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2013/02/12 12:57:22
Subject: Republican Party Broken: How Can It Be Fixed?
rockerbikie wrote: Maybe they should appeal to other voters than white conservatives like the Latinos, blacks and other minorities for once.
There are conservative elements of Latino and black society, but there is a certain alienation that has occurred due to elements within the Republican party that keep them from reaching out.
As a party of no, anti-immigration, anti-abortion, anti-gay rights, anti-social safety nets, that portrait is hard to get behind regardless of who you are.
Yeah... I am well aware of the conservative blacks and Latinos. I say the main problem for both parties is the lack of a good third option that has a chance of winning an election. From what I have seen people usually flock to the right and the left. Mitt Romney and the Republican Party doesn't appeal to the ideals of most conservative Americans compared to some independents but who would vote for the minnow when you can vote for the shark. I see a system that is inheritely broken and I can see no way to fix it...
2013/02/12 13:43:34
Subject: Republican Party Broken: How Can It Be Fixed?
The "problem" that is clear to voters is that the Republicans do not have a long-term strategy. Instead, they are dug in deep on 'tactical" issues, and mostly opposition based. However, their tactical decisions seem to be knee jerk and not guided by their overall strategy anymore.
Once the party can get together and build a coherent startegy/platform that is not self-contradicting then things will work out better.
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2013/02/12 14:23:36
Subject: Republican Party Broken: How Can It Be Fixed?
The "problem" that is clear to voters is that the Republicans do not have a long-term strategy. Instead, they are dug in deep on 'tactical" issues, and mostly opposition based. However, their tactical decisions seem to be knee jerk and not guided by their overall strategy anymore.
Once the party can get together and build a coherent startegy/platform that is not self-contradicting then things will work out better.
Hah hah
As an independent, what is the Democratic Party's long term strategy again?
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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2013/02/12 14:34:16
Subject: Republican Party Broken: How Can It Be Fixed?
Democratic Strategy:
1. Maintain/expand/reform the social safety net
2. Raise revenue by increasing taxes
3. Reduce spending on Defense
4. Regulate
5. Improve the economy with increased spending
6. Use the power of the Government to stop people from doing things they don't like.
Here is the Republican plan:
1. Replace the Governmentt Safety Net with Free Market entities, unless a Democrat wants to do the same thing in order to maintain/expand the social safety net. Then it is bad. 2. No new taxes, while balancing the budget.
3. Increase spending on Defense, while balancing the budget.
4. De-regulate the economy.
5. Improve the economy by de-regulating
6. Reduce the power of the Government, unless they want to increase it, because they don't like what you are doing.
I'm sure this is a gross oversimplification.
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2013/02/12 14:41:09
Subject: Republican Party Broken: How Can It Be Fixed?
So in essence become Chavez’s Venezuela. Love it.
Democratic Strategy:
1. Maintain/expand/reform the social safety net
-Until the country becomes bankrupt.
2. Raise revenue by increasing taxes
-Until the country becomes bankrupt.
3. Reduce spending on Defense
-ok.
4. Regulate
-Recession
5. Improve the economy with increased spending
-Good luck with that. How’s it working so far?
6. Use the power of the Government to stop people from doing things they don't like.
-Mmm dictatorship. Love it!
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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2013/02/12 15:02:28
Subject: Republican Party Broken: How Can It Be Fixed?
Frazzled wrote: So in essence become Chavez’s Venezuela. Love it.
Democratic Strategy:
1. Maintain/expand/reform the social safety net
-Until the country becomes bankrupt.
2. Raise revenue by increasing taxes
-Until the country becomes bankrupt.
3. Reduce spending on Defense
-ok.
4. Regulate
-Recession
5. Improve the economy with increased spending
-Good luck with that. How’s it working so far?
6. Use the power of the Government to stop people from doing things they don't like.
-Mmm dictatorship. Love it!
If you disagree with the purpose of the strategy you agree that it exists?
Frazzled wrote: So in essence become Chavez’s Venezuela. Love it.
Democratic Strategy:
1. Maintain/expand/reform the social safety net
-Until the country becomes bankrupt.
