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Vetock? Isn't Robin Cruddace rumored to be writer? If it is Vetock I approve, he did a great job with Dark Angels.

From what we keep hearing about the book being long finished, wouldn't it double up with when he was writing DA? As a first assignment that's pretty hard. I would be tempted to say that this particular tidbit is a pile of horse radishes.

I can't/don't want to believe that GW would choose not to redo Crisis suits.

Other units may overwatch? interesting. 2 markerlights remove that is actually a boost.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I can't/don't want to believe that GW would choose not to redo Crisis suits.

To many people (including myself) this would be a deal breaker, so it would be INCREDIBLY STUPID on GW's behalf if they kept the robo chickens as is.

I don't believe a word of this anyway, but how is not updating Crisis suits a surprise to anyone? GW really hasn't been in the business of replacing current plastic kits for the past few years.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
how is not updating Crisis suits a surprise to anyone? GW really hasn't been in the business of replacing current plastic kits for the past few years.

I agree. They have a kit and they need to get new things out on the market before 3rd party vendors. If they have a retooled Crisis suit, it probably would be released at a later time anyway (IMO). I think we saw this with Chaos and DA - all existing plastic kits were kept in place and they added new things.

Nice, thanks, Kroot!

There is some precedence for new plastic kits for existing kits... just not existing plastic kits. CSM got new Raptors from the Finecast ones for example. New Crisis suits I think are quite unlikely, but getting them in a box of 3 makes sense, like Obliterators. A new Vespid or Pathfiner plastic kit could be the only things we see redone, since they're currently in Finecast (based off trends from the last couple years).

I like the sounds of the latest batch of rules rumours... maybe the book will actually get released this time

I heard that both FW and XV8 suits were not getting new kits too, just a sprue addition in each.

As for the Uber Suit, I've heard that it looks like Saturn from Borderlands 2.

If that is the case, I'll be all over that.

Puscifer wrote:
I heard that both FW and XV8 suits were not getting new kits too, just a sprue addition in each.

As for the Uber Suit, I've heard that it looks like Saturn from Borderlands 2.

If that is the case, I'll be all over that.

Is this a new rumor from you, P? Or did you see this on another site?

For those who don't play BL2, Saturn is a pretty standard standing mech with Arm Weapons and Missile Pods on the shoulders:

This has come from someone I know who worked at Lenton HQ a couple of months back.

She said that there was a huge mech that resembled Saturn in a cabinet.

The Missile Launchers are where the Rail Cannons or Ion Cannons are sat, where as the arms have some enormous cannons mounted into the forearms, similar to the XV88 from Forge World.

Roughly the size of Dreadknight.

There were two loadouts that she saw.


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Could have been a three up though.

Welcome to Rumormongery!

Those S8 railguns sound terrible if true. One of the iconic features of the Tau are high strength ranged weapons, and this would mean a trio of Broadsides would have less anti-tank firepower than a Devastator squad. Nerfing the railguns would also mean no way to ID bike heroes without vehicle weapons.

The tau already have plenty of weapons in the anti-transport strength band, why would they get rid of something so iconic to the army?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
GW really hasn't been in the business of replacing current plastic kits for the past few years.

Actually, they replaced Skaven Clan Rats, VC skeletons, Dwarf Clan Warriors, Land Speeder. That said they didn't replace a.o. Skaven Nightrunners, Khemri Skeletons, Dark Elf and High Elf spearmen who are in dire need.

Keeping the blocky GW Crisis Suits would be a major let down, but then again I am happy with my FW Crisis Suits and broadsides.

@Puscifer: Rule #1 in rumour posting. Never reveal your source if the source might get harmed by that (e.g. lose the job).

I can see 3 tiers of Rail Weapons in this new book - dunno why, but it would make sense.

@Kroothawk: I haven't revealed my source and they won't be harmed from losing their job either. I am 100% certain of that as they no longer have any ties with GW.

Redone Crisis Suits are the only thing that could get me to consider getting back into GW through the Tau. Guess I have nothing to worry about until they disappoint with the Eldar, do I?

Str 8 Railguns?


I don't want to live on this planet any more.

 Desubot wrote:
Str 8 Railguns?
I don't want to live on this planet any more.

Don't overexaggerate and dramaticize everything

 Desubot wrote:
Str 8 Railguns?


I don't want to live on this planet any more.

What's wrong with that? Considering it's still useful for most light armor, and can still ID a good amount of stuff, it's not that bad. Additionally, if it were to be believed that XV88's will get a Skyfire option, S8 makes it a very potent AA weapon (considering that most Skyfire weapons are S7). It might also fall in line with the whole rail "cannon" rumor in the sense that railguns become S8, and rail "cannons" are S10. It also makes sense in the fact that Broadsides are smaller platforms, and would be equipped with something a little lighter hitting than a Hammerhead.

Stands to reason that if they don't update the Crisis Suits you can expect to be able to take a whole lot more in the army somehow. They have to figure out how to entice us old school Tau players into buying more.
I think the more likely scenario if they are not redone is that another suit is introduced (or something competative with the slot) that makes Crisis Suits less desireable in competative lists. And if you think "they can't do that with such an iconic unit" look no further than the Necron Destroyer.

 Desubot wrote:
Str 8 Railguns?


I don't want to live on this planet any more.

This is a disgusting thought.
But given the size difference in the Rail weapons, (S6 Rifles, S8 Broadsides, S10 Hammerhead) I do see the logic.
I don't think it's very balanced, but I do see it.

 spectreoneone wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Str 8 Railguns?


I don't want to live on this planet any more.

