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At the end of the day, this seems to be coming down to fast vs. slow zombies debate, an eternal argument since 28 days later (which interestingly enough didn't actually have zombies in it). Even Simon Pegg has chimed in on this new type of nerd debate.

Me, I'm actually in the minority that prefers fast zombies. I find them more threatening and less comical. I think you can capture the "sadness" slow zombies have by showing their utterly inhuman and vicious nature from what they once were, something 28 days later did effectively.

I AM READY FOR CRUCIFICTION.

 Harriticus wrote:
At the end of the day, this seems to be coming down to fast vs. slow zombies debate, an eternal argument since 28 days later (which interestingly enough didn't actually have zombies in it). Even Simon Pegg has chimed in on this new type of nerd debate.

Me, I'm actually in the minority that prefers fast zombies. I find them more threatening and less comical. I think you can capture the "sadness" slow zombies have by showing their utterly inhuman and vicious nature from what they once were, something 28 days later did effectively.

I AM READY FOR CRUCIFICTION.

That doesn't look like fast zombies. It looks like a wave. Er ok...

Heh, I remember watching this being filmed. Pretty much all my asian friends are in it (we spent the day at college picking everyone out). Funny that most of the security and extras in the film are American though, despite it being filmed in Scotland in Spain though. =P

Yeah, this is beyond fast zombies, it's more like moving human carpet...

Regardless of your preference when it comes to zombie speed, be it shuffling or full out Kenyan, nothing changes the fact that this movie carries the title from a book that had shuffling zombies. Apparently Brad Pitt isn't even on speaking terms with the director... so... yeah...

I don't know, it kind of makes sense really. You take the number of corpses in the world, which is a lot, then you remove the ability to feel pain and get tired from running, and in a single motivation and they probably would move in huge (HUGE!) swarms that would be similar to waves.

 Ahtman wrote:
I don't know, it kind of makes sense really. You take the number of corpses in the world, which is a lot, then you remove the ability to feel pain and get tired from running, and in a single motivation and they probably would move in huge (HUGE!) swarms that would be similar to waves.

The inability to feel tired doesn't mean they are limitless olympic runners. Running so fast they break against a wall like a storm wave? Meh.

As noted I liked the parts where it wasn't a wave or where the zombies could climb a wall like a bunch of half gymnasts/half ants.
I did like that "YOU WILL STAY IN YOUR CAR" ZZZZZZZZZZZZZAP! scene. hehe.

 Ahtman wrote:
I don't know, it kind of makes sense really. You take the number of corpses in the world, which is a lot, then you remove the ability to feel pain and get tired from running, and in a single motivation and they probably would move in huge (HUGE!) swarms that would be similar to waves.

The problem isn't the muscles. Zombies don't fatigue, because their brains are working at a very basic level, so we accept superior strength and endurance. The trade off tends to be that this basic brain lacks coordination. Running that fast and climbing takes a great amount of coordination, something zombies are not know for.

I don't mind fast zombies. The "zombies" in 28 days later I think are perfect for fresh zombies. Fast, strong, but not terribly coordinated, unable to climb anything more difficult than a flight of stairs at a decent clip. The zombies in this clip are some kind super zombie, not only could they climb a tree, it looks like they can scale vertical walls!

 Andrew1975 wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
I don't know, it kind of makes sense really. You take the number of corpses in the world, which is a lot, then you remove the ability to feel pain and get tired from running, and in a single motivation and they probably would move in huge (HUGE!) swarms that would be similar to waves.

The problem isn't the muscles. Zombies don't fatigue, because their brains are working at a very basic level, so we accept superior strength and endurance. The trade off tends to be that this basic brain lacks coordination. Running that fast and climbing takes a great amount of coordination, something zombies are not know for.

I don't mind fast zombies. The "zombies" in 28 days later I think are perfect for fresh zombies. Fast, strong, but not terribly coordinated, unable to climb anything more difficult than a flight of stairs at a decent clip. The zombies in this clip are some kind super zombie, not only could they climb a tree, it looks like they can scale vertical walls!

Well there is the issue of continued stress on decaying muscles. Without the brain to say "stop & rest" muscles do become fatigued. The zombies just don't have the higher function to know this and so they keep pushing the muscles until they break. Take in to account the moment they die, muscles start to decay and are unable to repair damages.

They could be fast, but only for as long as the muscles hold out. As soon as the muscles start to go, so too does the zombies power.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

I don't mind fast zombies. The "zombies" in 28 days later I think are perfect for fresh zombies. Fast, strong, but not terribly coordinated, unable to climb anything more difficult than a flight of stairs at a decent clip. The zombies in this clip are some kind super zombie, not only could they climb a tree, it looks like they can scale vertical walls!

Quite true, these are super zombies. It's like the virus made them up to 3x stronger and faster than normal humans in addition to giving them high invulnerability and immortality.

