Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

 aliusexalio wrote:

 Skylifter wrote:
Have you guys even considered that some people maybe just don't like to be put under pressure to perform in their free time? There is enough of that everywhere in our professional lives.

Seriously, you make it sound as if people who paint slowly - because they are either rather new to painting, or because they spend a lot of time on details, or any other reason frankly - were bad, bad people who should not be allowed to play. As if they had to come up with a justification for not painting all the models they chose to buy.

Tell you what: they don't. Nobody needs a justification to do something he enjoys, as long as he isn't harming anyone else while doing it. And playing with unpainted minis is certainly not harming anyone.

Sorry, but you are the sons of silly persons. You can personally choose to never play against someone whose army isn't fully painted if you think that will make your hobby more enjoyable, but acting as if that were a crime against humanity is just childish.

You are not put under pressure. Painted armies simply offer a lot more immersion. Then again you are right, people cannot be forced to paint their armies, however they shouldn't cry like little babies when other people either refuse to play against them or make snarky remarks. Or in this threads case my beautifully painted models gain "hatred" vs your plastic muppets.

And yet those same people making snarky remarks just seem so self-narcissistic (Seriously, vs your plastic muppets? You people show your narcissism very easily) because they painted little toy men, there ARE people who enjoy just the game itself, and not the painting!

"It breaks MY immersium, I feel that they shouldn't play at all because they haven't painted!"

It's just so sickening how downright hostile you people are. Most of you wouldn't help them at all paint if it came down to it, and not everyone wants to ruin their models because they paint very poorly, or really just don't want to use their free time for something they'd consider a chore.

By forcing people to paint their models you build a connection between them and their models. You have put the effort into them, so you have something more valuable than just a pile of plastic glued together. It is a reinforcing behaviour, at least IMO, that gets people far more into the hobby than if they just assemble the latest kit, then drop it into a box when the next shiny thing catches their attention.

If people don't want to paint their models they don't have to, however a lot of people play miniature tabletop wargames for the enjoyment of the painted models.

You can't expect those people to want to play with unpainted models.

 SilverMK2 wrote:
By forcing people to paint their models you build a connection between them and their models. You have put the effort into them, so you have something more valuable than just a pile of plastic glued together. It is a reinforcing behaviour, at least IMO, that gets people far more into the hobby than if they just assemble the latest kit, then drop it into a box when the next shiny thing catches their attention.

In many cases that will cause less connection, and more of a spiteful outlook towards those narcissistic players who have to have everything their way, that forced them to go above and beyond playing a game they enjoy.

I've seen plenty of players who have unpainted armies have far better connection, fluff, and even entire stories for their played models, compared to the many WAAC players that do have painted armies that to them are just a pile of plastic that allows them to try and dominate the tournaments with the latest, strongest codex.

weeble1000 wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:
As someone who paints very slowly to get a result I can be proud of rather than 3 colour base, drybrush, dunk model in wash like a lot of people I know, this rule disgusts me.

Yeah, but let's be honest here. People who paint well but just need a little more time to get their models finished are a minority compared to the people who have bare plastic armies (often with broken parts due to careless treatment, glue puddles everywhere, etc) because they just don't give a .

What I don't appreciate is that I have seen several communities in which having a bare plastic or primed or even partially painted miniature gets you treated very much the same as if you did not give a crap. Too often I see people placing a huge emphasis on painting being essential to admittance into the clubhouse, but no emphasis on helping or encouraging people to paint in a positive, constructive manner.

I do not think that this is going to be the case in most situations based upon my own experience.
The only times I have ever seen individuals with bare plastic/primed or WIP miniatures get treated "as though they did not give a crap" was when the individual in question was known to the group as a codex hopper.

YMMV of course but that is my experience with a local group that is predominantly fun players.

If you want someone to paint their models, try offering to help. "Hey, those look great. Do you have a paint scheme in mind?" "I think that would be really cool! Have you thought about this technique?" "You know, I have an airbrush. I bet we could get a base coat on your whole army in an afternoon. Do you want to come over to my place this weekend and lay down a base coat?"

I rarely see that. If other people painting their miniatures is so important to your enjoyment of the hobby, why not take some of your own time and effort to make it a reality?

Anecdotal experience coming here as well:
I know of at least two individuals who turned down offers from group members exactly as you described.
Their reasoning?
"I can't unload a painted army as quickly when a new codex arrives."

I am kind of curious as to why this store has instituted that set of rules.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
It's just so sickening how downright hostile you people are.

