking up all the farmland.

I find it shocking on how much meat that's being eaten in this country (Philippines), I mean people just love porking up, It's also hard because of the weird fact that pork sometimes becomes cheaper thatn veggies.


I think vegetarianism is very good way to be healthy.

- Imagine all that meat rotting in you eeewww.

- Vegetables have fiber less chance of getting stuck-in

- Vegetables are more nutritious and don't carry harmful things in them.

- You don't have to live like a New Zealander where your'e population is outnumbered by plotting livestock.

In conclusion eat more vegs and less meats.

RecutalThreat wrote:I need help in how to convince more Filipinos to be vegetarian.

( Ignore the first part it is a rant)

Well first thing is it's an agarian nation but maybe not in the future stupid subdivision's taking up all the farmland.

I find it shocking on how much meat that's being eaten in this country (Philippines), I mean people just love porking up, It's also hard because of the weird fact that pork sometimes becomes cheaper thatn veggies.

I think vegetarianism is very good way to be healthy.
- Imagine all that meat rotting in you eeewww.
- Vegetables have fiber less chance of getting stuck-in
- Vegetables are more nutritious and don't carry harmful things in them.
- You don't have to live like a New Zealander where your'e population is outnumbered by plotting livestock.
In conclusion eat more vegs and less meats.

And this is precisely what I dislike about the vocal minority of vegetarians.

We are Omnivores...deal with it!

Veggies "rot" inside of you as well.

Pesticides aren't harmful? who knew!

Vegetarianism is the future.
Some of us, myself included might not like it, but its the future.

Not so long ago everyone 'knew' women should not be allowed to vote and blacks could not be citizens. Even forward thinking persons of their time. Didnt Jefferson write his treaties on human freedom from Monticello house where he kept his black slaves? Is this a criticism, no. Peoples mentality changes over the generations, and I see tomorrow being no different from today.

If yesteryears forward thinking men are todays bigots, could this be true now?

I think so. Food supply worldwide is getting difficult to support with our expanding population, health culture changes and numerous other factors you can probably work out for yourself.. However changes come from the top usually.
Womens lib had more to do with filling factories to allow men to fight in wars. Anti-slavery movements also had a root cause far removed from a minorities desire to be free.

So as meat becomes more expensive, as people realise you can feed more people on dairy land than beef land, and more still with arable land.
Frankly were it not for factory farming the move towards a vegatarian society weould already be starting.

Animal rights are all very well, but economic pressures will be the real driving force behind any change.


I would not be suprised if by 2050 eating beef will be as barbaric and backward as denying women the vote in victorian times, or having black slaves a hundred years before. Todays reasonable person is tomorrows bigot, then as probably now.

Eating meat conflated with slave ownership?

You've outdone yourself, OT!

RecutalThreat wrote:
- Imagine all that meat rotting in you eeewww.

It isn't rotting, its being broken down into its constituents like amino acids, sugars, and fats just like vegetables which would also "rot" inside of you as well.

- Vegetables have fiber less chance of getting stuck-in

Vegetables are harder for the body to digest completely, in fact all of that "fiber" in vegetables is actually cellulose which many animals cannot digest let alone humans. Ruminating animals, like giraffes, can though.

- Vegetables are more nutritious and don't carry harmful things in them.

Ever hear of Ergot? What about Escherichia Coli?

- You don't have to live like a New Zealander where your'e population is outnumbered by plotting livestock.

The United States has a large livestock population, but we've managed to keep cows and sheep out of major cities. This isn't really for feeding people, but because of the amount of land available. One thing to also consider is that New Zealand's livestock is mainly sheep who produce not only meat, but wool! The amazing material used to make clothing and fancy hat linings.

In conclusion eat more vegs and less meats.

Whatever floats your boat, I know that I love eating meat but I won't knock off vegetarian options. I happen to like vegetables and veggie burgers are usually pretty tasty and less greasy compared to fast food places. However home-made burgers take priority in my opinion.

halonachos wrote:

- Vegetables are more nutritious and don't carry harmful things in them.