I am just glad they are showing off other parts of the world and not just USA. But I not glad that they are able to get over Israeli wall, Israel survived by making that wall and they will bring it down here.

 ProtoClone wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
I don't know, it kind of makes sense really. You take the number of corpses in the world, which is a lot, then you remove the ability to feel pain and get tired from running, and in a single motivation and they probably would move in huge (HUGE!) swarms that would be similar to waves.

The problem isn't the muscles. Zombies don't fatigue, because their brains are working at a very basic level, so we accept superior strength and endurance. The trade off tends to be that this basic brain lacks coordination. Running that fast and climbing takes a great amount of coordination, something zombies are not know for.

I don't mind fast zombies. The "zombies" in 28 days later I think are perfect for fresh zombies. Fast, strong, but not terribly coordinated, unable to climb anything more difficult than a flight of stairs at a decent clip. The zombies in this clip are some kind super zombie, not only could they climb a tree, it looks like they can scale vertical walls!

Well there is the issue of continued stress on decaying muscles. Without the brain to say "stop & rest" muscles do become fatigued. The zombies just don't have the higher function to know this and so they keep pushing the muscles until they break. Take in to account the moment they die, muscles start to decay and are unable to repair damages.

They could be fast, but only for as long as the muscles hold out. As soon as the muscles start to go, so too does the zombies power.

Right, fresh zombies vs older zombies. I always imagine the slow zombies are a few days old.

I guess I meant to say the simple zombies brains don't feel or react to fatigue the same way we do. They will push a body part to destruction, but the brain will still push it. Remember fatigue is just a build up of chemicals in the muscle, its not really damage. No a zombie that tears a peck is not going to be able to heal it, but he is still going to use it until he rips it to shreds.

It also depends on the brand of Zombie because no two appear to be the same, but if i remember correctly WWZ Zombies will rot and fall apart eventually. The ones in cold climates last longer, but they also freeze and thaw out in the spring for fresh attacks.

I think the zombie metaphor is breaking down like this. Slow zombies are the ever present, unrelenting march toward death and the grave. You can run and even hide but eventually they will catch you. There is no future.

The fast zombies represent plague and contagion. The fear of the process of dying but not of death itself. You can try to fight it but everything is spiralling out of control, civilization is collapsing, and nobody has a way to stop it. There is no hope.

 Breotan wrote:
I think the zombie metaphor is breaking down like this. Slow zombies are the ever present, unrelenting march toward death and the grave. You can run and even hide but eventually they will catch you. There is no future.

The fast zombies represent plague and contagion. The fear of the process of dying but not of death itself. You can try to fight it but everything is spiralling out of control, civilization is collapsing, and nobody has a way to stop it. There is no hope.

Really "Zombie" is a catch all phrase. There are about a million types ranging from the truly classic voodoo zombie (drugged out person) to mythical undead, we also have the "Ramaro" Zombie that is basically completely unexplainable and changes from movie to movie, and even the "28 days" Zombie and everything in between.

My issue is that WWZ Zombies are described in detail in the source material. The ones in this clip do not appear to be WWZ zombies.

 Breotan wrote:
I think the zombie metaphor is breaking down like this. Slow zombies are the ever present, unrelenting march toward death and the grave. You can run and even hide but eventually they will catch you. There is no future.

The fast zombies represent plague and contagion. The fear of the process of dying but not of death itself. You can try to fight it but everything is spiralling out of control, civilization is collapsing, and nobody has a way to stop it. There is no hope.

I always thought slow zombies were a metaphor for conformity. The ever present, ever consuming, drive to belong or fight to be yourself.

 ProtoClone wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I think the zombie metaphor is breaking down like this. Slow zombies are the ever present, unrelenting march toward death and the grave. You can run and even hide but eventually they will catch you. There is no future.

The fast zombies represent plague and contagion. The fear of the process of dying but not of death itself. You can try to fight it but everything is spiralling out of control, civilization is collapsing, and nobody has a way to stop it. There is no hope.

I always thought slow zombies were a metaphor for conformity. The ever present, ever consuming, drive to belong or fight to be yourself.

I always thought slow zombies were just slow, and fast ones were harder to hit. But I'm not a deep thinker.

 Frazzled wrote:

 ProtoClone wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I think the zombie metaphor is breaking down like this. Slow zombies are the ever present, unrelenting march toward death and the grave. You can run and even hide but eventually they will catch you. There is no future.

The fast zombies represent plague and contagion. The fear of the process of dying but not of death itself. You can try to fight it but everything is spiralling out of control, civilization is collapsing, and nobody has a way to stop it. There is no hope.

I always thought slow zombies were a metaphor for conformity. The ever present, ever consuming, drive to belong or fight to be yourself.

I always thought slow zombies were just slow, and fast ones were harder to hit. But I'm not a deep thinker.

You may be on to something there.

 Frazzled wrote:

 ProtoClone wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I think the zombie metaphor is breaking down like this. Slow zombies are the ever present, unrelenting march toward death and the grave. You can run and even hide but eventually they will catch you. There is no future.

