ZebioLizard2 wrote:

They probably wouldn't have such a poor player base if they didn't keep them without updates for so long! Also known as the "Cycle of Fail". Because GW devotes all its resources to SM, others get left behind, those that get left behind, get less popular because they start to suck, and then nobody uses them, thus they end up with no player base!

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:

 Arcani wrote:
This:

-Codex: Space Marines (or Adeptus Astartes): All marines in one. Each of the main (BA, Ultra, BT, White Scars, DA, Salamanders, SW, Raven Guard, Imperial Fists, Crimson Fists and Iron Hands) gets their own devoted special rules page and hero.
-Codex: Imperial Guard: Same as Marines, normal guard with some more tanks and maybe some more specialist units, but: DKoK, Cadia, Catachan, Mordian Guard, Tallarn, Tanith First, Elysians and Valhallans each get their own page with special rules and their own hero.
-Codex: Inquisition: Grey Knights, Sisters, Deathwatch and Inquisitors all in one.

-Codex Ork Klans: Orks, with heroes, that provide special rules, and special clan rules.

-Codex Deamons of Caos: the horrors of the Warp.
-Codex Legions of Chaos: Traitor marines and traitor guard, including things like the Blood Pact; again with special rules per each god, and special characters that give overall traits.

-Codex: Craftworld Eldar: Eldar, with heroes, that provide special rules, and special craftworld rules.
-Codex: Dark Eldar: DE. with heroes, that provide special rules, and special cabal rules.

-Codex: Necrons: Necrons, with heroes, that provide special rules, and special tomb world rules.

-Codex: Tau: Tau Empire, with heroes, that provide special rules, and special sept rules. Maybe some purely alien auxiliary armies like Kroot (not Vespid though, they aren't widespread enough.)

-Codex: Tyranids: Tyranids, with heroes, that provide special rules, and special hive fleet rules, like Behemoth gains Known Enemy: Space Marines, or even more specific, Ultramarines.

Now, I know that this will cause a lot of problems. This would basically require a reboot of almost the whole game, but I think it would be worth it, as long as Games Workshop shows us that they are at least capable of rational thinking. And it also lowers the codex volume by 4.
Another problem would be the amount of specializations an army could have and the confusion this might cause. You could have a, not only Space Marines or IG or Tau army, but a Space Marines White Scars very fast army, or Imperial Guard Artillery Regiment with close defense units, or a Tau version of the Halo: ODST.
I think this would be awesome, not only because it would make games (and lists a lot more challenging) but it would make specialist armies a whole lot cheaper (Games Workshop does hate this though) to build. I have a friend who likes BA and SW, and he almost literally had to buy two armies that were almost completely identical except for Commander Dante/Njal Stormcaller and the Sanguinary Guard/Wolf Guard.
This system of mini-dexes within a codex also is technically a new codex, for the OP.

Same thing like I said, and this would be the best way becaue you can try almost every mix.
Like they guys said: "Space Marines White Scars very fast army, or Imperial Guard Artillery Regiment with close defense units, or a Tau version of the Halo: ODST." So everybody woud lbe able to build the army they like.

The only correction I would add here: Sisters of Battle shoud lbe in Codex: Adeptus Ministorum or Codex: Ecclesiarchy. The yare army of the Imperial Chruch, not Inquisition.

 Isthatagreengreyknight? wrote:
Honestly, i think they should rewrite C:GK, and introduce,
Codex: Ordo Malleus
Codex: Ordo Xenos
Codex: Ordo Hereticus
It'll be 1st, super cool to see what a hereticus army would look like, 2nd, love for Deathwatch, and 3rd C:GK will stop being C:Shiny Marines With Power Weapons and fluff-murder
unfortunately, with the recent amount of Ward in Gw, it's more likely to be Codex: Ultramarines before my wish is granted.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

I'm sorry you hate the multiple Marine codices so much, but consider that the profits GW pulls in off of those full-sized books is what allowed them to re-invent and re-release long neglected armies with little to no player base like DE or Necrons.

They probably wouldn't have such a poor player base if they didn't keep them without updates for so long! Also known as the "Cycle of Fail". Because GW devotes all its resources to SM, others get left behind, those that get left behind, get less popular because they start to suck, and then nobody uses them, thus they end up with no player base!

 Isthatagreengreyknight? wrote:
Honestly, i think they should rewrite C:GK, and introduce,
Codex: Ordo Malleus
Codex: Ordo Xenos
Codex: Ordo Hereticus
It'll be 1st, super cool to see what a hereticus army would look like, 2nd, love for Deathwatch, and 3rd C:GK will stop being C:Shiny Marines With Power Weapons and fluff-murder
unfortunately, with the recent amount of Ward in Gw, it's more likely to be Codex: Ultramarines before my wish is granted.

