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Hi Folks,

My understanding is that you will be able to up your pledges with more Platoons and add-ons in the survey. (I think that will be good news for many.)

I think Gav has gone into this kickstarter with the intention of building his company long term, so I would think that he is looking at it as an investment and not as an immediate revenue stream. His major return will be in a grown customer base worldwide, and of course when we all start playing Winter War he has got over 400 advertising agents around the globe. I think he has used it as a long term marketing project that at the same time as introducing new customers also insures the production of a total whole range of figures that corners a niche in the market.

Now isn't that actually a good business model?

That is my take on it.

Silliest part would be I'd drop that second 60 quid payment just for the vehicles and a few single models, it's that good a deal you can basically ignore 50%+ of the stuff and still have an awesome deal.

Yeah... the Russiand get like 5 vehicles which will cost 22 pounds EACH. 22 pounds is an ok price for a 1/56 vehicle..

Sooooo if you just need any three vehicle, pledge for the platoon level and sell the rest (or give it away for freeeee)

Hi All,

Just to let everyone know that Gav has just put out the Update with lists of what's available, etc..

The link is:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1030835091/winter-war-wargaming-miniatures/posts/623762?ref=activity

or of course you can see it through clicking on the links for the kickstarter.

Going to be a great winter!

You can see the Update ONLY if you are a backer.

It's a massive list of stuff we get for free, when it will be send out, what exactly is in the making and how and what we can swap out for other things.

If the miniatures are good, this is going to be one if not the most amazing and surprising kickstarter I've backed so far!

For people curious about swapping things in their pledge, you can only trade in for SMG packs, rifle teams, or trucks for each side. You can't trade an aerosan in for another T26 or your medics for AT rifles.

Yeah it kind of sucks but you were practically getting them for free anyways so its no big deal.

Also, due to the massive amount of orders, guys who pledged late in the game probably won't get their stuff in November. Big shocker I know, but I'm cool with it. I've gotten to where I always assume a kick starter will fall behind, that way I can be pleasantly surprised if it does end up on time.

MrMoustaffa - There are quite a few who from the comments section are going for the 'All Together' delivery in March, so it is beginning to look very close that Baker Company will dispatch the first wave of shipments to those who choose this option on time, if not it is likely to be a very close thing.

You tell me this after I chose the all together option of course

Ah well I'll live. The guy is already giving me free shipping and that would eat him alive if he had to ship 3 or more packages across to me. It also helps since I don't even know where I'll store all these models, and gives me time to clear a spot.

The first orders have been shipped, those up to £30 without add-ons.

From the latest update Gav is now working on the November dispatches, which for most will be the first shipment of 2 or 3 such shipments making up their reward level plus extras.

Oh, and if any backers here have not returned their survey remember that Gav has included a poll for Baker Company's next kickstarter. Latest news (a couple of days old now) is that only 16 surveys are still outstanding, the race seems to be between the Balkans (a mighty meat grinder of an arena lasting over many years with numerous combating nations and forces, many of which are not currently either available or covered very slightly by existing figure ranges) or the 60 odd day campaign for Norway which of course was mainly naval engagements. (Wonder which one I voted for? )

Anyway, should get the first reactions from backers in the next few days as the initial shipments arrive.

Sweet, I'm curious to see all of the sculpts.

I cannot wait for these guys to arrive. I selected bulk shipment as well. Mostly because it gives me more time to improve my painting skill.

Just as a heads up, the latest update mentioned that the Balkans won the vote, so that will be the next kickstarter, around May or so if everything goes according to plan

Yes, Gav has declared the Balkans won the vote, a bit of a debate going on about what 'the Balkan Campaign/s' actually interprets as is going on at the moment.

The start of the kickstarter is apparently pencilled in for the April/May of next year, but depending on how the dispatch of the current Winter War goes the date may be varied IMO. Currently Gav seems to be at or in front of schedule, so just be ready in case that date should change a little.

Now we are all trying to influence Gav with comments and emails as to what the starting point should be. But no doubt some things Gav will keep quiet about, and rightly so, until the kickstarter actually launches.

Quoting CBRFigs for Hilarity. Especially since he got his figures and sold them off (check his post history here)

CBRFigs wrote:
Azazelx - Have you actually seen what he has done before?

Also he bought the company, and already it is clearly stated that the T-26 and Armoured Car will likely be later deliveries, so they are not planned for November delivery anyway. As for the figures the majority of the time is in the sculpting (again look at his background and the work he is doing on the figs now), and to produce the figures themselves does not actually take that long in itself when the moulds are made.

I love doubting Thomas', especially when they actually have no evidence for having a 'bad feeling' - but then again I am a dog lover and not a cat lover for that reason I guess. :-)

For the rest of us, I did a little late-night digging since it's clear that Gavin Tyler has no intention of fulfilling this Kickstarter:

We all know that this project hasn't been updated in 8 months, and only had 3 updates since Christmas 2014.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/550999.page#6031501
"their website (http://bakercompany.co.uk/) has a decent range of stuff on it and their about us page says:"

"Baker Company is now owned by Gavin Tyler (also of Warm Acre Games www.warmacre.com) as of 23rd June 2013. Thanks goes to Danny who has been able to make the company a success over the last 3 years. Gavin has been casting the miniatures for Baker Company for 2 years and knows the miniature ranges inside out (literally), he is also a games designer, a sculptor of 10 years experience and a graphic designer by trade.