2. Raise revenue by increasing taxes
-Until the country becomes bankrupt.
3. Reduce spending on Defense
-ok.
4. Regulate
-Recession
5. Improve the economy with increased spending
-Good luck with that. How’s it working so far?
6. Use the power of the Government to stop people from doing things they don't like.
-Mmm dictatorship. Love it!
If you disagree with the purpose of the strategy you agree that it exists?
Couldn't resist. However my actual question was, what is the Democratic's Party's long term strategy to remain viable? Judging from the last campaign it was:
Republicans are bad for women, gays, and illegals.
The problem is that
gays: thats already happening and the Republican party can get supportive or neutral easily.
illegals: thats already changing, and was before the election. Both parties want amnesty. We're just arguying the details and border security now.
women: boiled down to abortion. Abortion is settled law until such time as the fetus can become viable in the first semester, then its illegal.
Meanwhile the deficit is a trillion a year and we're playing with 1-2% maximum annual growth. Thats not a recipe for maintaining party power. Thats a recipe for revolution.
No one asks why all the crazies are appearing so much now? Look at the 1930s and you'll see. It has all happened before. It wil all happen again.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2013/02/12 20:22:51
Subject: Republican Party Broken: How Can It Be Fixed?
Frazzled wrote: [Couldn't resist. However my actual question was, what is the Democratic's Party's long term strategy to remain viable? Judging from the last campaign it was:
Republicans are bad for women, gays, and illegals.
That's easy. Let the Republicans keep talking. Everything you said about Gays, Illegals, and Women may be settled, but that doesn't mean the Republican base that votes in primaries accept the fact that it is settled. UI don;t think the base will let the party change as easily as you seem to think. See the last few election cycles primary challenges.
Meanwhile, the Dems keep pushing for things that help the "Obama" coalition of liberals, minorities, women, and Millenials; which is now larger than the colaition of Angry, Noisy, Old White Guys .
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2013/02/12 22:11:26
Subject: Republican Party Broken: How Can It Be Fixed?
Frazzled wrote:So in essence become Chavez’s Venezuela. Love it.
Sounds more like Canada, actually.
No you guys actually have something called a budget. I'd take your government bureaucrats over mine any day.
Tell you what. When Texas takes you over, you send us Ottawa and we'll send you Rick Perry. Fair?
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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2013/02/12 22:16:12
Subject: Republican Party Broken: How Can It Be Fixed?
Frazzled wrote:So in essence become Chavez’s Venezuela. Love it.
Sounds more like Canada, actually.
No you guys actually have something called a budget. I'd take your government bureaucrats over mine any day.
Tell you what. When Texas takes you over, you send us Ottawa and we'll send you Rick Perry. Fair?
And youfor Guvna?
Hey I'm already Pope. Why not.
Just call me The Governor...
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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2013/02/13 01:35:15
Subject: Republican Party Broken: How Can It Be Fixed?
rockerbikie wrote: Maybe they should appeal to other voters than white conservatives like the Latinos, blacks and other minorities for once.
Realising the race baiting strategies of old were showing rapidly decreasing returns, the Republicans have been trying to do just that. There's been all manner of committees and outreach programs and efforts to change the way they sell their message. The problem, though, is that the nature of the Republican party has changed, the focus on the individual at battle with government to protect his rights is a mindset that just doesn't work outside of a particular kind of white person.
In order to appeal to a wider demographic, the Republican party would have to become an entirely different party.
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Frazzled wrote: So in essence become Chavez’s Venezuela. Love it.
Well that's just being silly. You want people to take you seriously, don't do stuff like that.
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Frazzled wrote: Couldn't resist. However my actual question was, what is the Democratic's Party's long term strategy to remain viable? Judging from the last campaign it was:
Republicans are bad for women, gays, and illegals.
Oh, okay, I see what's going on here. Basically you don't read anything on the political philosophy or strategy of either party, but figure what you noticed from paying attention during the last election must be all there is to know.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2013/02/13 02:36:01
Subject: Republican Party Broken: How Can It Be Fixed?