 Tamwulf wrote:
GW can't keep up with the armies it has, and you want a new faction?

We are in the 6th Edition of Warhammer 40K, and there are still armies using codex books from 3rd Edition.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Tamwulf wrote:
GW can't keep up with the armies it has, and you want a new faction?

We are in the 6th Edition of Warhammer 40K, and there are still armies using codex books from 3rd Edition.

The oldest Codex (Black Templars) is from 4th edition...

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

I'm sorry you hate the multiple Marine codices so much, but consider that the profits GW pulls in off of those full-sized books is what allowed them to re-invent and re-release long neglected armies with little to no player base like DE or Necrons.

They probably wouldn't have such a poor player base if they didn't keep them without updates for so long! Also known as the "Cycle of Fail". Because GW devotes all its resources to SM, others get left behind, those that get left behind, get less popular because they start to suck, and then nobody uses them, thus they end up with no player base!

Apart from the Vanilla Codex, the only Marine Codex released during 5th edition that wasn't two editions old was the Blood Angels Codec, which was updated from a White Dwarf PDF. It's almost as if all the Space Marine Codices updated during 5th (again, apart from Vanilla, which is more or less the base against which other Codices are judged) weren't updated just because they were Space Marines, as is often implied, but because their books were flippin' ancient. If GW updated every Marine Codex every edition you might have an argument, but they don't. Marine armies wait just as long for their update (excepting Vanilla) as any other faction.

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Yes.
Codex: Iron Hands
Codex: Deathwatch
Codex: Salamanders
Codex: Crimson Fists
Codex: White Scars
Codex: Imperial Fists
Codex: Ultramarines
Codex: Raven Guard


Hey GW, do you guys read this?

 Arcani wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Tamwulf wrote:
GW can't keep up with the armies it has, and you want a new faction?

We are in the 6th Edition of Warhammer 40K, and there are still armies using codex books from 3rd Edition.

The oldest Codex (Black Templars) is from 4th edition...

Ahem, Tau, Eldar, Deamons.


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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

I'm sorry you hate the multiple Marine codices so much, but consider that the profits GW pulls in off of those full-sized books is what allowed them to re-invent and re-release long neglected armies with little to no player base like DE or Necrons.

They probably wouldn't have such a poor player base if they didn't keep them without updates for so long! Also known as the "Cycle of Fail". Because GW devotes all its resources to SM, others get left behind, those that get left behind, get less popular because they start to suck, and then nobody uses them, thus they end up with no player base!

Apart from the Vanilla Codex, the only Marine Codex released during 5th edition that wasn't two editions old was the Blood Angels Codec, which was updated from a White Dwarf PDF. It's almost as if all the Space Marine Codices updated during 5th (again, apart from Vanilla, which is more or less the base against which other Codices are judged) weren't updated just because they were Space Marines, as is often implied, but because their books were flippin' ancient. If GW updated every Marine Codex every edition you might have an argument, but they don't. Marine armies wait just as long for their update (excepting Vanilla) as any other faction.

Yeah, but the armies updated to 5th Ed were:
SM
BA
SW
GK

CSM
Orks
Dark Eldar
Necrons
IG
Tyranids

Thats 4/10, 2/5, that's a lot if you ask me. Especially when the Imperium is supposed to be "outnumbered, outgunned and outmatched."

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
But it really shouldn't be 8/16 Imperial armies!

 Arcani wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Tamwulf wrote:
GW can't keep up with the armies it has, and you want a new faction?

We are in the 6th Edition of Warhammer 40K, and there are still armies using codex books from 3rd Edition.

The oldest Codex (Black Templars) is from 4th edition...

Ahem, Tau and Eldar.


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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

I'm sorry you hate the multiple Marine codices so much, but consider that the profits GW pulls in off of those full-sized books is what allowed them to re-invent and re-release long neglected armies with little to no player base like DE or Necrons.

They probably wouldn't have such a poor player base if they didn't keep them without updates for so long! Also known as the "Cycle of Fail". Because GW devotes all its resources to SM, others get left behind, those that get left behind, get less popular because they start to suck, and then nobody uses them, thus they end up with no player base!

