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All this hogwash just makes pancake edition all the more probable.

And if it turns out to be true, well, I guess GW will find out if ruining BOTH your game mechanics AND setting has a negative impact on sales.

Oh, and they'd also royally feth FFG's writing...

Surely the 'Blood angels and Necrons' Reference is an Oh-so-subtle hint that the background details are complete Bollocks.

No matter what they do to the rules or the fluff, I bet that every single one of you that are complaining right now still play the game and buy GW products.

Mad4Minis wrote:No matter what they do to the rules or the fluff, I bet that every single one of you that are complaining right now still play the game and buy GW products.

I'd take that bet!

Especially with the 'no matter what they do' provision!

H.B.M.C. wrote:No. More like a four-way high-5 between a Firewarrior, an Ultramarine, a Blood Angel and a Necron.

Warhammer 40,000 6th Edition: Friendship is Magical!

Sorry, for some reason...

40k Players: What does 40k look like?





Though I might point out that it does nothing to the Jericho Reach, since that's taking place 100 years before the 'present' in 40k. So it's all good.

Why is everyone so upset? Now Smurfs can field armies with railguns, stealth suits, crisis suits...it's a way to keep SMs on top.

Perkustin wrote:Surely the 'Blood angels and Necrons' Reference is an Oh-so-subtle hint that the background details are complete Bollocks.

At least they didn't have a big ol feast together afterwards and let the Xenos-Aspect Warriors "honorably" bear the fallen Space Marines like Space Wolves did in the latest Codex. Really, compared to the Wolves-Eldar fling in 5th, the Blood Angel version is grim dark at its purest.

Agamemnon2 wrote:...the orderly gears of the community. :-)

...and what community would that be?

Snrub wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:Oh look another attempt to drum up more site traffic for ad revenue with a bunch of BS rumours. This isn't news or rumours it's a scam, time for this thread to be locked.

BoK has a good track record. Pretty much everything they post is gak, but that's GW's fault, not theirs.

Wait, what? It's GW's fault BoK is making up obviously bogus rumors? How in the everloving hell can you reach the conclusion GW is responsible for a person posting fake rumors? Have we just thrown logic completely out the window in favor of blind hate towards GW at this point?

He's saying that's it's GW's fault because they're the ones that made the final product of the rumours, such as the Sisters WD 'dex.
So, if there's unpopular rumours (such as these) that turn out to be true, then it's GW's fault.

Mad4Minis wrote:No matter what they do to the rules or the fluff, I bet that every single one of you that are complaining right now still play the game and buy GW products.

I'm inclined to agree tbh. minus the "every single one of you".

I dunno, I've tired of the intensely dogmatic Imperium where every army follows the Inquisition creed to the letter. It'd be a far better setting if Chapters could do their own thing according to their own values, as opposed to everyone in the galaxy marching to the beat of one drum.

If this means Necrons can be reasoned with by commanders crafty or desperate enough, so be it (and really, the modern necron backstory fully supports this).

I also don't get the hate of 8th edition fantasy-I LIKE 8th much more than 7th. Only thing I don't like about 8th is artillery fire being a no-brainer. 6th edition 40k following fantasy seems like a step in the right direction. I know my anti-40k buddies will make the jump in if these rumors prove true. Except that ridiculous ally thing. Blech!

Ventus wrote:I could see GW allowing this type of stuff to be leaked. Then when the rules come out and they are different, no matter how gakky some of it is, people will be "at least its not that thing that was rumoured so maybe its not so bad".

The Revenge of the Sith approach.

Well, the thing is, remember that all the guys that created that static universe are gone. All the guys that KEPT it a static universe are gone.

Matt Ward is coming. You'd better lube up, because fluff is about to be violated in a manner that is banned in fifteen countries....

BaronIveagh wrote:Well, the thing is, remember that all the guys that created that static universe are gone. All the guys that KEPT it a static universe are gone.

Matt Ward is coming. You'd better lube up, because fluff is about to be violated in a manner that is banned in fifteen countries....

And apparently we've reached the Ward Point.

Phil Kelly was one of the guys who "kept it a static universe"--and he's been changing it for years.
Andy Chambers was one of the guys who "created that static universe", and he changed it plenty while he was still with the company.

I could go on and on and on--but the point is that what Ward is doing has been done by those people who you obviously venerate.
Was it done so blatantly in some cases? Certainly not.

But let's not forget that Kelly wrote about an Ork destroying a Titan by crashing a motorcycle through it.