I think the only people who are being hostile are those rage quitting because it is being suggested to give a bonus to people who put some extra effort into their passtimes.

Most of you wouldn't help them at all paint if it came down to it

Speaking in generalities, however I guess you mean that "most people would not help others paint"... not sure where you get that impression. Most of my posts are in the painting and modelling section - either talking about completed models, or advising on techniques, colour choices, ways of building etc... if I had someone who wanted to learn to paint I'd do all I could to help them to paint as well as they are able (my physical skills may not be the best when it comes to painting, but I know quite a lot ).

and not everyone wants to ruin their models because they paint very poorly or really just don't want to use their free time for something they'd consider a chore.

In this day and age of the internet for tutorials and things like washes, it is absurdly easy to paint up a unit that looks good on the table relatively quickly. Hell, look at the GD winners of the early 90's and compare them to what most people would consider tabletop today... the gap has closed considerably and in many cases surpassed what we were seeing then.

My Eldar are painted with white primer, a wash of orange paint, a light black wash, then black paint for the helmet and yellow for the face - a 3 colour minimum which is then enhanced with a wash of grey paint for the guns and blue ink for the stones and lenses. Total time per model (if I did it all in one sitting rather than getting bored after 20 minutes) is probably about 10 minutes.

Also bonus points as this is the second time I have posted this image in a thread today



Edit: Fixed quote.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
In many cases that will cause less connection, and more of a spiteful outlook towards those narcissistic players who have to have everything their way, that forced them to go above and beyond playing a game they enjoy.

Perhaps "forcing people" was the wrong choice of words - since this rule is not forcing people to paint.

Also note I said "IMO".

I've seen plenty of players who have unpainted armies have far better connection, fluff, and even entire stories for their played models, compared to the many WAAC players that do have painted armies that to them are just a pile of plastic that allows them to try and dominate the tournaments with the latest, strongest codex.

I guess we play in different kinds of events/places

The only rule that the op's store that would make me not want to play their is about the waaaaaagh roll. I allways hate it when ork players yell at the top of their lungs. We have alot of them at my local store and it always makes me want to slap them.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

And yet those same people making snarky remarks just seem so self-narcissistic (Seriously, vs your plastic muppets? You people show your narcissism very easily) because they painted little toy men, there ARE people who enjoy just the game itself, and not the painting!

"It breaks MY immersium, I feel that they shouldn't play at all because they haven't painted!"

It's just so sickening how downright hostile you people are. Most of you wouldn't help them at all paint if it came down to it, and not everyone wants to ruin their models because they paint very poorly, or really just don't want to use their free time for something they'd consider a chore.

You seem downright mad and stereotyping. It's like your afraid of painters. Painterphobe? All those you people...

In all seriousness. I have no problem with these rules. Even though in fantasy Hatred is far better than 40k (from the way people are downplaying that rule it seems that way). I work 30 hours a week. I go to school full time. I have a social life. I have a girlfriend. I paint a few hours a week. Even though my army isn't done, it's getting closer each week. I don't enjoy playing people who don't even try to get their stuff painted.

If its a chore, then instead of buying more models and getting the latest and greatest models, commission some work. If you know the right people you can get tabletop quality for pretty cheap.

Yeah I don't get the Waagh either. My orks are Waaghing, not me. I'm just standing here telling them to Waagh. If you feel you must Waagh, at least keep it to once in a while.

At the GW i play the rule is that to put it on the table it needs to be at least primed. I find this rule more then fair. The hatred against unpainted armiwes comes along when they run starter campaigns where you buy a unit and expand your army over the course of months and play every month with the models you worked on that month. And honestly the hatred really is not that big of a deal. infact entry into such campaigns is entirely optional and working towards a small painted force is the entire idea of the campaign so the rules for such a campaign giving incentive to painting is entirely valid.

I am personally an orky player, I have red (Charge, MtC & WAAGH rolls) blue (when i really need to make saves) and yellow dice (for when i need my shooting to hit). I love belowing a hearty waagh and honestly the hate against vocalised waaghs surprises me to no end. Its part of playing orks. It used to be mandatory in the rules. but above all its fun. Though a hearty waagh doesn't have to make the glass tremble and minatures explode spotaneously either. Moderation is good in all things.

I honestly love gaming at my GW. The store manager we have over here is a gamer himself and may be one of the nicest guys I've met in the hobby. With all the hate flying in this thread I figured i'd pitch in my two cents and say that.