Apart from the Vanilla Codex, the only Marine Codex released during 5th edition that wasn't two editions old was the Blood Angels Codec, which was updated from a White Dwarf PDF. It's almost as if all the Space Marine Codices updated during 5th (again, apart from Vanilla, which is more or less the base against which other Codices are judged) weren't updated just because they were Space Marines, as is often implied, but because their books were flippin' ancient. If GW updated every Marine Codex every edition you might have an argument, but they don't. Marine armies wait just as long for their update (excepting Vanilla) as any other faction.

Yeah, but the armies updated to 5th Ed were:
SM
BA
SW
GK

CSM
Orks
Dark Eldar
Necrons
IG
Tyranids

Thats 4/10, 2/5, that's a lot if you ask me. Especially when the Imperium is supposed to be "outnumbered, outgunned and outmatched."

zephoid wrote:
They cant keep up with a decent codex release cycle as it is. No

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
But it really shouldn't be 8/16 Imperial armies!

 captain collius wrote:

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
But it really shouldn't be 8/16 Imperial armies!

Please give a Logical reason as to why not.

Here are some reasons why Xenos/Chaos Armies are less Represented

Eldar-There are few Craftworlds and consequently few Eldar.
Tau- A blip on the imperial radar that most people don't even know about.
Dark Eldar- Comorragh is one city so there aren't that many of them.
Necrons-Okay not all are waking up.
Orks- They are numerous but they don't need much more to continue being crazy fun. Ask most ork players they just want price tweaks and a few new fun toys.
Deamons-Yeah not that numerous.
Chaos Spess Marines- They are only really around a few places.
Tyranids-No one has a clue.

The Imperium of Man is huge the rest of the factions are not.

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:

 captain collius wrote:

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
But it really shouldn't be 8/16 Imperial armies!

Please give a Logical reason as to why not.

Here are some reasons why Xenos/Chaos Armies are less Represented

Eldar-There are few Craftworlds and consequently few Eldar.
Tau- A blip on the imperial radar that most people don't even know about.
Dark Eldar- Comorragh is one city so there aren't that many of them.
Necrons-Okay not all are waking up.
Orks- They are numerous but they don't need much more to continue being crazy fun. Ask most ork players they just want price tweaks and a few new fun toys.
Deamons-Yeah not that numerous.
Chaos Spess Marines- They are only really around a few places.
Tyranids-No one has a clue.

The Imperium of Man is huge the rest of the factions are not.

You're telling me that there aren't any more Xenos factions in the entire galaxy?

There's the Ulumeathic Confederation.
The chaps on the Grendl Stars.
Genestealer Cults.

There's several more armies that they could do or pull out of their ass before making any more imperials.

But even if you look at what Imperial armies there are:
- Vanilla Marines
- SW
- BA
- BT
- DA
- GK
- SoB
- IG

5/8 are fething Marines! And they're only tiny chapters! Are you telling me that there aren't specialised IG regiments that cannot be represented by other non-FW codices?

Also, what about Traitor Legions? They're massive and unique - World Eaters are incredibly different to Emperor's Children - yet they're lumped in with the rest of the 'orrible lot. Yet somehow Black fething Templars are more deserving than the remnants of a mighty legion that has existed for 10,000 years in some shape or form?

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:

 captain collius wrote:

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
But it really shouldn't be 8/16 Imperial armies!

Please give a Logical reason as to why not.

Here are some reasons why Xenos/Chaos Armies are less Represented

Eldar-There are few Craftworlds and consequently few Eldar.
Tau- A blip on the imperial radar that most people don't even know about.
Dark Eldar- Comorragh is one city so there aren't that many of them.
Necrons-Okay not all are waking up.
Orks- They are numerous but they don't need much more to continue being crazy fun. Ask most ork players they just want price tweaks and a few new fun toys.
Deamons-Yeah not that numerous.
Chaos Spess Marines- They are only really around a few places.
Tyranids-No one has a clue.

The Imperium of Man is huge the rest of the factions are not.

You're telling me that there aren't any more Xenos factions in the entire galaxy?

There's the Ulumeathic Confederation.
The chaps on the Grendl Stars.
Genestealer Cults.

There's several more armies that they could do or pull out of their ass before making any more imperials.

But even if you look at what Imperial armies there are:
- Vanilla Marines
- SW
- BA
- BT
- DA
- GK
- SoB
- IG

5/8 are fething Marines! And they're only tiny chapters! Are you telling me that there aren't specialised IG regiments that cannot be represented by other non-FW codices?

Also, what about Traitor Legions? They're massive and unique - World Eaters are incredibly different to Emperor's Children - yet they're lumped in with the rest of the 'orrible lot. Yet somehow Black fething Templars are more deserving than the remnants of a mighty legion that has existed for 10,000 years in some shape or form?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:

 captain collius wrote:

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
But it really shouldn't be 8/16 Imperial armies!