What's wrong with that? Considering it's still useful for most light armor, and can still ID a good amount of stuff, it's not that bad. Additionally, if it were to be believed that XV88's will get a Skyfire option, S8 makes it a very potent AA weapon (considering that most Skyfire weapons are S7). It might also fall in line with the whole rail "cannon" rumor in the sense that railguns become S8, and rail "cannons" are S10. It also makes sense in the fact that Broadsides are smaller platforms, and would be equipped with something a little lighter hitting than a Hammerhead.

And they have 2 of them too, whilst a hammer head only has one.
But then again it is a giant ass robot, so having a railgun or two isn't that unfair...
or maybe the railgun option is moved to the ubersuit and broadsides get the smaller gun but more and for cheaper, maybe 6 twin-linked S8 guns per unit.

It really comes down to how good they will be in terms of points as well.
S8 72" AP2 twin-linked is nothing to scoff at, and with skyfire that's a whole lot of trouble for fliers.

Oh the horror, what WILL i do with All 9 of these broadsides now? /Queue dramatic sofa.

But definitely the st 8 is definitely not much of an issue. Im more concerned with the no A.S.S and what the cost will end up. if they leave the twinlinked plasma option and gave them relenetless i could see them being awesome deathstar but we will have to wait till the codex comes

 Makutsu wrote:

 spectreoneone wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Str 8 Railguns?


I don't want to live on this planet any more.

What's wrong with that? Considering it's still useful for most light armor, and can still ID a good amount of stuff, it's not that bad. Additionally, if it were to be believed that XV88's will get a Skyfire option, S8 makes it a very potent AA weapon (considering that most Skyfire weapons are S7). It might also fall in line with the whole rail "cannon" rumor in the sense that railguns become S8, and rail "cannons" are S10. It also makes sense in the fact that Broadsides are smaller platforms, and would be equipped with something a little lighter hitting than a Hammerhead.

And they have 2 of them too, whilst a hammer head only has one.
But then again it is a giant ass robot, so having a railgun or two isn't that unfair...
or maybe the railgun option is moved to the ubersuit and broadsides get the smaller gun but more and for cheaper, maybe 6 twin-linked S8 guns per unit.

It really comes down to how good they will be in terms of points as well.
S8 72" AP2 twin-linked is nothing to scoff at, and with skyfire that's a whole lot of trouble for fliers.

Hit the nail on the head. 6 TL S8 (I'm on the fence whether they'd be AP2 or AP1, if the rumor is true) shots with skyfire that can reach out over most of a standard game board? Nasty...simply nasty. I'm all for 3 classes of rail weapons, especially if this is how it ends up in the Codex.

 Desubot wrote:
But definitely the st 8 is definitely not much of an issue. Im more concerned with the no A.S.S and what the cost will end up. if they leave the twinlinked plasma option and gave them relenetless i could see them being awesome deathstar but we will have to wait till the codex comes

Just give them Jet Pack and they'd be good to go.

Actually, having three "grades" of Rail weapons makes sense, kinda like the three "grades" of Darklight weapons that DE get - Disintegrators, Blasters, and Dark Lances. I could see S6 AP3 Rail Rifles, S8 AP2 Rail Guns on Broadsides, and S10 AP1 Rail "cannons" on Hammerheads. I could also see the Rail Rifles being more common throughout the FOC as a result (possibly as a FW squad upgrade?), it'd give Broadsides a strong anti-armor role (esp with Skyfire), and it'd give people a reason to use Hammerheads over Broadsides again.

In addition, that would also leave room to put Broadside grade Railguns on a Tau Flyer - without putting S10 AP1 Skyfire shots out there. Don't want to make all the other AV12 flyers out there cry too easily, do we?

Oh, and the rumor about a squad upgrade / character giving an extra shot if the squad doesn't move - sounds an awful lot like a Salvo option to me. Maybe as wargear? Or one of those Ethereal "auras" that have been rumored?

S8 Railguns? Broadsides getting nerfed to make the Hammerhead seem useful?

I really hope someone answers that phone. Because I FRIGGIN' CALLED IT!

Honestly I find those rumors particularly hard to swallow. Tau of course not joining the "Buy this HQ to unlock these troops" party would be a big deal breaker for me.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
S8 Railguns? Broadsides getting nerfed to make the Hammerhead seem useful?

I really hope someone answers that phone. Because I FRIGGIN' CALLED IT!

Honestly I find those rumors particularly hard to swallow. Tau of course not joining the "Buy this HQ to unlock these troops" party would be a big deal breaker for me.

I don't think it's really a nerf. It's more like redefining the role of the Broadside. Right now, there is really not much reason to take a Railhead over a Broad. Now, if they do give the Broad an S8 railgun, but give you the option to give it Skyfire, you have an extremely potent counter to light armor and flyers, without it being OP. A S10 AP1 skyfire weapon is broken; so long as you hit, you will always glance (or even pen) nearly every flyer in the game. Additionally, there aren't many S8 weapons out there with a long reach like a railgun (assuming they don't reduce the range), so when you add it all together and realize that if this is indeed where they're taking the Broadside, it's a quite effective unit.

Ways in which Str 8 broadside railguns might not be horrible

1) Broadsides have 2 railguns instead of a twin linked railgun

2) Crisis suits and other models might be able to purchase them

3) The rumored 'beam' effect may be applied.

4) Broadsides could become cheaper than they are now.


Also, we already have 3 tiers of railguns as the Hammerhead and the Broadside weapons are not the same already. Most of us wanted something more to distinguish them, though I think we were hoping for an upgrade to the Hammerhead rather than a potential degrade to the Broadside.