The fast zombies represent plague and contagion. The fear of the process of dying but not of death itself. You can try to fight it but everything is spiralling out of control, civilization is collapsing, and nobody has a way to stop it. There is no hope.

I always thought slow zombies were a metaphor for conformity. The ever present, ever consuming, drive to belong or fight to be yourself.

I always thought slow zombies were just slow, and fast ones were harder to hit. But I'm not a deep thinker.

*ahem*
Here's your shopping list:
http://cavemancircus.com/2012/07/11/your-essential-shopping-list-for-the-zombie-apocalypse/
My favorite is (spoiler'ed for bad language):

 Andrew1975 wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I think the zombie metaphor is breaking down like this. Slow zombies are the ever present, unrelenting march toward death and the grave. You can run and even hide but eventually they will catch you. There is no future.

The fast zombies represent plague and contagion. The fear of the process of dying but not of death itself. You can try to fight it but everything is spiralling out of control, civilization is collapsing, and nobody has a way to stop it. There is no hope.

Really "Zombie" is a catch all phrase. There are about a million types ranging from the truly classic voodoo zombie (drugged out person) to mythical undead, we also have the "Ramaro" Zombie that is basically completely unexplainable and changes from movie to movie, and even the "28 days" Zombie and everything in between.

My issue is that WWZ Zombies are described in detail in the source material. The ones in this clip do not appear to be WWZ zombies.

+1

I think the issue a lot of fans take is that this movie using the world war z name is laughing in the face of the book.

Okay, from the trailer, I got 3 things. Nuclear bomb. at least one nuke. I think more. The armada at sea is happening as well.

Centralising to one hero is pretty hard to do, so I will reserve judgement until I actually see the movie, but in hindsight, I think that this is actually a movie view now.

I mean considering Pitt's character is the mercenary.

What I hate is that 98% percent of the people who profess to hate this trailer will still go see it in the theater. Which is what always happens, and why the movie industry feels no pressure to actually deliver a good, well adapted product.

I mean, transformers guys. If you keep going to the theaters, they'll just keep making em.






That said, I will probably go see this in the theater. Bastards.

This zombie theme just won't lie down and die.

It never will.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
This zombie theme just won't lie down and die.

Where did I leave my "I see what you just did there" meme lying around?

 Kilkrazy wrote:
This zombie theme just won't lie down and die.

Now we've evolved into heartfelt stories of heroic surfer dudes trying to hang ten on the gnarliest waves of zombies he can find, much to the chagrin of his girlfriend.

 whembly wrote:

*ahem*
Here's your shopping list:
http://cavemancircus.com/2012/07/11/your-essential-shopping-list-for-the-zombie-apocalypse/
My favorite is (spoiler'ed for bad language):

Spoiler:

Please sir, when the zombies come for you, you'll regret not owning a RPC-(rocket propelled chainsaw)

Looks like Starship Zombies

I would rather have character actors showing small snippets of action in an ongoing TV series/interviews than this.

you know, if you replaced the soldiers with imperial guard, Bradd Pitt with a comissar and the zombie scenes with Tyranids, this would be an awesome looking movie.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

The problem isn't the muscles. Zombies don't fatigue, because their brains are working at a very basic level, so we accept superior strength and endurance. The trade off tends to be that this basic brain lacks coordination. Running that fast and climbing takes a great amount of coordination, something zombies are not know for.

Zombies are a complete scientific impossiblity. You can't have it both ways, what ever magic that could actually make zombies could also allow them to do virtually anything. Even surfing, apparently.

It looked interesting, right until the zombie tidal waves and the Zombie Tower (tm). Fast zombies can work (28 Days Later) but super fast, highly agile zombies just don't.

Palindrome wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:

The problem isn't the muscles. Zombies don't fatigue, because their brains are working at a very basic level, so we accept superior strength and endurance. The trade off tends to be that this basic brain lacks coordination. Running that fast and climbing takes a great amount of coordination, something zombies are not know for.

Zombies are a complete scientific impossiblity. You can't have it both ways, what ever magic that could actually make zombies could also allow them to do virtually anything. Even surfing, apparently.

It looked interesting, right until the zombie tidal waves and the Zombie Tower (tm). Fast zombies can work (28 Days Later) but super fast, highly agile zombies just don't.

I think a real good "zombie" movie is the Parasite kind... ala, Slither.

On of the best zombie films that I have seen is Shivers (the David Cronenberg film with 'love' zombies). Its even semi plausable and no one gets eaten.

There was a French film, Les Revenants, where the recently dead rise, but basically as there previous selves. It looks at the bureaucratic nightmare caused by the sudden influx of so many humans back onto the scene, as well as the emotional toll. No brain eating there either. I wouldn't actually classify it as a zombie movie, but it pops up on lists of zombie movies sometimes, so why not.