(This info has since been removed from the Baker Company website).

But then...

http://www.warmacre.com/

And what do you fething know?
http://janeaustensmatchmaker.com/
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1386779695/jane-austens-matchmaker-with-zombies

Warm Acre Games
November 7, 2015 ·
Spy or Die Trying now on Amazon USA too: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00G8OSPKY

Board Game - Spy Or Die Trying
Board Game - Spy Or Die Trying - Warm Acre. Enter a world of cool spies, criminal masterminds and cheesy acronyms! Spy or Die Trying is the game of infiltration and espionage that pits secret agents against a ruthless megalomaniac. You…
AMAZON.COM
1Melissa Tyler

Looks like Gav's wife/sister or other relative likes it. So clearly it's our friend

Warm Acre Games
February 27 at 7:25am ·
Last few hours until the end of our Kickstarter!
Jane Austen's Matchmaker... with Zombies
KICKSTARTER.COM

And our mate Gav has started and run (and completed) another KS under another name. Well, under the name of his Warm Acre business partner.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1386779695/jane-austens-matchmaker-with-zombies

Finished Feb 27th. Just a shame I didn't go digging a couple of weeks ago.

Oh, here's Warm Acre's Facebook link:
https://www.facebook.com/Warm-Acre-Games-162175100490463/?fref=nf

And the one for the Jane Austen game that seems to have been the focus for the last calendar year (instead of this project).

Jane Austen's MatchmakerLike Page
January 23 ·
It’s been just over a year since we launched Jane Austen’s Matchmaker and we’ve received many requests for a zombie-themed expansion. So now we have one!

If an undead apocalypse is your cup of tea, please help us bring it to life on Kickstarter.
Jane Austen's Matchmaker... with Zombies
KICKSTARTER.COM

https://www.facebook.com/JaneAustensMatchmaker/?fref=nf


Gav still finds time to keep busy outside of Baker Company

http://spyordietrying.com/info/

About Warm Acre Games
Warm Acre was founded by Richard Wolfrik Galland and Gavin Tyler who met while working at Games Workshop.

Rich is the ideas generator and creative writer; he has worked as a games developer at Hasbro and alongside Sony Japan’s PlayStation games design team, he has also written a number of puzzle books for Carlton Publishing.

Gav is the art director, production manager and miniatures designer. The multi-talented multi-tasker also finds time to be an Army Cadet instructor and father to two miniature Cornish pirates.

--------------
Richard Galland, Gav's business partner at Warm Acre:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1386779695/jane-austens-matchmaker-with-zombies/creator_bio

So Gav's ignoring this project, but not ignoring Kickstarter.

Ugh I knew it. I'd hassle him for the money if it wasn't for the fact that the dispute period ended over a year ago.

CBRFigs wrote:I think Gav has gone into this kickstarter with the intention of building his company long term, so I would think that he is looking at it as an investment and not as an immediate revenue stream. His major return will be in a grown customer base worldwide, and of course when we all start playing Winter War he has got over 400 advertising agents around the globe.

MrMoustaffa wrote:Ugh I knew it. I'd hassle him for the money if it wasn't for the fact that the dispute period ended over a year ago.

Unfortunately it hasn't worked out especially well. I think I have most of my rewards but I'm not inclined to invest the effort to check or complain. It's very apparent Gav is no longer interested.

Good to know what his other companies are. Duly noted to avoid any future support.

BrizzleRob wrote:

CBRFigs wrote:I think Gav has gone into this kickstarter with the intention of building his company long term, so I would think that he is looking at it as an investment and not as an immediate revenue stream. His major return will be in a grown customer base worldwide, and of course when we all start playing Winter War he has got over 400 advertising agents around the globe.

MrMoustaffa wrote:Ugh I knew it. I'd hassle him for the money if it wasn't for the fact that the dispute period ended over a year ago.

Unfortunately it hasn't worked out especially well. I think I have most of my rewards but I'm not inclined to invest the effort to check or complain. It's very apparent Gav is no longer interested.

Good to know what his other companies are. Duly noted to avoid any future support.

Whoah you actually got some stuff?

I didn't get a thing because I was a moron and opted for the "send it to me all at once" choice.

Were the models any good?

I got the full Finnish army a while back... I guess I got it because I complaines a lot :\
Some minis are suuuper good. Highly accurate, well sxulpted and with a good Cast.

Others are just a mess with wonk proportions, mould lines everywhere and mould Slips drin the 80s.

I've never got time to get behind the basic prep and build Stage, so the minis are all packes up in a box in m cellar.

Anyone Interested in buying them?

Most weren't especially good; some of the sculpts were clumsy and lazy, and many of the castings seemed rushed (grainy finish). All in all very disappointing, and I remember the excitement and expectation at the outset.

The models are sitting untouched. One day I'll get around to them and hope they look better with some paint applied.

He stole a bit of cash from me as well. Need to look into ways of getting it back.

I got some infantry, but never got any of the vehicles.

Sad. I was really tempted by this one. Shame it turned out poorly. A pox on him!