I am not a great painter, I can paint FAST because I for 8 or so years was the guy with the sea of grey that only painted for tournaments and absolutely loathed doing it. But you know what? I actually discovered that having painted minatures even if i am a bad painter makes my day and GW's range of washes makes painting easy. my iyanden goes white primers, wash entirely with cassandra yellow, slap black on weapons and joints, put necron abyss on all blue parts and spirit stones and when the bruh is almost dry from this go over the weapons for some highlights on the black. I then drop a little silver with a black wash on cables vents and symbols, dryblush alaitoc blue over the necron abyss and go over the spirit stones and eyes with purple highlights and a dot of white. The entire process sees a painted minature in about 20 minutes and a whole squad in about an hour and a half. And honestly they look ace because of how easy the new paint system makes getting table top results. i just finished a wave serpent and a crimson hunter over the weekend with free hand runes and the works on em. Maybe its not great, but looking at the squigly crooked lines i put on there myself makes me tingly inside even if they are not perfect.

I do not want to go back to playing grey anymore, but i understand why it was so easy. For those of you who are like i used to be, who love playing but nothing else. Who despair at knowing that they will never get better at painting. Whom see beautifully painted armies as a discouragement because they think they can never get there. Just try it. it eventually, somewhere along the way, becomes fun.

Good post Nick.

Painted miniatures show whether their owner cares for the army or not. At our tournaments, we also enforce the 3-color rule. Before, often, people just went FOTM and quickly bought model X that was overpowered just to have it, but now, you gotta paint it at least. Furthermore, you want to paint it as good as you can as yes, you might make a really gakky paintjob to quickly show up at a tournament, but people will look down on you and you gotta live with the paintjob you just did.

The quality of any actual non-compensating WAAC player's army's painting doesn't matter. I am a really bad painter too and I paint solid tabletop standard - not more, not less, because I lack the time for detailed painting and have a very unsteady hand plus troubles focussing on one minor task for a longer period of time. But I still try my best and that's what counts. A friend of a friend of mine recently joined us and he's got really bad eyesight due to a medical condition and thus, his paintjobs are very simple and plain - but the fact is that he spent time on painting these because he likes his models. And that, dear lords and ladies, is what counts.

Oh, and the Waaagh thing...I mean, yeah, it can be fun, but it can also annoy others. Like that one guy speaking like a Skaven during a match. I mean...sigh.

Stoupe wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

And yet those same people making snarky remarks just seem so self-narcissistic (Seriously, vs your plastic muppets? You people show your narcissism very easily) because they painted little toy men, there ARE people who enjoy just the game itself, and not the painting!

"It breaks MY immersium, I feel that they shouldn't play at all because they haven't painted!"

It's just so sickening how downright hostile you people are. Most of you wouldn't help them at all paint if it came down to it, and not everyone wants to ruin their models because they paint very poorly, or really just don't want to use their free time for something they'd consider a chore.

You seem downright mad and stereotyping. It's like your afraid of painters. Painterphobe? All those you people...

In all seriousness. I have no problem with these rules. Even though in fantasy Hatred is far better than 40k (from the way people are downplaying that rule it seems that way). I work 30 hours a week. I go to school full time. I have a social life. I have a girlfriend. I paint a few hours a week. Even though my army isn't done, it's getting closer each week. I don't enjoy playing people who don't even try to get their stuff painted.

If its a chore, then instead of buying more models and getting the latest and greatest models, commission some work. If you know the right people you can get tabletop quality for pretty cheap.

My own models are painted, it's just annoying when I see people who dismiss out of hand someone who wants to play a game, it just..doesn't seem right by any means.

Also considering the rest of those are considering those who do not paint as FOTM players..

Many people would say that painting is part of the game. There are plenty of games with pre-painted models, if you don't want to ever paint anything, why would you play a game that has a lot of painting involved.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 SilverMK2 wrote:
By forcing people to paint their models you build a connection between them and their models. You have put the effort into them, so you have something more valuable than just a pile of plastic glued together. It is a reinforcing behaviour, at least IMO, that gets people far more into the hobby than if they just assemble the latest kit, then drop it into a box when the next shiny thing catches their attention.

In many cases that will cause less connection, and more of a spiteful outlook towards those narcissistic players who have to have everything their way, that forced them to go above and beyond playing a game they enjoy.

I've seen plenty of players who have unpainted armies have far better connection, fluff, and even entire stories for their played models, compared to the many WAAC players that do have painted armies that to them are just a pile of plastic that allows them to try and dominate the tournaments with the latest, strongest codex.

