Machine Spirits?

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**Nerobellum**

PredaKhaine wrote:
I'm sure the mechanicus uses wetware for servitors and skitaari - I've just re-read the middle book in the dark apostle series (dark disciple?) and the corrupted tech priest is able to plant knowledge into another tech priests(albeit of a lower rank) head and retrieve it at a later date.
I just assumed that carried through - it would explain how machine spirits get corrupted

I'd not read about those missiles (I don't play vanilla marines) so thatnks for the quote -also thanks for the link - that was an interesting read

They make a pretty clear distinction between wetware and AI in First Heretic. The Ad Mec Detachment of the 47th expeditionary fleet has several constructs that are run on wetware and get some screentime. The magos working on them even has an internal dialogue concerning it. Wetware is where the AdMec stops when it concerns giving machines any degree of sentients (that is to say, they don't do it. Wetware is still a biological entity controlling a mechanical one).

**PredaKhaine**

The Kaban project was a good read too - the admech gave a robot construct true AI.
The next time we see it, it's been possessed/corrupted. Which makes me think - can deamons in 40k possess a computer?
I always thought possession relied on things having a soul.

**da001**

Or intelligence. After all, the AI rebelled against humanity at some point in the distant past.

Data Demons are used by the Dark Mechanicus. And I think the bad guy in "Dark Adeptus" was some form of AI turned demonic. There is a lot of talking in the book about what it really is, but at the end is either a computer turned demon or a demonically possessed computer.

PredaKhaine wrote:

I'd not read about those missiles (I don't play vanilla marines) so thatnks for the quote -also thanks for the link - that was an interesting read

You are welcome. I love this kind of stuff.

**Crimson**

PredaKhaine wrote:
The Kaban project was a good read too - the admech gave a robot construct true AI.
The next time we see it, it's been possessed/corrupted. Which makes me think - can deamons in 40k possess a computer?
I always thought possession relied on things having a soul.

40K daemons can possess anything, tanks, weapons, toasters and probably even rocks. No soul is required.

**PredaKhaine**

Crimson wrote:
PredaKhaine wrote:
The Kaban project was a good read too - the admech gave a robot construct true AI.
The next time we see it, it's been possessed/corrupted. Which makes me think - can deamons in 40k possess a computer?
I always thought possession relied on things having a soul.

40K daemons can possess anything, tanks, weapons, toasters and probably even rocks. No soul is required.

I want to see a possessed toaster now

**Selym**

ThePrimordial wrote:
So I did a lot of reading and looking around and there's a distinct possibility that advanced and complex machines like Titans, Baneblades, Land Raiders are in possession of a physical soul. As in they go to the warp when they die. I don't know exactly the pretenses that must be met to be in possession of a soul but everything living in 40k has a soul even daemons. The only thing that all of these have in common are sapience. Given that living things become daemons by showing off in a god's domain, and the presence of daemonic beasts, random animals might become daemons. So all that might be required to have a warp presence large enough to have a soul is personality,functioning thinking,& emotions. This would explain why rogue titans are referred to as corrupted because they actually are. Thoughts?

In the book Helsreach, there is a great description with a princeps trying to maintain control of a warlord titan's spirit. It describes the titan's rage trying to overpower her, and that all previous princeps have had their own souls sucked into this machine's soul.

The warlord is made out to be an extremely powerful entity, aside from the acutal physical power, that is.

On the subject of corruption, I think it is more likely that a corrupted titan is simply one that is controlled by a corrupted princeps, as theey can override the titan's own will.

**gilamonster**

When my Xbox broke I prayed to the machine god to fix and begged the machine spirts in it to start working it ignore me.

**Psienesis**

Did you burn incense, light candles, anoint it with sacred machine oil and chant the Litany of Resuscitation?

No? Well, that's why it didn't work, you were doing it wrong.

**gilamonster**

I used up my supplies on my car

**da001**

This sounds as a new faction.
HQ: daemonic XBox.
Troops: possessed roasters.

**MadEdric**

I believe there is a 40k comic that is a monologue of a bolter that talks of its companion (the Space Marine) and how it has served him for so long.