Please give a Logical reason as to why not.

Here are some reasons why Xenos/Chaos Armies are less Represented

Eldar-There are few Craftworlds and consequently few Eldar.
Tau- A blip on the imperial radar that most people don't even know about.
Dark Eldar- Comorragh is one city so there aren't that many of them.
Necrons-Okay not all are waking up.
Orks- They are numerous but they don't need much more to continue being crazy fun. Ask most ork players they just want price tweaks and a few new fun toys.
Deamons-Yeah not that numerous.
Chaos Spess Marines- They are only really around a few places.
Tyranids-No one has a clue.

The Imperium of Man is huge the rest of the factions are not.

You're telling me that there aren't any more Xenos factions in the entire galaxy?

There's the Ulumeathic Confederation.
The chaps on the Grendl Stars.
Genestealer Cults.

There's several more armies that they could do or pull out of their ass before making any more imperials.

But even if you look at what Imperial armies there are:
- Vanilla Marines
- SW
- BA
- BT
- DA
- GK
- SoB
- IG

5/8 are fething Marines! And they're only tiny chapters! Are you telling me that there aren't specialised IG regiments that cannot be represented by other non-FW codices?

Also, what about Traitor Legions? They're massive and unique - World Eaters are incredibly different to Emperor's Children - yet they're lumped in with the rest of the 'orrible lot. Yet somehow Black fething Templars are more deserving than the remnants of a mighty legion that has existed for 10,000 years in some shape or form?

Said "Black fething Templars" ARE the remnants of a mighty legion that has existed for 10,000 years in some way, shape or form. Thanks for playing though.

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:

 captain collius wrote:

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
But it really shouldn't be 8/16 Imperial armies!

Please give a Logical reason as to why not.

Here are some reasons why Xenos/Chaos Armies are less Represented

Eldar-There are few Craftworlds and consequently few Eldar.
Tau- A blip on the imperial radar that most people don't even know about.
Dark Eldar- Comorragh is one city so there aren't that many of them.
Necrons-Okay not all are waking up.
Orks- They are numerous but they don't need much more to continue being crazy fun. Ask most ork players they just want price tweaks and a few new fun toys.
Deamons-Yeah not that numerous.
Chaos Spess Marines- They are only really around a few places.
Tyranids-No one has a clue.

The Imperium of Man is huge the rest of the factions are not.

You're telling me that there aren't any more Xenos factions in the entire galaxy?

There's the Ulumeathic Confederation.
The chaps on the Grendl Stars.
Genestealer Cults.

There's several more armies that they could do or pull out of their ass before making any more imperials.

But even if you look at what Imperial armies there are:
- Vanilla Marines
- SW
- BA
- BT
- DA
- GK
- SoB
- IG

5/8 are fething Marines! And they're only tiny chapters! Are you telling me that there aren't specialised IG regiments that cannot be represented by other non-FW codices?

Also, what about Traitor Legions? They're massive and unique - World Eaters are incredibly different to Emperor's Children - yet they're lumped in with the rest of the 'orrible lot. Yet somehow Black fething Templars are more deserving than the remnants of a mighty legion that has existed for 10,000 years in some shape or form?

Said "Black fething Templars" ARE the remnants of a mighty legion that has existed for 10,000 years in some way, shape or form. Thanks for playing though.

What? The Black Templars are somehow the equal of the World Eaters, the Death Guard, the Emperor's Children, the Black Legion, Thousand Sons, Alpha Legion etc? Even though at best a Black Templar warrior is 700 years old while a member of the World Eaters may be able to remember events that happened 10,000 years ago?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:

 captain collius wrote:

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
But it really shouldn't be 8/16 Imperial armies!

Please give a Logical reason as to why not.

Here are some reasons why Xenos/Chaos Armies are less Represented

Eldar-There are few Craftworlds and consequently few Eldar.
Tau- A blip on the imperial radar that most people don't even know about.
Dark Eldar- Comorragh is one city so there aren't that many of them.
Necrons-Okay not all are waking up.
Orks- They are numerous but they don't need much more to continue being crazy fun. Ask most ork players they just want price tweaks and a few new fun toys.
Deamons-Yeah not that numerous.
Chaos Spess Marines- They are only really around a few places.
Tyranids-No one has a clue.

The Imperium of Man is huge the rest of the factions are not.

You're telling me that there aren't any more Xenos factions in the entire galaxy?

There's the Ulumeathic Confederation.
The chaps on the Grendl Stars.
Genestealer Cults.

There's several more armies that they could do or pull out of their ass before making any more imperials.