Mate, do you even know what a narcissist is? It doesn't make you a narcissist if you refuse to play against people with unpainted armies, it makes you simply, a bloke who likes playing against painted models!

Personally, id never refuse to play someone, but I like that I have a small advantage, its like it fits in with my general view of life, you should reward the people that put the most effort in!

 mattyrm wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 SilverMK2 wrote:
By forcing people to paint their models you build a connection between them and their models. You have put the effort into them, so you have something more valuable than just a pile of plastic glued together. It is a reinforcing behaviour, at least IMO, that gets people far more into the hobby than if they just assemble the latest kit, then drop it into a box when the next shiny thing catches their attention.

In many cases that will cause less connection, and more of a spiteful outlook towards those narcissistic players who have to have everything their way, that forced them to go above and beyond playing a game they enjoy.

I've seen plenty of players who have unpainted armies have far better connection, fluff, and even entire stories for their played models, compared to the many WAAC players that do have painted armies that to them are just a pile of plastic that allows them to try and dominate the tournaments with the latest, strongest codex.

Mate, do you even know what a narcissist is? It doesn't make you a narcissist if you refuse to play against people with unpainted armies, it makes you simply, a bloke who likes playing against painted models!

Personally, id never refuse to play someone, but I like that I have a small advantage, its like it fits in with my general view of life, you should reward the people that put the most effort in!

You wouldn't be considered it, but just some of the replies in this thread against those unpainted was what got me.

Apple fox wrote:

That's the thing, I can't just paint as I please, right now I can't even hold a brush and paint as it gets very painfull and I likely won't be able to for a few weeks again probably. Playing a game is far less difficult for the time it takes and only difficulty would be reaching to the centre of the table.
I really enjoy painting, but it's a slow process that shouldn't effect me in the game as I want to do best as I can. Weather or not it's a big effect, it's only comes off as a punishment to me.

Then i apologise, but i'm sure if you mentioned that to your opponents, they wouldn't bother playing the rule. As that is a 110% a good a reason as any to field unpainted mini's.

Also i'm sure 99% of people on here wouldn't reject a game with an unpainted army. But if they were offered a choice and there is no valid reason why the mini's are unpainted, they would always prefer to play against someone with a painted army.

Also regarding i can't paint well therefore i won't paint them. A) why get into a hobby that a massive part of it is painting? or why havn't you paid somone to paint yours. B) most importantly how are you ever going to improve on your painting if you refuse to do it.

Its because a number of those people who won't paint their army are either FoTM or WAAC or both. And people don't like those types to begin with.

DanFST wrote:

Apple fox wrote:

That's the thing, I can't just paint as I please, right now I can't even hold a brush and paint as it gets very painfull and I likely won't be able to for a few weeks again probably. Playing a game is far less difficult for the time it takes and only difficulty would be reaching to the centre of the table.
I really enjoy painting, but it's a slow process that shouldn't effect me in the game as I want to do best as I can. Weather or not it's a big effect, it's only comes off as a punishment to me.

Then i apologise, but i'm sure if you mentioned that to your opponents, they wouldn't bother playing the rule. As that is a 110% a good a reason as any to field unpainted mini's.

Also i'm sure 99% of people on here wouldn't reject a game with an unpainted army. But if they were offered a choice and there is no valid reason why the mini's are unpainted, they would always prefer to play against someone with a painted army.

Also regarding i can't paint well therefore i won't paint them. A) why get into a hobby that a massive part of it is painting? or why havn't you paid somone to paint yours. B) most importantly how are you ever going to improve on your painting if you refuse to do it.

It's all good .
I actuly think if players want to play with painted army's, for and against that's all good. It's just when stores start to support that with in game rule changes it starts to get uncomfortable to me.
I don't think anywhere I play has taking up rules like this regarding painting outside of tournaments, which I also think is fine. At least all I have play in have given rewards for it as well as play.

 Krellnus wrote:

Instead of having this honestly stupid rule, reward people who paint, instead of penalising those who don't.

They are rewarding people who paint. Their units are more effective than unpainted units. It's really just semantics. If each painted unit got a re-roll, it still means the unpainted units are penalized because they don't share in the bonus. Wailing and gnashing of teeth would still issue forth from the owners of the unpainted armies.

