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Some amazing work in this thread!
I myself have always felt the scale for everything is way off anyways. Keep up the amazing work.

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I am now completely ashamed of my Marines... You are surely a truly skilled modeler good sir.

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I am now completely ashamed of my Marines... You are surely a truly skilled modeler good sir.


I often feel like that when lurking at Dakka :(

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Don't feel too bad, lol. If you saw some of my first Marines and earliest conversions, you'd feel better.

Fortunately, most of them have long since been lost to time, or stripped of paint, so there's little evidence. I'm glad you enjoyed the blog though.

Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?

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Did you see my link to the TS vehicles on the previous page, I know you hacve no interest in doing vehicles, but wondered what you thought anyway.

When we gonna see some paint btw!

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I'm normally not a fan of "true" scale Space Marines, as they often end up looking too big, or like completely different models. These, however, are perfect. Incredibly simple and still recognizably Space Marines. Thumbs up!

Incidentally, how big are they compared to, say, a modern Cadian?

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 Squigsquasher wrote:
I'm normally not a fan of "true" scale Space Marines, as they often end up looking too big, or like completely different models. These, however, are perfect. Incredibly simple and still recognizably Space Marines. Thumbs up!

Incidentally, how big are they compared to, say, a modern Cadian?

I dug these guys out for you. As you might notice, I keep tearing that poor Guardsman apart and putting him back together, lol. This was his last form before I had to put the project on hold. Though he's probably coming apart again to get kneeling legs, haha. And, apparently I wasn't careful when I glued his hand back on, haha. Poor bastard.


Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?

True Scale Space Marines: Tutorial, Posing, Conversions and other madness. The Brief and Humorous History of the Horus Heresy

 
   
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Thanks! If I ever do a SM or CSM army I might try doing this, it looks like a really simple conversion.

Have you done any Terminators?

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It's not terribly complicated, it is just time consuming. Depending on how involved you get (I tend to manipulate every part of the model to some extent), it's probably about an hour to an hour and a half per Marine to assemble them.

As far as Terminators, I have a few sitting around that I was going to do. But I don't plan to make them significantly taller, maybe 1mm taller than the Power armored guys at eye level. See, the Marine in the TDA is still just a Marine in a suit. He would be bigger and bulkier, but probably not significantly taller unless the poor bastard is getting stretched out. As such, the Terminators were less of a priority. Especially since the original plan was to do a Battle Company, which of course, has no organic Terminators.

We'll see though. I'm slowly but surely warming up to the idea of restarting the project at the encouragement of some buddies, but it will have to come later as for reasons both good and bad, I'm just too busy.

Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?

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While I applaud the effort of this project, I do have one critisism. Something about the proportions of the models look....off. Especially looking at the waist area of all of the models. It is fairly obvious that there is a huge gap between the torso and leg pieces. It makes it look like the marines have an abnormally long abdomen compared to the rest of the body. Just my two cents. I look forward to seeing some paint on these guys.

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Samurai_Eduh wrote:
While I applaud the effort of this project, I do have one critisism. Something about the proportions of the models look....off. Especially looking at the waist area of all of the models. It is fairly obvious that there is a huge gap between the torso and leg pieces. It makes it look like the marines have an abnormally long abdomen compared to the rest of the body.


No, that's definitely fair. It was a modelling choice based on time allotment. It's actually only noticeable when they are blown up to five-ten times actual size, or if you were to pick it up and look really closely at it. I did move the belt-buckle down on some of the models to avoid the old-man golf pants look, but I deemed it to be way too much effort when it is almost totally invisible on 95% of the figures.

If you really wanted to do it "right", you'd have to green stuff the extra tubing, and cut off the belt buckle. I decided that was a wasted effort for my purposes, and covered the beltline with grenades and pouches (the pouches were part of the plan anyway). A lot of the perspective problems you may have are actually optical illusions based on your knowledge of what the "naked" and unmodified model looks like. In real life, the pouches sit above the belt line on most modern combat rigs anyway.



Though some of them actually have a belt buckle modeled underneath so that the gap isn't as noticeable from a low angle. Honestly though, the proportions on standard Space Marines are so hideously bad, I figure this is a small complaint, haha. The average human is 8 "heads" tall. My guys are around 6-6.5 heads tall. So you can imagine how bad the proportions already are.





On the second picture, you can see how it looks from the side. The width of the "belt" is increased somewhat, but it's covered almost entirely by the pouches and holsters except at the back of the model where there is no detail to make that look that odd. I dunno, it's all a matter of perspective. you expect the belt buckle to be in a certain place, which is why it may look odd. Ultimately, I made the choice to compromise on the minor detail by covering up the pesky details instead of changing them. Kinda lazy? Yeah, lol. But hey, I was planning to finish 100 of these guys and it became obvious very quickly how much effort that was going to be, lol.

Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?

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Amazing thread. Really cool to see a Marine's version of Marines.

I'm actually planning on doing something similar... but I'm taking a shortcut. I've bought Chapterhouse Studios' truescale kit.
   
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Love it when other army guys show their stuff. Always getting it right.

 
   
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Okay, so I decided to see what it would look like if I lengthened the legs another 1mm. It was something I always wanted to do (to keep the real world proportions of lower and upper leg), but had decided it was too much effort.

But, because I'm fascinated by this project and completely unconcerned with finishing it (apparently), instead of new models, you get new, old ones.


Oh dear God, they're getting bigger!



Sadly, the older plastic on the leg of the guy on the left sheared instead of cut clean, so he'll need some cleanup on that leg with green stuff, but overall, I'm actually pleased with the outcome, even if I am not pleased that I now have to pull apart and redo forty something models.

I guess the good news is, I don't have to change the name of the thread. Because they're now just 31.5mm, instead of 30.5mm. So it's still accurate.

Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?

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 BurstFire wrote:
Amazing thread. Really cool to see a Marine's version of Marines.

I'm actually planning on doing something similar... but I'm taking a shortcut. I've bought Chapterhouse Studios' truescale kit.

Thank you. Yeah, my "return" to 40K has been balanced by trying to reconcile 40K with my own vision what it should be, haha.

Sadly that involves way, way, way more projects than I have the time or patience for. So, for now, it's thinking up cool conversion poses for Marines, and then seeing if I can actually make them happen. Went through a ton of pictures of real world soldiers, and a ton of the old Rogue Trader era artwork, which was so much grittier than the more modern stuff. There are a boatload of ideas I've had that it has turned out I'm not skilled enough to pull off. But, then again, I have not really tried actually sculpting yet. Maybe I'll be good at it. Who knows?

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Love it when other army guys show their stuff. Always getting it right.

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Thanks guys. Though I hate to think of myself as legend. There are some truly legendary modelers and painters in this hobby. I'm just a guy with a lot of patience, a few good blades, and some extra cash for bits. The question is, will this army ever actually see the table? Or paint? Haha. Maybe.

Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?

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I dig these. I will be following this for good ideas.

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So I have finalized my color scheme for them. So they might not have much paint yet, and no finished models for display here because I have very little free time, but they have plan, lol.

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Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?

True Scale Space Marines: Tutorial, Posing, Conversions and other madness. The Brief and Humorous History of the Horus Heresy

 
   
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Very nice, I've never seen that before so I'm going to assume it's custom. Looks very grim,a perfect match to your models themes. I like the chapter symbol, are you going for a Ultramarine successor?

   
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Looks awesome here man, I am definitely subscribed, been gawking at the nice pictures. Your true scaling is jsut spot on in my opinion, keep it up.

My personal favourite by the way have to be the auspex (inspired) the roman style standard and the multilaser, such a shame no more multilasers -.-

Keep it up, and we need paint! (the colour looks really lovely.)

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Great project - this is the first time I've seen a tru-scale conversion that's simple enough that I might actually consider copying!


   
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prototype_X wrote:
Very nice, I've never seen that before so I'm going to assume it's custom. Looks very grim,a perfect match to your models themes. I like the chapter symbol, are you going for a Ultramarine successor?

Yeah, it is a custom, using the Space Marine Painter from the Bolter & Chainsword. They are indeed Ultramarines Successors (What gave it away?). They were originally just going to be Ultramarines because I'm a jerk and I wanted to make an Ultramarines Army that people were forced to like. I think they get way, way too much undeserved hatred. But, ultimately I felt like I was planning to take so many liberties with the fluff and the paint scheme, etc, that they would just be Ultramarines because I said so, and put a on their shoulder. So I decided that it might be more fun to make them a more ruthless Successor Chapter of the Ultramarines. I kept the , stuck a pokey bit through it (which you can see reflected on the Standard Bearer), made the blue darker, and added some black. My buddy hates the color scheme. He says it will be too dark, but there's no such thing, and I feel like it will help enhance the little details like the skulls and trophies. Yeah, if I ever get around to painting them.