Ever hear of Ergot? What about Escherichia Coli?

And bacillus cereus? And Salmonella?

Monster Rain wrote:

halonachos wrote:

- Vegetables are more nutritious and don't carry harmful things in them.

Ever hear of Ergot? What about Escherichia Coli?

And bacillus cereus? And Salmonella?

Bacillus cereus can be contracted from rice, but salmonella is usually, normally passed through animals.

halonachos wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

halonachos wrote:

- Vegetables are more nutritious and don't carry harmful things in them.

Ever hear of Ergot? What about Escherichia Coli?

And bacillus cereus? And Salmonella?

Bacillus cereus can be contracted from rice, but salmonella is usually, normally passed through animals.

It's commonly passed through animals, but since it lives in the soil it can get into veggies as well. Also, since it's passed through animals and all that, you do know what a lot of places use to fertilize crops don't you? Trust me, salmonella is in vegetables. Hell, don't trust me.

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Oh, and I forgot listeriosis.

Another harmful thing that you can get from vegetables.

Vegetables are good for you! You can't digest parts of them AND they can give you diseases!

Any food can give you diseases.

A decent number of which are caused by eating someone else's poop. Hepatitis A, Shigella, Salmonella, E. Coli, Norovirus, our little friend cryptosporidium...

Wash your nasty hands, people.

Monster Rain wrote:Any food can give you diseases.

A decent plurality of which are caused by eating someone else's poop. Hepatitis A, Shigella, Salmonella, E. Coli, Norovirus...

Wash your nasty hands, people.

Not washing your hands is murder, get with the program people. Those hand sanitizers shouldn't be the only thing you use either.

You can catch just as much bacterial and fungal diseases from vegetables as you can from animals, so thats not a good excuse really.

I would not be suprised if by 2050 eating beef will be as barbaric and backward as denying women the vote in victorian times, or having black slaves a hundred years before. Todays reasonable person is tomorrows bigot, then as probably now.

Shame that veggie and vegan dishes taste like gak though. So...good luck trying to force everyone to eat them.

Mr Hyena wrote:People do know that 'Organic' is just a label farmers use to get more money per product right? When I was in my second year at university, my lecturer pointed out what a big con Organic food is. Its no different from ordinary farming. I've never and will never buy organic/free-range or whatever the Label of The Month is.

I don't think it really matters what happens. The animal is going to be killed anyway.

Organic is different. I work with produce all day, believe me when I say you can taste and see a difference (also by the fact that it goes bad in half as much time). There are some issues such as in Australia where the only difference between free range and otherwise is a square foot of space or so. In essence, people will often do the minimum necessary to be able to sell more expensive product, but it doesn't mean that's always the case.

Why eat rabbit food when you could eat a rabbit instead?

Mr Hyena wrote:

I would not be suprised if by 2050 eating beef will be as barbaric and backward as denying women the vote in victorian times, or having black slaves a hundred years before. Todays reasonable person is tomorrows bigot, then as probably now.

Shame that veggie and vegan dishes taste like gak though. So...good luck trying to force everyone to eat them.

Are you trying to make yourself look dumb? You have a habit of posting very broadly-worded and untrue things.

Subjectively, of course, what tastes good or bad to one person is true for that person. Of course, the idea that all vegetarian dishes taste bad is so absurd that expressing it in that manner comes off as trolling or an incredible level of ignorance.

Of course, nothing in his post even implied that anyone would be forced to eat them, so your comment wasn't even a reasonable response to his expressed thought.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Organic is different. I work with produce all day, believe me when I say you can taste and see a difference (also by the fact that it goes bad in half as much time).

The main difference between organic and not-organic food is that Organic food is typically harvested ripe (or nearly so) while not-organic food can be harvested earlier and allowed to ripen as it is transported. Which also accounts for the spoilage - not-organic foods are designed to have shelf life. A genetically modified tomato could be just as tasty as a non-GM tomato.