Wo low blow Sebster, but then again, its what I expect from you.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2013/02/13 03:22:44
Subject: Republican Party Broken: How Can It Be Fixed?
He's actually not joking about the strategic syrup reserve. Canada is hardcore about that.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2013/02/13 03:31:09
Subject: Republican Party Broken: How Can It Be Fixed?
The other issue that the Republicans need to look at is incestuous amplification. It was a military concept used originally to explain why the French leadership in WWII were so blind to idea that the Maginot line could be bypassed by driving through the Ardennes - the problem was that the conversation was limited to only very serious people, and 'very serious people' was defined as people who thought the idea of attacking through the Ardennes was madness. And once everyone that serious knows that an attack through the Ardennes is lunacy, it doesn't matter what those outside the group think, even if they demonstrate it with a military exercise driving straight through it - they're not the very serious people.
It's a problem that concerns most political parties to some extent or another*, but one I think is particularly strong within the Republican Party right now, because the party draws on a very narrow range of people for its leadership (and not just in terms of them being white - pick out the people in the Republican leadership that aren't former military brass, businessmen or trust fund babies). It's why Bobby Jindal could get up and give a speach suggesting how to grow the party... by just saying they should say their message a little differently - there was no consideration in there that perhaps their message of individualism and opposition to governance maybe just didn't appeal to people who weren't their select clique. It's why Romney's efforts when talking to black and hispanic voters were the blackest of comedy - "we need to tell you to have stable parents, then poverty will be solved".
It's why the outreach programs the party has tried have met with declining voting shares among blacks and latino voters - because the focus has been on how to sell their values to these voters, and not on the idea of what kinds of values might actually appeal to these voters.
*In fact I'd say the current Labor government in Australia, drawing most of its leadership from the union movement, suffers it probably worse than your Republican party. The priorities of the government are issues that just do not resonate with population at large.
Frazzled wrote: Wo low blow Sebster, but then again, its what I expect from you.
Your efforts in this thread were to claim that continuing the social safety net was like Chavez's Venezuala, and then tried to describe the Democratic message by a handful of crib-notes taken from the last presidential election, all the while scoffing that there could be any more to it than that.
Seriously, just please read the link.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2013/02/13 15:20:43
Subject: Republican Party Broken: How Can It Be Fixed?
All I gotta say... is that I agree with the author... the time to hydrate is before the cameras roll.
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As I wrote earlier, I’m no fan of State of the Union speeches. I’m usually no fan of the opposition-party responses, either, for a variety of reasons. First, they suffer in comparison to the pomp offered the President and can’t avoid seeming anti-climactic. The only person who ever really got that was Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell, who arranged to give his response in 2010 in the Virginia legislature, with his fellow Republicans offering applause in a venue that at least approximated that enjoyed by Barack Obama.
However, at least rhetorically, Marco Rubio took the correct path in responding to the usual SOTU laundry-list speech. In his rebuttal, Rubio stayed away from offering the Republican legislative agenda, and instead stuck to the Republican and conservative philosophies of governing and economics. Rather than try to compete with Santa Claus, Rubio explained that, in the words of Robert Heinlein, there ain’t no such thing as a free lunch:
This opportunity — to make it to the middle class or beyond no matter where you start out in life — it isn’t bestowed on us from Washington. It comes from a vibrant free economy where people can risk their own money to open a business, and when they succeed, they hire more people, who in turn invest or spend the money they make, helping others start a business and create jobs.
Presidents in both parties — from John F. Kennedy to Ronald Reagan — have known that our free-enterprise economy is the source of our middle-class prosperity.
But President Obama, he believes it’s the cause of our problems, that the economic downturn happened because our government didn’t tax enough, spend enough, or control enough. And, therefore, as you heard tonight, his solution to virtually every problem we face is for Washington to tax more, borrow more, and spend more. This idea — that our problems were caused by a government that was too small — it’s just not true. In fact, a major cause of our recent downturn was a housing crisis created by reckless government policies.