If psychic powers really get random, why stop there? Make all weapons of tanks and units random. Or do it like this

Step 1: Roll for game system: 1-2 LOTR, 3-4 Warhammer Fantasy, 5-6 Warhammer 40k.
Step 2: Roll for army/race.
Step 3: Roll for each chart in the FOC, starting with HQ. If a unit is incompatible with all previous units, roll again.
Step 4: Roll for equipment and special rules for each unit.
Step 5: Roll for terrain.
Step 6: Roll for special abilities of each terrain piece.
Step 7: Roll for missions.
Step 8: Roll for sides and who deploys first.
TBC

Well, technically these rumours speak of 'selecting' psychic powers instead of 'randomly picking' them. Could mean that Psykers that have to pick a number of spells from a 'library', such as Librarians or Rune Priests, get to do it after they know the mission and opponent, instead of at the time of army list creation.

Edit: of course, with the rest of the rumour tidbits being as silly as they are, take from that what you will.

Sheck2 wrote:Why is everyone so upset? Now Smurfs can field armies with railguns, stealth suits, crisis suits...it's a way to keep SMs on top.

Because if it is true, it's the equivalent of GW pulling down its cacks, squatting over the background and releasing the most almighty of logs on top of it.

But the last bit about the orks is a little bit OOT though, which makes me think the whole thing is a wind-up.

Just Dave wrote:

Cadaver wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:Oh look another attempt to drum up more site traffic for ad revenue with a bunch of BS rumours. This isn't news or rumours it's a scam, time for this thread to be locked.

BoK has a good track record. Pretty much everything they post is gak, but that's GW's fault, not theirs.

Wait, what? It's GW's fault BoK is making up obviously bogus rumors? How in the everloving hell can you reach the conclusion GW is responsible for a person posting fake rumors? Have we just thrown logic completely out the window in favor of blind hate towards GW at this point?

He's saying that's it's GW's fault because they're the ones that made the final product of the rumours, such as the Sisters WD 'dex.
So, if there's unpopular rumours (such as these) that turn out to be true, then it's GW's fault.

OK, thanks for clearing that up. He's just tossing in another "everything GW makes sucks" post instead of being mind-numbingly illogical, as I took it.

Also, you misquoted me as Snrub in your post.

Tyranids will not have any allies.

Could have been nice to bring back genestealer cults by letting them ally with imperial guard.

Unique characters should not be allowed to ally, that could help prevent even more fluff rape.

Mad4Minis wrote:No matter what they do to the rules or the fluff, I bet that every single one of you that are complaining right now still play the game and buy GW products.

Ah the foolish fanboys speak.

No, more then a few of us have stopped buying and even stopped playing. Our group of a dozen have abandoned GW completely, to the point of selling GW stuff off to buy warmhordes stuff. Or mailfax.

I doubt we're alone.

Mad4Minis wrote:No matter what they do to the rules or the fluff, I bet that every single one of you that are complaining right now still play the game and buy GW products.

I don't. I moved on to Warmachine and Hordes and left GW, their products, and their horrible attitude of profits over quality (in all aspects of their business) long ago. I just pop into these threads for the same reason people slow down when they see a car accident. Morbid curiosity.

Zweischneid wrote:

Perkustin wrote:Surely the 'Blood angels and Necrons' Reference is an Oh-so-subtle hint that the background details are complete Bollocks.

At least they didn't have a big ol feast together afterwards and let the Xenos-Aspect Warriors "honorably" bear the fallen Space Marines like Space Wolves did in the latest Codex. Really, compared to the Wolves-Eldar fling in 5th, the Blood Angel version is grim dark at its purest.

I take it you're referring to Page 19, under the story Alliances Broken. Which of course has the Autarch bearing some fallen Space Wolves. Although there's no feast, because there is a mistranslation and suddenly "blades are drawn". What happens after this?

Space Wolves Codex, Page 19 wrote:The sudden violence of the ensuing fight is but a shadow of the destruction that follows in the sector...

Yup, sounds like they're great chums....not.

Nice attempt at trying to change the story, you should be a politician! hahaha

@ Kanluwen- The difference is that the added to a static universe. They didn't change such central tenets like making it so that the Imperial Marines no longer hate aliens.

Honestly I don't really care because the only background I care about is 2nd edition or older, most of the new stuff just doesn't do it for me, and I bet I am not the only one.

I think my previous thought on allies may be accurate: look at pages 136-138 of the fantasy book on how allies work. They are not combined in a single list, rather two or more people teaming up.