 SilverMK2 wrote:
My Eldar are painted with white primer, a wash of orange paint, a light black wash, then black paint for the helmet and yellow for the face - a 3 colour minimum which is then enhanced with a wash of grey paint for the guns and blue ink for the stones and lenses. Total time per model (if I did it all in one sitting rather than getting bored after 20 minutes) is probably about 10 minutes.

Also bonus points as this is the second time I have posted this image in a thread today

Seeing as we are being open and honest, considering how those models are painted I would rather play with unpainted models. That standard of painting in no way makes me more connected to the "hobby" which you are trying to define for each and everyone of us. Also, considering how much GW models cost I find the time you have spent doing those wholly inadequate and quite laughable. Doesn't mean I would be a douche about it - opinions are opinions and are often best kept to oneselves. Having said that there are somethings I would like to share seeing as we are having this discussion:

Several points for everyone:
1) If you don't want to play against unpainted models politely decline but no need to be an ass about it.
2) If your army is unpainted and someone declines to play you, thems the breaks. Accept it with good grace and find someone who has a similar attitude to the hobby that you do.
3) The hobby of wargaming is breathtakingly broad in how it can be approached. It covers those who are horrified if a 15mm French 1812 army has the wrong color shoulder epiletes through to those who are quite happy using tokens with the name written on them.
4) Don't judge or get bent out of shape towards others who have a different approach. The level of enjoyment you seek from a hobby in order to relax and escape from the stress of life is purely up to you. However, there are consequences to the level you choose - accept that with good grace as well.
5) Using the would "force" or "encourage" in this thread is dumb - why should you be trying to change someone's opinion?
6) Your opinion is only valid to you and your circumstances. Judging other people in a hobby people use to relax is an anethma to having a hobby.

 fullheadofhair wrote:
Seeing as we are being open and honest, considering how those models are painted I would rather play with unpainted models.

May I ask why?

Edit: I see you think that the time spent per model isn't that high but is the result really that terrible?

 SilverMK2 wrote:

 fullheadofhair wrote:
Seeing as we are being open and honest, considering how those models are painted I would rather play with unpainted models.

May I ask why?

Sure, I will share my opinion, but as I have said I am only really sharing it as I am quite amazed at people's thoughts in this thread.

The reason why is I find models that have just been sprayed, washed and drybrushed and left unhighlighted with details unpicked out jarring to the eye. I prefer unpainted models to poor paint jobs - purely an aestetic thing and purely my own opinion. Not usually something I ever share with people. I absolutely hate seeing beautifully crafted miniatures sloppily painted with people saying this whole unit only took me two mins todo and hey, it has the three color minimum.

Wouldnt affect my decison to play with you in the slightest. Certain wouldn't share my inner thoughts on it with you.

But I find it quite amusing that people say it is about immersing themselves in the hobby but yet they are quite happy to put out, imho, appallingly rushed paint jobs and yet some how manage to be quite superior about it when comparing themsleves to the half painted army. If many people were truely honest I bet I am not the only person with this opinion.

Well I almost agree but there is a difference between a rush job and someone who isn't all the good at painting. Not everyone can be an artist, and I would rather see someone who is putting out an effort as opposed to not even trying. However it is very easy to tell the difference between someone who can't paint and someone who is doing a rush job.

 SilverMK2 wrote:

 fullheadofhair wrote:
Seeing as we are being open and honest, considering how those models are painted I would rather play with unpainted models.

May I ask why?

Edit: I see you think that the time spent per model isn't that high but is the result really that terrible?

Yeah, those Eldar are in no way 'bad' especially when the "pot calling the kettle black" models in his gallery are way worse.

Painted models show effort, and you can't leap to a amazing paintjob out of the gate. People will need to paint lots of gloppy models in their career to learn to paint better and send the old models to the stripping bath. I would rather play against someone's attempted paint, and expose him to other models so he can learn techniques and grow opposed to 'quit' and just say 'unpainted greys for my valuable models because a bad paint job is damaging my expensive models'.

I am actually in the process of striping and repainting my first army, IG. Now granted after the 100th guardsman my painting seriously improved, but those early models looked aweful. Now they look awesome.

Imperial Deceit wrote:
Well I almost agree but there is a difference between a rush job and someone who isn't all the good at painting. Not everyone can be an artist, and I would rather see someone who is putting out an effort as opposed to not even trying. However it is very easy to tell the difference between someone who can't paint and someone who is doing a rush job.

and I agree with you 100% - I will often admire a "poorly" painted army that someone has sweated over an army that appears great but you know is well below the standard that the person can produce. Often, we are gaming in commuties and we know the people we meet, talk with and play with and therefore the circumstances of their life and their abilities and their approach to the hobby.