And the idea that more taxes and more government spending is the best way to help hardworking middle-class taxpayers, that’s an old idea that’s failed every time it’s been tried.
More government isn’t going to help you get ahead; it’s going to hold you back. More government isn’t going to create more opportunities; it’s going to limit them. And more government isn’t going to inspire new ideas, new businesses, and new private-sector jobs; it’s going to create uncertainty.
Because more government breeds complicated rules and laws that small businesses can’t afford to follow. Because more government raises taxes on employers who then pass the costs on to their employees through fewer hours, lower pay, and even layoffs. And because many government programs that claim to help the middle class often end up hurting them.
The only agenda item/hobby horse mention from Rubio was not a proposal for another government program. Rubio proposed yet again a balanced budget amendment to force government to live within its means. There are risks with this idea, which we’ve covered in depth, but as we continue to see massive annual deficits adding to our rapidly rising national debt, the risks are outweighed by the potential for catastrophe in the future.
Rubio also offered a stinging rebuttal to Obama’s demagoguery:
But his favorite attack of all is that those of us who don’t agree with him, that we only care about rich people. Mr. President, I still live in the same working-class neighborhood I grew up in. My neighbors aren’t millionaires; they’re retirees who depend on Social Security and Medicare. They’re workers who have to get up early tomorrow morning and go to work to pay the bills. They’re immigrants who came here because they were stuck in poverty in the countries where the government dominated the economy.
The tax increases and the deficit spending you propose will hurt middle-class families. It will cost them their raises. It will cost them their benefits. It may even cost some of them their jobs. And it will hurt seniors because it does nothing to save Medicare and Social Security.
So, Mr. President, I don’t oppose your plans because I want to protect the rich. I oppose your plans because I want to protect my neighbors, hard-working middle-class Americans who don’t need us to come up with a plan to grow the government. They need a plan to grow the middle class.
Economic growth is the best way to help the middle class. Unfortunately, our economy actually shrank during the last three months of 2012. But if we can get the economy to grow at just 4 percent a year, it would create middle-class jobs and it would reduce our deficits by almost $4 trillion over the next decade.
Tax increases can’t do this. Raising taxes won’t create private- sector jobs. And there’s no realistic tax increase that could lower our deficits by almost $4 trillion. That’s why I hope the president will abandon his obsession with raising taxes and instead work with us to achieve real growth in our economy.
It was an effective rebuttal, and well delivered. Instead of trying to outdo Obama on government freebies, Rubio offered a clear explanation of why those promises won’t work, and most of them won’t even be tried. At the same time, Rubio reset the Republican approach to middle-class economics, a point not lost on Politico’s Jonathan Martin:
The selection of Rubio to speak for his party marked the latest, and perhaps most overt, step in the GOP’s rehabilitation project since Election Day, an effort to repackage its identity without altering its policies.
And at four separate moments in his remarks, Rubio went to great lengths to get the message across: The GOP isn’t the party of rich white guys. …
Later, Rubio returned to the personal, noting that he had to foot his own college bills. “When I finished school, I owed over $100,000 in student loans, a debt I paid off just a few months ago,” he said.
And ,if he hadn’t gotten his point across, Rubio came back to his class identity toward the end of his remarks in a paean to Medicare.
“It provided my father the care he needed to battle cancer and ultimately die with dignity,” said Rubio of government health insurance for the elderly. “And it pays for the care my mother receives now. “
And if you thought you heard a common phrase laced throughout the remarks, you did: “Middle-class” came in for 16 mentions.
Just for the record, Obama’s much-longer speech only had eight mentions of the “middle class.”
Rubio provided himself a good argument for his ascendancy as the public leader of the Republican Party, not just on policy but also on philosophy. I’d bet that Rubio’s speech gets remembered for its content longer than Obama’s SOTU retread.
As I didn’t watch the State of the Union speech live, I also missed the two responses to it from Barack Obama’s opposition. The networks carried Marco Rubio’s speech live, but most viewers had to go to the Tea Party Express website to watch Rand Paul rebut Obma’s SOTU address. While some may complain about that decision, it is arguably fair. If Mitt Romney had won the election, would we have cheered while the networks not only provided live coverage of Harry Reid’s rebuttal, but also one from Senator Bernie Sanders representing the Center for American Progress? Somehow, I doubt it.