As an aside, I really wish people who advocate 'natural' farms hadn't misappropriated the word "organic."

halonachos wrote:Not washing your hands is murder, get with the program people. Those hand sanitizers shouldn't be the only thing you use either.

1) Washing your hands is murder. It's killing living organisms.

2) Using hand sanitizers is worse than simply washing with soap and water. I avoid buying "antibacterial" soap. Our overreliance on anti-bacterials is a problem.

Personally, I think Vegetariansim is barbaric.

We purposefully imprison free plants just so we can forcefully abort their young by ripping them from their parents just so we can rip up the little babies to cook and consume them.

Of course, nothing in his post even implied that anyone would be forced to eat them, so your comment wasn't even a reasonable response to his expressed thought.

You can't have slaves and you can't deny women the vote; so if this logic continues then you would be denied meat. So my assessment of his post is correct, unless he worded it terribly.

Of course, the idea that all vegetarian dishes taste bad is so absurd that expressing it in that manner comes off as trolling or an incredible level of ignorance.

You don't get the same taste of a meat and veg dish in a veg only dish. Thats very disgusting really.

I think people are free to eat whatever they choose within reason (cannibalism is a bit shaky).

If you want to only eat vegetables, go ahead, so long as you don't try and disuade me from enjoying a good bacon sarnie or start spouting pro-vegetarianism nonsense over the dinner table and try to make us all sick by describing how our meat is processed (I don't particularly care myself, but I would like to be able to keep my food down).

Just as long as everyone eats what they like to eat, i'm fine with it. If you want to make your carnivore/herbivore jokes/attacks/sermons, please do it in private.

Mr Hyena wrote:

Of course, nothing in his post even implied that anyone would be forced to eat them, so your comment wasn't even a reasonable response to his expressed thought.

You can't have slaves and you can't deny women the vote; so if this logic continues then you would be denied meat. So my assessment of his post is correct, unless he worded it terribly.

His choice of things to compare it to wasn't ideal, but he wasn't talking about a change in the laws, he was obviously and clearly talking about what's considered acceptable and normal by people. A few hundred years ago most people saw slavery as natural and normal. His thesis is that in the future people will change over to seeing meat-eating as inappropriate. I don't know if I agree, but he was clearly talking about changing social attitudes.

Mr Hyena wrote:

Of course, the idea that all vegetarian dishes taste bad is so absurd that expressing it in that manner comes off as trolling or an incredible level of ignorance.

You don't get the same taste of a meat and veg dish in a veg only dish. Thats very disgusting really.

You're joking, right? The fact that two dishes taste DIFFERENT makes one of them digusting by default?

His thesis is that in the future people will change over to seeing meat-eating as inappropriate. I don't know if I agree, but he was clearly talking about changing social attitudes.

Would you openly admit to doing a social taboo? How would you have, say, a dinner party with friends and serve it?

I don't think it'll be anywhere near that in the future.

You're joking, right? The fact that two dishes taste DIFFERENT makes one of them digusting by default?

I, and people like me, clearly like the taste of meat + veg. Veg only doesn't serve anywhere near the same purpose taste wise. It lacks a meat taste. Thats pretty much disgusting isn't it?

So what do you choose your dishes based on?

Like all lifestyle choices, I'm fine with vegetarians, as long as they don't try to ram it down my throat.

My idea of heaven is a fresh piece of Filet Mignon, flash fried for 10-15 seconds on each side in a smoking hot pan and served with a creamy blue cheese sauce and home made fries with onion rings...
If you don't like my choice of food, if it offends you in anyway at all, then please tell me. You are entitled to your opinion, as I am perfectly entitled to ignore you and tuck into my awesomely tasty piece of dead cow.

We have been eating meat since we learnt how too hunt. You really think Cro-Magnum man would have survived had they been vegetarians? No, they would not.
It's a fairly modern lifestyle choice, and good for you if you stick with it. But leave the immoral nonsense out of it. Humans are top of the food chain and need to eat meat. Thaw why we farm, grow and slaughter Pigs, Cows, Chickens, Lamb, Sheep, Ostrich, hell anything really!