Dakka decides the Deadliest 40k warrior ****"She's dead, Jim****

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**King Pariah**

Kain wrote:I love the Tyranids and even I recognize that this is not a fair match up. The Hive Tyrant is nowhere close to the Overlord in melee ability. If you're going to vote for the clearly inferior unit then you should at least come out and give your darned reasons!

Agreed 100%

Sort of just occurred to me that some people are stuck in the mindset that Crons suck in CC as a whole, that might be why... can't be certain, thus it'd be nice if reasons for Tyrant votes were given

**Kain**

King Pariah wrote:
Kain wrote:I love the Tyranids and even I recognize that this is not a fair match up. The Hive Tyrant is nowhere close to the Overlord in melee ability. If you're going to vote for the clearly inferior unit then you should at least come out and give your darned reasons!

Agreed 100%

Sort of just occurred to me that some people are stuck in the mindset that Crons suck in CC as a whole, that might be why... can't be certain, thus it'd be nice if reasons for Tyrant votes were given

I think people are assuming that the Tyrant's one extra wound is going to carry it the day. Well, not when it has no invulnerable save it's not!

**DarthSpader**

me and my gaming buddy just ran 10 1v1 battles with the tyrant and overlord. the overlord won 6 of the matches. they resulted (paraphrased) as:

1. tyrant win 2w ranged, finished in cc, RP failed
2. overlord win, tach arrow wounded, CC finish
3. overlord win, MSS =2w, overlord finished him 1 round CC
4. tyrant win, bad saves and RP on overlord
5. tyrant win, pretty close to round 1
6: overlord win, passed invuns, took 1 wound, but won in 2 rounds
7

verlord wins, tach arrow wound, finished in CC
8: overlord win, in 3 rounds.
9: overlord wins, 5 1/2 rounds. (lots of fail dice here on both sides)
10: tyrant wins, REALLY lucky shooting, and poor saves by overlord left him with 1 wound left in CC, and he failed his invun and RP after 1 round.

so the MSS only worked once, the tach arrow did its thing twice, it fired in 4 rounds, because base don ramdom first turn, the tyrant was able to close gap and charge T1. and failed to wound twice....damn those 1's.

so the overlord seems to have a definite edge. his high str warscythe, decent toughness, and invun, vrs so invun on the tyrant makes an issue. however the tyrant has the range edge, with a ton of shots. im a big fan of the tyrant myself, but i must agree.... the overlord has the combat edge here. simply because he combines good defence with pretty respectable (if not slow) offence.

**JbR of the Endless Spire**

The deamon prince is wrong, it can't take two powers unless it is a tzeentch DP. And if it is Tzeentch... seriously why gift of chaos over bolt of change? Also wings... that should keep it out of reach of the avatar... really if this were based on combat then it would be the DP (provided it didn't do anything stupid) however as a simple comparison of rules/stats and personal opinions then it would easily be the avatar.

EDIT: IIRC there may have been an errata about the number of psychic powers for MCs... am I right in thinking this?

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Also I voted Tyrant because of it's sheer close combat mass. Higher WS, S, T, W, A, I etc...

**LordTyphus**

Hive Tyrant for MCness, more reliable ranged and melee.

**nekronuke**

Hive tyrant, Psychic powers do help. paroxysm to reduce to initiative 1, etc.

**Sasori**

Also I voted Tyrant because of it's sheer close combat mass. Higher WS, S, T, W, A, I etc...

The Hive Tyrant has less strength than the Overlord. . He lacks the durability of an invul save and all of the insane gear, that the Overlord has.

Hive tyrant, Psychic powers do help. paroxysm to reduce to initiative 1, etc.

Paroxysm doesn't lower Init to 1. Not that it would even matter, the Overlord is Init 2... It's also a PSA attack, so he can't use it once he's in close combat.

I really don't understand the Votes for the HT here. He is just outclassed by the Overlord.

**Kain**

Are you people high or something? The Tyrant has no Invulnerable save, that's tantamount to an autolose against something like the Overlord which can smack the Tyrant down with a fethload of Warscythe hits while anything the Tyrant can dish out will bounce off the Overlord's 3++ save and Res Orb. Not to mention that a bonesword tyrant will instantly kill itself if the mindshackle scarabs go off so much as once for want of Eternal Warrior.

**TheKbob**

Haven't read the entire thread, but whomever gave the Thunderlord crappy ass gear needs shot...

Wolf Lord, Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield, Wolftooth Necklace, Wolf Tail Talisman, Runic Armour, Thunderwolf Mount, Saga of the Bear.

That load out, from my own personal experience, would destroy everything else on the list. An Ork Warboss would die from one hit... and only a 5++? Please. Twolf makes him base S5. x2 is S10. Instantgib that ork.