Vladsimpaler wrote:
@ Kanluwen- The difference is that the added to a static universe. They didn't change such central tenets as Space Marines no longer hating aliens.

Uh...I think you need to go reread the original Tau codex.

1) An Imperial Fist Astartes accompanies an Imperial diplomat to deliver a message. He doesn't hulk out and "Raaawrgh, Xenos!".
2) The Damocles Gulf Crusade ended with the Astartes having a "newfound respect" for the Fire Caste.

You can hate someone and still work with them against a greater foe. See: the Allied Nations during WWII (Russia).

Kanluwen wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:
@ Kanluwen- The difference is that the added to a static universe. They didn't change such central tenets as Space Marines no longer hating aliens.

Uh...I think you need to go reread the original Tau codex.

1) An Imperial Fist Astartes accompanies an Imperial diplomat to deliver a message. He doesn't hulk out and "Raaawrgh, Xenos!".
2) The Damocles Gulf Crusade ended with the Astartes having a "newfound respect" for the Fire Caste.

You can hate someone and still work with them against a greater foe. See: the Allied Nations during WWII (Russia).

I would appreciate some page numbers so I could find exactly where the quotes are.
Like you've said before, context is key haha, I would like to know the full story
Personally I don't think you're like Zwershned or whatever his name is and that you're taking the quotes out of context/changing them, I'm just curious

Seem to remember that the Ultramarines chum up with the Tau in the Fire Warrior computer game.

That said the whole point of 40K is that all races are capable of kicking off against each other and will even fight amongst themselves. If you turn Ultramarines into the sacred guardians of Tau, you remove the potential that they will square off against each other in the game.

That is why that aspect of the rumour is male cow poop

Vladsimpaler wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:
@ Kanluwen- The difference is that the added to a static universe. They didn't change such central tenets as Space Marines no longer hating aliens.

Uh...I think you need to go reread the original Tau codex.

1) An Imperial Fist Astartes accompanies an Imperial diplomat to deliver a message. He doesn't hulk out and "Raaawrgh, Xenos!".
2) The Damocles Gulf Crusade ended with the Astartes having a "newfound respect" for the Fire Caste.

You can hate someone and still work with them against a greater foe. See: the Allied Nations during WWII (Russia).

I would appreciate some page numbers so I could find exactly where the quotes are.
Like you've said before, context is key haha, I would like to know the full story
Personally I don't think you're like Zwershned or whatever his name is and that you're taking the quotes out of context/changing them, I'm just curious

Pages 54 and 55 are the Imperial Fist accompanying the Adept to the Tau city.
Page 60 has the part leading up to the "respect" line.

It even mentions that "The first seeds of cooperation were sown, though these would take time to bloom in the aftermath of such a brutal conflict".
Please remember that this is Codex: Tau, not Codex: Tau Empire.
It was written by Andy Chambers, Pete Haines, and Graham McNeill.

Allies would be fun.

I would love to include an inquisitor and henchmen in an SM are purely for fluffy fun-times... but that's not really anything I can't do without a house rule anyways...

The rest of this seems just completely random. I wouldn't be overly upset if they did all that stuff but it would make me question exactly how they thought they were improving the game as a whole.

SM protecting TAU and those strange alliances are the worst part for me.

I don't play much, so any rule change is worth a try. But fluff is important, and there are some things that should be engraved on stone. Not everything is untouchable, but mankind survaibility depends only on humans! They may be wrong about that strong xenophoby, and this is one of the better things in Imperium: they don't trust in any other race. Eldar have tried to warn mankind about key events so many times, but IG, SM, GK, SoB... always ignore them (at least in part), even if it drives Imperium to self drestruction. To me, this blindness is one of the best parts!

If they wanted Tau having a major part in the fluff (I think they deserve it), they could simply write that they discovered something that helps stopping the unstoppable Tyranids thanks to their fast growing technology. Not destroying them but slowing their advance. I'm not a writer, so someone smarter than me sure could imagine anything better.

And alliances... Poor tyranid players will have to face cross army combos while they still wait for a plastic Harpy. I think that, if this comes true, Matt Ward rage will be a relic compared to brand new "new rulebook fluff writer" rage.

Flashman wrote:Seem to remember that the Ultramarines chum up with the Tau in the Fire Warrior computer game.

I don't remember the Ultramarines being in the Fire Warrior computer game. I remember the Raptors being in there though.