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2013/03/05 03:32:56
Subject: 1750 - Jy2's Road to the Bay Area Open GT - Hive Fleet Pandora! (Army Pics on p.3)
Hey JY2 its a shame these GT's fell on the same weekend. I will definitely be reading up on how you did. My dumbass was in such a hurry to get out the door Friday for an overnight drive that I forgot my camera. :(
Side note: i am actually trying to get back into nids. I miss my nid army...
TK - 2012 40K GT Record 18-5
4th in 2nd bracket Feast of Blades 2012 (IG/SoB); 4th Overall Midwest Massacre (IG/SW); 5th Overall Indy Open (IG); Final 16 Adepticon Open (IG)
TK - 2013 40K GT Record 24-4
Best General Indy Open (Crons/CSM)
Top 5! Bugeater GT (TauDar)
Final 4 Nova Invitational (Eldau)
Best Overall Midwest Massacre (Crons/CSM)
I only had 1 Scythe and 1 Dragon because I'm a REAL man.
..to be honest, there is a reason none of the triple drake/scythe spam armies did that well this tournament. It's really hard to make a balanced list, with all the tools you need to win, with more than 2 flyers at 1750.
The abundance of skyfire/interceptor, which I correctly expected, also played a large role in my decision making process.
More pics up. Will finish posting the army pics tonight after dinner. I sure took a lot of pictures. No wonder most of my games were going the distance.
Tomb King wrote: Hey JY2 its a shame these GT's fell on the same weekend. I will definitely be reading up on how you did. My dumbass was in such a hurry to get out the door Friday for an overnight drive that I forgot my camera. :(
Side note: i am actually trying to get back into nids. I miss my nid army...
Likewise. Interested in seeing how you did as well. I'm actually starting to warm up to your necron/CSM army. BTW, if you ever go to a tournament in the West Coast, try to make this one. It's got some of the best players here in the West Coast.
Nids are oh so good IMO. I never felt in any of my matchups that my bugs were underdogs. Heck, I truly felt that I could have won it all with my bugs. That's how good they are, especially now that DE venom-spam isn't en vogue any more.
So were you planning to come to the BAO, or was it another tournament that you missed?
BAO - with Deldar. I'll just have to play the next Canadian event instead.
Man, that sure sucks. Too bad you couldn't make it here, but at least you've still got Adepticon, Nova and Wargamescon if you still want to try your skills at large, major US GT. Oh well, there's always next year possibly.
hippesthippo wrote: I only had 1 Scythe and 1 Dragon because I'm a REAL man.
..to be honest, there is a reason none of the triple drake/scythe spam armies did that well this tournament. It's really hard to make a balanced list, with all the tools you need to win, with more than 2 flyers at 1750.
The abundance of skyfire/interceptor, which I correctly expected, also played a large role in my decision making process.
Yeah, you da MAN! Congrats on doing so well here. Your army must be under-estimated a lot with just 2 flyers in it. Lol. Sometimes, the synergies of these armies are just amazing! And yeah, many of those double/triple flyer lists are just really unbalanced. You still need a lot of resiliency on the ground, which is what your army had. Zombies FTW!
Good grief...come on people. Drop the crutch of using Aegis lines. Just about every army had one. I guess we forgot to adapt to the terrain given to us in games. Kudos to the people that left them at home. Bravo to Elizabeth on her undefeated record. Hopefully, other gamer women will be motivated to play more. She's a great ambassador to the game for women.
hippesthippo wrote: I only had 1 Scythe and 1 Dragon because I'm a REAL man.
..to be honest, there is a reason none of the triple drake/scythe spam armies did that well this tournament. It's really hard to make a balanced list, with all the tools you need to win, with more than 2 flyers at 1750.
The abundance of skyfire/interceptor, which I correctly expected, also played a large role in my decision making process.
Somewhere i have to agree with that analysis, but if you want you can still do, the Dragon is one of the flyers who can just laugh with S7 skyfire, it is not evident to kill it, hell when wrong place you could even vector strike one when it comes in.
But then again is stay with my comment, you need an army that is made around the Dragons and complement be it, it needs agression and ways to hurt his skyfire in turn1.
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2013/03/05 07:07:33
Subject: Re:1750 - Jy2's Road to the Bay Area Open GT - Hive Fleet Pandora! (Army Pics on p.3)
Great pictures and some awesome armies. Must have been a blast. Seeing all this makes me want to create a display board! Then again, that's what I've been saying for a few years now...