All the rest is meh, but that's a gross error in the whole whatever this is.

And whomever thinks a Hive tyrant could whip a Necron overlord (albiet, drop the awful Tachyon Arrow and get a 2+ armour save up there), hasn't seen bugs squashed... a lot.

**Lord Rogukiel**

TheKbob wrote:Haven't read the entire thread, but whomever gave the Thunderlord crappy ass gear needs shot...

Wolf Lord, Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield, Wolftooth Necklace, Wolf Tail Talisman, Runic Armour, Thunderwolf Mount, Saga of the Bear.

That load out, from my own personal experience, would destroy everything else on the list. An Ork Warboss would die from one hit... and only a 5++? Please. Twolf makes him base S5. x2 is S10. Instantgib that ork.

All the rest is meh, but that's a gross error in the whole whatever this is.

Maybe you should of, the gear of the characters has already been discussed. OP gathered these from people he knows, so they may not be optimal but that's just that.

**TheKbob**

Lord Rogukiel wrote:
Maybe you should of, the gear of the characters has already been discussed. OP gathered these from people he knows, so they may not be optimal but that's just that.

Well, if you don't run optimal gear, then what's the point? Seems like a circle jerk of nothing then.

You might as well change the title to "Derpiest Warrior" and move on. Seriously, who takes a PF and a Frost Blade?

**Kain**

Additionally, I nominate the SWARMLORD for special characters, and Old One Eye; just for the lulz.

**DarthSpader**

only a few hours left. looks like the tyrant is taking a bit of a lead on this one. maybe the overlord can blame this one on the refs...

as stated earlier, builds were submited by local gaming group. the point of this thread is to see if the dakka community agrees with, or achieves the same result. clearly not. in ours, the archon took the thing, and here that same archon died early on. i guess thats dice. anyway, lets see if the overlord can pull out the win here, or if the tyrant walks off.

**McNinja**

The only advantage the tyrant has is that it strikes first in CC. The Tachyon Arrow has infinite range (and S10 AP1), the Overlord strikes at S7 with a PW, and the Mindshackle Scarabs can make the Tyrant kill itself in the first round of combat, and the Tesseract Labyrinth makes the Tyrant auto-die on a 5+, assuming he has all of his wounds left.

**G. Whitenbeard**

S7 power-weapon warscythe attacks = bad day for invul-less Hive Tyrant.

**DarthSpader**

Special character nomination time.

- while i did clear out the ongoing edit that was the first post, in favor of the new one i DID save the information as a direct copy paste into word. so if anyone would like the info or details from the first post its still available.

my final thoughts are i do tend to agree the overlord should have won. but with so many votes its hard to argue results. feels like a cheat perhaps, as the tyrant voters were less vocal untill the end, but... thats the way these things go sometimes. overall was a well fought "campaign" and it went much better then i initially thought. with that, lets move on to the SC, and determine our combatants.

**Luke_Prowler**

Old Zogwort!

**Kain**

Let's carry the Joke character of old one eye all the way through.

Although realistically Abaddon the Despoiler is the deadliest.

**DarthSpader**

gotta have some with this eh? - added zogs to the ballot.

**Sunoccard**

Typhus of the Death Guard.

Imotekh

**G00fySmiley**

no mephiston?

voted ghaz but figured ole meph would be a named on the board

**TheAngrySquig**

Add in Bjorn, Njal, Ulrik, and Ragnr

**DarthSpader**

typhus, imo, meph, njal, ulrik and ragnor added... i believe bjorn is a dreadnought correct? since he is armor...gonna have to say no to that one

edit: i dont have the SW codex handy, so please forgive spelling errors. if anyone has the correct spelling i will update to correct if im wrong.

**TheAngrySquig**

You pput in Old One Eye, so I figured big guys were okay

**Testify**

You could make a program that calculated the results of thousands (millions?) of rounds of combat between them if you're going purely on stats.

**Castiel**

Kharn. Even if he loses he wins. After all, Khorne cares not from where the blood flows.

**DarthSpader**

@ angry squig... MC are kind of diffirent since they still operate on T and wounds. plus most IC have invuns to defend against the MC power weapons. dreads are an armor facing, and work on an entirely diffrent combat system. will probally do an "armor match" at some point.

if i had such skills to program such a device, i would - but that would defeat the purpose of the thread... however before each rounds match in this one, there will be 2 days of "stat debate" to discuss and compare stats, and so on before the actual voting begins.

**Testify**

I might make a program when I'm more sober

Would be very easy though.

**TheKbob**

Last Time: Poorly chosen wargear

This Time: Cannot spell Ragnar Blackmane correctly.

**DarthSpader**

As said kbob. Don't have the wolf dex handy, so I'm unsure on those guy's actual names/spelling. Post any corrections and I'm happy to edit.