They went though more than a few names. I originally liked The Spears of Ultramar, which was so awesome I found it had already been done. I've had three different Chapters of Marines over the years, across the tabletop and the Dawn of War games, so I played around with names. Ultimately I wanted to have some kind of hunter imagery, so I went through that list, but they all ended up sound like something I would have thought was awesome when I was 15. I'm not a fan of Latin names, because Low Gothic isn't actually Latin, and nearly all of the names of Chapters are in English and saying War Bunnies in another language still says War Bunnies. Latinizing (which usually ends up in awful/hilarious mistranslations when you put it into a Googled translator) is just sorta cornball. But, I looked at the Praetors of Orpheus, and realized if I used a Roman title, it would be very Ultramariney. So I chose Venator, which, very simply, means Hunter in Latin, but more 40Key, what with the Inculcators and the Execrators and the Excoriators... or the Libators, which as far as I can tell, means "Drinkers", lol. But Hunters is too overused in Space Marine chapter names. So I decided, in a nod to some angry trolls on this forum who tried, spectacularly unsuccessfully, to troll me in another thread, I named them the Invectors. Invective being "Insulting, abusive, or highly critical language". Sounds very 40Kish, is an aside joke, and thus amuses me. Maybe I'll make some Angry Marinesish conversions like one beating an Eldar to death with his own arm. That could be fun.



I don't usually like to cross promote sites, but here's the Index Astartes article I wrote up in for them on B&C. I dropped in some historical and pop culture references all over the place in that article, so people may have fun finding them. I wanted to have a little fun writing it (adding the Kil Kil Kil to the shoulderpad of Brother Galerius up there), and infuse it with some of the fun and character that I've used as inspiration, as well give it some throwback flair, while disguising it as a serious "modern" 40K piece of fiction.

Index Astartes: Invectors

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Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?

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So I dug these guys out again, and finally started work on my latest project. It's not far enough along to post pictures of it yet, but it's gonna take a while to plan it out and execute. This is a doozy of a conversion, but it has the potential to my favorite project yet.

Here's a teaser:


Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?

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omg... old school speeder pilots meet a Valkyrie?

   
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Sadly, I had to shelve the project for a while again. Just too much going on. Was doing too much traveling and then the weather was really nice all winter, and then work picked up, and now suddenly it's almost summer, and a bunch of other awful First World Problems.

The project above was the start of my StormVulture, which was going to be a heavily modified Valkyrie converted to have a magnetized front end and weapons to be either a Vulture or a Stormtalon. I got about halfway through it, completing the wings/tail assembly and the weapons before I had put it away. Yep, the pilots are the old 2nd Edition Landspeeder pilots who have the most epic and awesome Space Marine vehicle crew helmets ever. I actually have three sets of those guys sitting around, just because I had this delusion that I was going to complete three converted Valkyries, including at least one Valkyraven.

Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?

True Scale Space Marines: Tutorial, Posing, Conversions and other madness. The Brief and Humorous History of the Horus Heresy

 
   
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Good stuff and perfect scale!

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Great work, i may have to do some converting with my unbuilt marines
Have you put in any thought about replicating the process over to Terminators?

In the pic where youve added more plasticard to the legs. the guy on the left looks like hes checking out that leg wound you gave him
   
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 Muzzah wrote:
Great work, i may have to do some converting with my unbuilt marines
Have you put in any thought about replicating the process over to Terminators?

In the pic where youve added more plasticard to the legs. the guy on the left looks like hes checking out that leg wound you gave him

I have a process planned for Terminators, and a small supply of AoBR's to try it on. But I haven't gotten around to trying it out yet.

My thoughts on Terminators is that they shouldn't be too much taller than regular Marines, because after all, there's still a Space Marine in the suit, and he has to fit in there, lol.

Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?

True Scale Space Marines: Tutorial, Posing, Conversions and other madness. The Brief and Humorous History of the Horus Heresy

 
   
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I just found this thread and have decided to completely rip it off for my own marine chapter. Mostly just the way you extended the marines legs and waist, it gives them a much more superhuman feel. Also the shortened flamer looks a lot better. You might have mentioned this before but the waist extension, without the belt of gear, is it noticeable or no? Just wondering if it required any greenstuff work around or not. Good luck with the termi experimentation.

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If you're not going to load them down with gear, you will need to sculpt extended cabling/plating on the torsos and relocate the "belt buckle". Since the gear was always a part of my plan, it worked out that the gear covers up a lot of the "imperfections" in the process. I basically decided it was way too much effort to relocate the belts when the detail was getting covered up anyway.

In fact, the idea of loading them down with gear came before the decision to make them Tall Scale. So it was really just a pleasant time-saving side effect. I just happened to see a somewhat similar Tall Scale plog, and realized how much better the proportions looked once they were done. And thus, suddenly there was well over an hour's worth of effort invested into just the very basic assembly of a single Marine, lol.

If you're going to leave off the gear, there will definitely be greenstuff work required.

Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?

True Scale Space Marines: Tutorial, Posing, Conversions and other madness. The Brief and Humorous History of the Horus Heresy

 
   
 
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