Who knows, maybe for the next Dutch GT.
Thnx for the pics.
Cilithan
Fiery the angels fell; deep thunder rolled around their shores; burning with the fires of Orc.
William (aka ImotekhTheStormlord) is a kid who plays at my LGS - Game Kastle in San Jose. We see each other there all the time but I've never played against him before (though we did play in an Apoc game together). I don't think he is a real competitive player, but I guess I will find out.
Mission:Bay Area Open Scenario #1 - The Emperor's Will (4pts) & Crusade (3pts)
The way the BAO scenarios work is this. There are always 2 book missions, one worth 4 points and the other worth 3 points. There are also the 3 bonus points - First Blood, Slay the Warlord and Linebreaker - for a possible total of 10 points. Whoever gets the most points wins. In scenario #4, Crusade is worth 3-points and The Emperor's Will worth 4-points.
His list doesn't look really competitive. He's running mainly a shooty necron build with lots of warriors but no real scary units. I think list-wise, he's going to have a lot of trouble dealing with my MC's (with the exception of his Overlord). Also, I think the Doom is going to present a real problem to my opponent. Lastly, I've definitely got the experience edge on my young opponent. I'm afraid this is going to be a rough one for him. The only thing he has that may survive will probably be his stormraven. Let's see how well David can do against Goliath.
Shooting puts 1W on my tervigon and 1W on my non-Warlord flyrant only.
Tyranids 1
Spoiler:
Every turn I would cast my psychic powers.
Both flyrants swoop after his purifiers (with Coteaz). My flyrants are always swooping unless they are preparing to assault.
The rest of my army moves.
The hive guards shoot down his rhino for First Blood. I then shoot down only 3 purifiers and 1 necron warrior with my flyrants and biovores (he was rolling well on his saves as well as his necron's Reanimation Protocols)
Necrons 2
Spoiler:
Only the 2 night scythes come in from reserves. My opponent actually still does not remember about his 2 annihilation barges (and neither did I, else I would have reminded him).
I don't know what the hell happened...but he manages to kill my flyrant and a tervigon with just 2 night scythes and his warriors!!!
His night scythe hits and wounds my flyrant 3 times only and I fail all 3 saves and all 3 FNP's. I then also fail all my saves for my tervigon as well! I am stunned....
Tyranids 2
Spoiler:
The Doom comes in.
My tervigon spawn some gants and my army advances. The zoan perils and fails to cast Iron Arm.
Gants swarm around the objectives.
My Warlord (T7 currently with FNP) swoops behind his flyers. This is probably the only mistake I make in the game. I target a night scythe with my flyrant but manage only to take off 1 Hull Point, stunning the the flyer. In retrospect, I should have gone after his troop warriors.
The Doom wipes out Coteaz and the purifiers and then kills 3 warriors with Psychic Shriek.
Biovores fire at his warriors. My wound rolls are horrible as I only kill 2 warriors out of about 8 hits.
Gargoyles attempt to assault his left warriors. However, overwatch kills 2-3 and I then fail my charge through difficult terrain.
Necrons 3
Spoiler:
My opponent finally remembers about his annihilation barge. 1 AB and the stormraven both comes in.
Night scythes go after my gants on objective. He disembarks both units.
They easily finish off my gants.
AB, melta-henchmen and warriors go after my flyrant.
In another stunning turn of events, he shoots down my swooping T7 Warlord with FNP!!! What is going on?!?
Finally, his Overlord, who split from the unit of warriors, assault the Doom to lock him in place. I fail my MSS test but fortunately, pass my invulns.
Tyranids 3
Spoiler:
I go after his troops.
Biovores fire at his far troops but scatter off. I believe I only manage to kill 1 warrior.
Tervigon and zoans then assault.
I win combat and the zoans sweep the warriors.
Necrons 4
Spoiler:
This will be the last game turn as we are running out of time.
His warriors start making their moves to the objectives (his Emperor's Will objective).
His other unit of warriors run to contest my Emperor's Will objective.
He shoots the contesting gargoyles off of his Crusade objective.
In assault, MSS fails and his Overlord puts 1W on the Doom. BTW, his henchmen is heading towards the Crusade objective and I've already killed his other unit of henchmen.
Tyranids 4
Spoiler:
I fail to wipe out his warriors on his Emperor's Will objective, killing all but 2 out in the open with my 4 biovores. So he still has his Emperor's Will objective. If I had wiped them out, I would have won.