But even if you look at what Imperial armies there are:
- Vanilla Marines
- SW
- BA
- BT
- DA
- GK
- SoB
- IG

5/8 are fething Marines! And they're only tiny chapters! Are you telling me that there aren't specialised IG regiments that cannot be represented by other non-FW codices?

Also, what about Traitor Legions? They're massive and unique - World Eaters are incredibly different to Emperor's Children - yet they're lumped in with the rest of the 'orrible lot. Yet somehow Black fething Templars are more deserving than the remnants of a mighty legion that has existed for 10,000 years in some shape or form?

Said "Black fething Templars" ARE the remnants of a mighty legion that has existed for 10,000 years in some way, shape or form. Thanks for playing though.

What? The Black Templars are somehow the equal of the World Eaters, the Death Guard, the Emperor's Children, the Black Legion, Thousand Sons, Alpha Legion etc? Even though at best a Black Templar warrior is 700 years old while a member of the World Eaters may be able to remember events that happened 10,000 years ago?

Legion. Singular. That's what you said, remember? "[...]the remnants of a mighty legion[...]"

And then there's the part where time does not flow normally in the warp. For all we know, they could have a million years of experience, or they could have 400 years of experience. The direction GW has taken doesn't seem to place an average legionnaire above a loyalist in skill, purely stat-wise before upgrades.

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:

 captain collius wrote:

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
But it really shouldn't be 8/16 Imperial armies!

Please give a Logical reason as to why not.

Here are some reasons why Xenos/Chaos Armies are less Represented

Eldar-There are few Craftworlds and consequently few Eldar.
Tau- A blip on the imperial radar that most people don't even know about.
Dark Eldar- Comorragh is one city so there aren't that many of them.
Necrons-Okay not all are waking up.
Orks- They are numerous but they don't need much more to continue being crazy fun. Ask most ork players they just want price tweaks and a few new fun toys.
Deamons-Yeah not that numerous.
Chaos Spess Marines- They are only really around a few places.
Tyranids-No one has a clue.

The Imperium of Man is huge the rest of the factions are not.

You're telling me that there aren't any more Xenos factions in the entire galaxy?

There's the Ulumeathic Confederation.
The chaps on the Grendl Stars.
Genestealer Cults.

There's several more armies that they could do or pull out of their ass before making any more imperials.

But even if you look at what Imperial armies there are:
- Vanilla Marines
- SW
- BA
- BT
- DA
- GK
- SoB
- IG

5/8 are fething Marines! And they're only tiny chapters! Are you telling me that there aren't specialised IG regiments that cannot be represented by other non-FW codices?

Also, what about Traitor Legions? They're massive and unique - World Eaters are incredibly different to Emperor's Children - yet they're lumped in with the rest of the 'orrible lot. Yet somehow Black fething Templars are more deserving than the remnants of a mighty legion that has existed for 10,000 years in some shape or form?

Said "Black fething Templars" ARE the remnants of a mighty legion that has existed for 10,000 years in some way, shape or form. Thanks for playing though.

What? The Black Templars are somehow the equal of the World Eaters, the Death Guard, the Emperor's Children, the Black Legion, Thousand Sons, Alpha Legion etc? Even though at best a Black Templar warrior is 700 years old while a member of the World Eaters may be able to remember events that happened 10,000 years ago?

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
Your warriors, however, aren't 10,000 years old, are they?

 Arcani wrote:
Come on! Even if the marines do this and that, and exterminated A and B, and have participated in X and Y, they don't need a codex each.
I mean, come on! We might as well call in Space Marine 40k. There's no reason for the fact that marines have more than everyone else except the fact that they sell better. They don't have good characters (they're all mindless monk/killing machines), they make for crappy stories (bolter porn) and are over hyped.
The only fething reason that there is more than one Marine codex is that GW thinks with its wallet, and its working. How many marine players are there, at least 60% of all 40k is loyalist marines, 65% if you count Chaos in.

Also, marine money goes into xenos, really? If GW think that they could drop Tau, Necrons or Dark Eldar, just to make more money on marines, they would do it without blinking. They don't give a crap about the smaller xenos races and their fans.
I mean look at the rulebook, it's ANOTHER-FETHING-MARINE on the cover, SERIOUSLY!
It's War HAMMER 40k, nor Space Marine 40k, it's supposed to be a game where you can tell a story of Imperium vs Xenos and Xenos vs Xenos. But you go into a tournament and it'll look like the Horus Heresy again: BT vs DA, DA vs BA, BA vs SW, SW vs SM and SM vs BT all over the fething place.