Which goes to what I am saying about treating each other with respect and respecting how they choose to enjoy their hobby. But it goes both ways. So called "paint nazi" and the foams at the mouth non painter are just as bad as each other. The key is to find people who either have the same approach or are comfortable stepping out of their approach to the hobby.

I find the fact that people can get so bent out of shape in a modelling/ wargaming hobby quite amazing and totally not understandable in the slightest.

 fullheadofhair wrote:


Which goes to what I am saying about treating each other with respect and respecting how they choose to enjoy their hobby. But it goes both ways. So called "paint nazi" and the foams at the mouth non painter are just as bad as each other. The key is to find people who either have the same approach or are comfortable stepping out of their approach to the hobby.

I find the fact that people can get so bent out of shape in a modelling/ wargaming hobby quite amazing and totally not understandable in the slightest.

But there is a difference between painters and non-painters.

Non-painting can have a direct, quantifiable documented impact on sales within a store, and many times it is in the store owners best interest to require painting, or minimum standards during some or all of the 'open gaming'. There is also an issue with theft which requiring 'primed' helps protect against as often a store is hard to keep an eye if someone pops a blister and assembles a 25$ model vs brought it from home. 'primed' makes it easy to distinguish.

And when someone pays rent on the air you breathe, he has the right to tell you the 'correct' way to hobby while in his store. If that is with a minor rule change to encourage painting, then there is a 'wrong way' to hobby.

Showing up with a 100% painted army never imposes upon anyone. You never are never imposing on the store owner and hurting his space usage or sales, you are never imposing on opponents and burdening them with unclear greys with no visual contrast to help distinguish with in-game play, you are never helping provide a 'cloak' for those who wish to commit theft through obscurity in a crowd.

If you don't like it, play somewhere else. Problem solved. If a store wants to force or encourage painting via ways that 'offend' you then get out and you won't have to be offended.

People love their plastic crack, as long as it’s their version of it. Simple as that. Now group to group I agree that there is a lot more leniencies because you know them, and you know whose army is getting painted still and who is a warhammer Michel Angelo. However in this particular circumstance, the store is well within its rights to create any policy they feel is proper for their business. Whether or not you agree with it is something you have to vote on with your wallet. They have other motivation for the rules they created, we don’t know what the intention was. If I was a regular at that game store and saw it as a problem I would talk to the owner (in a logical, diplomatic way) and direct him to this thread so he can see what people think of the policy. Would he change it? Who knows, but such decisions are often made in a vacuum with little to no foresight except correcting the immediate problem. ( I see a lot of that)

Imperial Deceit wrote:
People love their plastic crack, as long as it’s their version of it. Simple as that. Now group to group I agree that there is a lot more leniencies because you know them, and you know whose army is getting painted still and who is a warhammer Michel Angelo. However in this particular circumstance, the store is well within its rights to create any policy they feel is proper for their business. Whether or not you agree with it is something you have to vote on with your wallet. They have other motivation for the rules they created, we don’t know what the intention was. If I was a regular at that game store and saw it as a problem I would talk to the owner (in a logical, diplomatic way) and direct him to this thread so he can see what people think of the policy. Would he change it? Who knows, but such decisions are often made in a vacuum with little to no foresight except correcting the immediate problem. ( I see a lot of that)

Actually, most policies like this are made with well-informed info which knows his local customer base much better than applying it to the internet as a whole. Some locations this may increase sales, others may face strict boycotts. Different groups of people want different things. This thread exists because it was this weeks way fo stirring the 'We all still hate GW' pot. This is not a global policy, just one at a specific GW... and the manager is the one who will know if it helps his store and he will live and die by his decision. A store owner knows full well if his sales jump a few hundred dollars when his tables are full of painted armies vs half-assembled greys... He also knows what days work best for which hobbies hence often Wargaming is banished to a weeknight when street traffic is low since the customers are not 'helping' generate more sales... (and then we have all card games all weekend)

This 'I don't like it and it wouldn't work in my area therefor it is a bad failed policy everywhere' is what is not valid, but if you did direct the GW person to this thread, you would find more people than not either agree with or don't mind the policy, which may validate what he expects to see local in his customerbase.

Eh, the only rule there that bugs me is the "No Waaagh! shout=no Waaagh! roll." I could do without people bellowing at the top of their lungs in the middle of games, thanks.

And I say this as someone with lots of unpainted minis.