Tervigon spawns 11 gants. I then assault his warriors.
His warriors kill 3 gants. My tervigon then kills 3 warriors by itself. My gants then hit and wound 6 times. My opponent proceeds to pass 5 out of his 6 saves! He also passes his morale to stay locked in combat, thus contesting my Emperor's Will objective.
If I had broken them in combat, I would have won.
Finally, the Doom, who is S10 after Spirit Leeching his 2 henchmen and 1W from his Warlord, insta-gibs his Warlord with 1 fatal attack, thus giving me that Crusade objective.
So I've got the Secondary mission, Crusade, 2 objectives to his 1.
However, my opponent has got the Primary, the Emperor's Will.
We've both killed each other's Warlords. I've got First Blood (the rhino). He's got Linebreaker (his warriors).
In a stunning upset, the upstart crons take it 6-5!
In a stunning upset, I am out of the running already. My opponent, William, played well enough without any real mistakes. I made a crucial one. Despite losing my 1 flyrant and 1 tervigon early, I was still in it. However, I went after his night scythe with my flyrant rather than his warriors. I should have went after his warriors. First of all, I could have taken out another scoring unit. Secondly, had I taken them out, he would have had less units to retaliate against my flyrant. And lastly, I might get stuck in combat and thus protected from his shooting. The dice did hurt, but honestly, I felt that I beat myself.
Oh well, I guess my goal right now is no longer the championship. Rather, I'm going to have to settle for trying to get Best Tyranid player and even that is no easy feat. There's a lot of good tyranid armies in the tournament and most of them went 1-0 the first round. I am already behind. Also, Janthkin had decided at the 11th Hour to compete as well and he dominated his 1st turn opponent.
As for William, he would go on to finish the tournament with a 4-2-1 (W-L-D) record.
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Man I am so jealous of Tomb Stalkers (appearance wise)...seriously, why can't my Trygons be modeled slithering on their stomachs...rather than walking on their rear 24/7.
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Game 1, Ouch! Losing that Flyrant at the top of turn 2 is a devastating blow! Bad rolling on those saves and FNP. Will played agressive, disembarking his Warriors early on. Will rolled well having two warrior survive combat to contest Crusade objective and two other Crons survinging your AP4 barrage Biovores to score Emperor's objective. Had the game continued to turn 5, you would have won (unless you roll poorly again).
Crazy turn of events after he forgot about two powerful units.
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2013/03/05 18:44:02
Subject: 1750 - Jy2's Road to the Bay Area Open GT - Hive Fleet Pandora (Army Pics on p.3, Game #1 on p.4)
SabrX wrote: Game 1, Ouch! Losing that Flyrant at the top of turn 2 is a devastating blow! Bad rolling on those saves and FNP. Will played agressive, disembarking his Warriors early on. Will rolled well having two warrior survive combat to contest Crusade objective and two other Crons survinging your AP4 barrage Biovores to score Emperor's objective. Had the game continued to turn 5, you would have won (unless you roll poorly again).
Yeah, had we continued on, I would have had the better chance to win. Alas, in a tournament, when it's over, it's over. Nothing much you can do but to re-adjust your expectations and move on.
Eldarain wrote: Crazy turn of events after he forgot about two powerful units.
Yeah, to to think that he didn't even really need them to do all that damage!
SabrX wrote: Game 1, Ouch! Losing that Flyrant at the top of turn 2 is a devastating blow! Bad rolling on those saves and FNP. Will played agressive, disembarking his Warriors early on. Will rolled well having two warrior survive combat to contest Crusade objective and two other Crons survinging your AP4 barrage Biovores to score Emperor's objective. Had the game continued to turn 5, you would have won (unless you roll poorly again).
Yeah, and that is the problem I have found with playing nids. You don't always get the luxery of finishing your games due to time constrainsts. I remember a blogg by I believe MVBrandt back in 2012 where he played his nids in a big tournie and had issues with completing games as well...though he was playing some 2 squads of gargoyles and 3 Tervigons. He still placed in the top 4 IIRC.
Automatically Appended Next Post: ...and were you using a pivot trick with your Tervigons when you deployed sideways? Or were you just maximizing cover to your gribblies?
And I don't want to say tough loss: I feel proud of the kid and I am sure that he got a real kick out of going toe-2-toe with a champ and emerging victorious.