Anyway, it’s almost anachronistic to complain about a lack of coverage in the age of YouTube, isn’t it?
Like Rubio, Paul eschewed the laundry-list agenda approach in his response, and in some ways relied more on philosophy than Rubio did:
Ronald Reagan said, government is not the answer to the problem, government is the problem.
Tonight, the President told the nation he disagrees. President Obama believes government is the solution: More government, more taxes, more debt.
What the President fails to grasp is that the American system that rewards hard work is what made America so prosperous.
What America needs is not Robin Hood but Adam Smith. In the year we won our independence, Adam Smith described what creates the Wealth of Nations.
He described a limited government that largely did not interfere with individuals and their pursuit of happiness.
All that we are, all that we wish to be is now threatened by the notion that you can have something for nothing, that you can have your cake and eat it too, that you can spend a trillion dollars every year that you don’t have.
Noting that Obama rebuked Congress for the supposedly dangerous cuts in the sequester, Paul reminded viewers who came up with the idea in the first place. He also pointed out that few understand that the sequester doesn’t actually cut current spending, but merely cuts the rate of growth in future spending:
The President does a big “woe is me” over the $1.2 trillion sequester that he endorsed and signed into law. Some Republicans are joining him. Few people understand that the sequester doesn’t even cut any spending. It just slows the rate of growth. Even with the sequester, government will grow over $7 trillion over the next decade.
Only in Washington could an increase of $7 trillion in spending over a decade be called a cut.
Like Rubio, Paul also argues for a balanced budget amendment:
So, what is the President’s answer? Over the past four years he has added over $6 trillion in new debt and may well do the same in a second term. What solutions does he offer? He takes entitlement reform off the table and seeks to squeeze more money out of the private sector.
He says he wants a balanced approach.
What the country really needs is a balanced budget. …
To begin with, we absolutely must pass a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution!
The amendment must include strict tax and spending limitations.
Liberals complain that the budget can’t be balanced but if you cut just one penny from each dollar we currently spend, the budget would balance within six or seven years.
Contra Obama, Paul says that Washington has plenty of bipartisanship … and that’s the problem:
It is often said that there is not enough bipartisanship up here.
That is not true.
In fact, there is plenty.
Both parties have been guilty of spending too much, of protecting their sacred cows, of backroom deals in which everyone up here wins, but every taxpayer loses.
It is time for a new bipartisan consensus.
It is time Democrats admit that not every dollar spent on domestic programs is sacred. And it is time Republicans realize that military spending is not immune to waste and fraud.
It’s an excellent, vigorous speech aimed at the GOP base, a clever companion to Rubio’s effort to recast the GOP more broadly within the electorate. Before yesterday, most news accounts cast this as a competition between the two men, and that competition may arise electorally at some point. To me, though, these two speeches look more complementary than competitive, as Republicans attempt to grow their influence and enlarge their tent rather than just shift the tent pegs over.
I'd have to admit... Rand Paul doesn't seem as kooky as his dad.
EDIT: flixed linky.
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2013/02/13 15:49:19
Subject: Republican Party Broken: How Can It Be Fixed?
The idea of a response to the State of the Union address seems to be similar to people posting video responses to far more popular people in the hopes to get some views on YouTube.
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2013/02/13 16:02:21
Subject: Republican Party Broken: How Can It Be Fixed?
The Opposing party response has been in place for many many years. not seeing the issue.
Fortunately for me I was unable to watch either the SOTA or rebuttal due to a more pressing engagement (watching the Battle of Leyte Gulf on the War Channel whilst surfing the intranetz with a nice rum and water).
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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2013/02/13 16:05:42
Subject: Republican Party Broken: How Can It Be Fixed?
kronk wrote: I was at the Fat Tuesday Mardi Gras Parade on Galveston Island last night. Woo! Beads!
You didn't get shot at like the night before did you?
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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