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SabrX wrote: Game 1, Ouch! Losing that Flyrant at the top of turn 2 is a devastating blow! Bad rolling on those saves and FNP. Will played agressive, disembarking his Warriors early on. Will rolled well having two warrior survive combat to contest Crusade objective and two other Crons survinging your AP4 barrage Biovores to score Emperor's objective. Had the game continued to turn 5, you would have won (unless you roll poorly again).
Yeah, had we continued on, I would have had the better chance to win. Alas, in a tournament, when it's over, it's over. Nothing much you can do but to re-adjust your expectations and move on.
Eldarain wrote: Crazy turn of events after he forgot about two powerful units.
Yeah, to to think that he didn't even really need them to do all that damage!
Tough loss. Even more ridiculous that he didn't use his annihilation barges for 2 turns. Might have gotten ugly if those started on the board.
I know that most tournaments run low on terrain, but wow was that field barren. I suppose you were getting your armor saves still, but there was absolutely nowhere to hide there.
2013/03/05 20:30:45
Subject: 1750 - Jy2's Road to the Bay Area Open GT - Hive Fleet Pandora (Army Pics on p.3, Game #1 on p.4)
I've greatly enjoyed the reports you've made Jy2, please keep them coming!
Though I'm quite curious as I'm hoping to become more competitive, why the Biovores? I attempted a three game spree of utilizing four of them and I was constantly disappointed. Has the pinning proven that essential, and do they typically earn back their worth? In your first game it appeared to be constant disappointment with them, which to me doesn't seem far off from logical prediction given the nature of scatter dice.
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2013/03/05 21:56:51
Subject: 1750 - Jy2's Road to the Bay Area Open GT - Hive Fleet Pandora (Army Pics on p.3, Game #1 on p.4)
Do you try and get LoS for your biovores in most games Jim? It seems like you've had a great deal of success with them.
I've found the full scatter rules for out of sight barrages make them really lackluster when I've hidden them behind terrain.
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2013/03/05 23:14:27
Subject: Re:1750 - Jy2's Road to the Bay Area Open GT - Hive Fleet Pandora (Army Pics on p.3, Game #1 on p.4)
Eldercaveman wrote: I've pre-exalted this thread, in anticipation of your batreps, because we all know it is going to be an absolute, wargamers wet dream.
Hahaha....not sure whether to beam with joy or to douse you with some cold water.
CaptKaruthors wrote: Good grief...come on people. Drop the crutch of using Aegis lines. Just about every army had one. I guess we forgot to adapt to the terrain given to us in games. Kudos to the people that left them at home. Bravo to Elizabeth on her undefeated record. Hopefully, other gamer women will be motivated to play more. She's a great ambassador to the game for women.
The Aegis can be good in the right army. However, for most other armies, it isn't really necessary. I think that's what we are seeing here. Some armies really benefit from the Aegis (like gunline armies) and for others, it is truly a waste of points.
Yeah, I definitely think that she's a good role model for female gamers everywhere. She's highly skilled, her army is very nicely done and she has a very good attitude. Those are the type of people that we need in this hobby.
Cilithan wrote: Great pictures and some awesome armies. Must have been a blast. Seeing all this makes me want to create a display board! Then again, that's what I've been saying for a few years now...
Who knows, maybe for the next Dutch GT.
Thnx for the pics.
Cilithan
Thanks. Yeah, I definitely had a blast. You should go to a GT if you ever have the opportunity. It's a great way to make new friends and play against new people. As long as you go with the attitude that win, lose or draw, I'm going to have fun!
wyomingfox wrote: Man I am so jealous of Tomb Stalkers (appearance wise)...seriously, why can't my Trygons be modeled slithering on their stomachs...rather than walking on their rear 24/7.
I myself almost bought a tomb stalker recently. Those models are really cool and I'd love to add 1 or 2 to complement my wraiths.
djn wrote: Damn, unlucky dude. Looking forward to the rest of your reports but I kind of spoilt it for myself by checking the results on frontline gaming
Do you think a bit of complacency crept into this game? I know you had some horrible luck mind you.
Cheers for sharing!
No, I wasn't complacent. I was actually thinking of, young or not, smashing his army, but the dice just had other plans. In a tournament, I don't take it easy unless I'm already assured of a win. This was way too early in the game to be feeling that way.
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Ouch was not expecting that result JY. That's what I meant in my pre tourney prediction. 1 bad game of dice and its over. Glad you went on to do well though after this it seemed(if I'm reading the results right, which I might not be). Still nice showing by the young pup! Even if he was taking 2 of the most hated armies of the past year haha!
2013/03/06 00:06:42
Subject: 1750 - Jy2's Road to the Bay Area Open GT - Hive Fleet Pandora (Army Pics on p.3, Game #1 on p.4)
...and were you using a pivot trick with your Tervigons when you deployed sideways? Or were you just maximizing cover to your gribblies?
And I don't want to say tough loss: I feel proud of the kid and I am sure that he got a real kick out of going toe-2-toe with a champ and emerging victorious.
I try to avoid that with my tervigon unless I absolutely have to. The reason why I deploy that way is mainly so that I can deploy my hive guards further up (while still getting cover from the tervigons) to maximimize their shooting range as well as to give cover to my other units, including my flyrants. However, I only deploy this way if I am going first or if my opponent doesn't have a lot of ranged AP2/3 shooting.
Now I'm never going to live it down at my LGS. My opponent can now boast that he beat a GT winner and I'd be forever known as the cocky bastard who lost to the kid. j.k.
bogalubov wrote: Tough loss. Even more ridiculous that he didn't use his annihilation barges for 2 turns. Might have gotten ugly if those started on the board.
I know that most tournaments run low on terrain, but wow was that field barren. I suppose you were getting your armor saves still, but there was absolutely nowhere to hide there.
Actually, terrain wasn't that bad. There was a a large LOS-blocking, impassable terrain between the 2 armies where I could have hid my army. I just happened to play very aggressively with my flyrants in order to try to get First Blood and wipe out 1 or 2 of his units. If anything, I actually felt that terrain was in my favor, not his.
Cieged wrote: I've greatly enjoyed the reports you've made Jy2, please keep them coming!
Though I'm quite curious as I'm hoping to become more competitive, why the Biovores? I attempted a three game spree of utilizing four of them and I was constantly disappointed. Has the pinning proven that essential, and do they typically earn back their worth? In your first game it appeared to be constant disappointment with them, which to me doesn't seem far off from logical prediction given the nature of scatter dice.
Biovores give the bugs some long range reach. They played a larger part in some of my other games, wiping out troops on far objectives where I had no other way to get to. They also give me some anti-infantry shooting as well as makes it tougher for those flamer/screamer daemon armies. Either drop, shoot and get plastered by my biovores or drop and spread out, thus losing 1 turn of shooting.
Out of 5 games, I'd say in 1 game the biovores do really well, in 3 games they do alright and they will fare badly in 1 game. But due to their relatively cheap costs, they will in most cases easily make back their points. And I would say that they have been MVP's in many of my games, killing scoring units on objectives and pinning important units at key turns to swing the game in my favor or perhaps to even win it outright.
Overall, I've switched to biovores ever since 5th Edition (where I used to run trygons and dakkafexes) and have never looked back since. The biovores will consistently perform in 4 out of 5 games (just my guesstimate).
Eldarain wrote: Do you try and get LoS for your biovores in most games Jim? It seems like you've had a great deal of success with them.
I've found the full scatter rules for out of sight barrages make them really lackluster when I've hidden them behind terrain.
Yeah, I actually do in most of my games. Only if my opponent has guns that can insta-kill them or if I am firing indirectly in order to try to snipe particular models do I hide them out of LOS. Otherwise, I always try to get LOS with my biovores.
Chancetragedy wrote: Ouch was not expecting that result JY. That's what I meant in my pre tourney prediction. 1 bad game of dice and its over. Glad you went on to do well though after this it seemed(if I'm reading the results right, which I might not be). Still nice showing by the young pup! Even if he was taking 2 of the most hated armies of the past year haha!
Yeah, he played well against me and ended up doing decent. And necrons is still 1 of the most hated armies of the recent year.
Yea tough loss with the failed saves though you have to admit your initial rolls for your powers seemed crazy! I can't believe that batch of biomancy powers! Then he forgets 2 annihilation barges!!! I think the luck swings both ways here but I agree you played the game you needed to and sometimes thats all you can do.
Now if you want to discuss luck then how about that final game! I think it is safe to say she would have beat any player she was pitted against in the final round with dice like that!
Heck I wish I could have attended! So I am still envious One of these days I'll just go for it, but it's a long voyage from rural Maine
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