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Well, I suppose at least its stopped the pretence of being anything other than an over-priced catalogue.

+1 Internets to the first person to do a drawing of the cartoon-ised former editors of WD going back over the past 30 years, stood around and caps in hand while the coffin holding the White Dwarf is lowered into the ground.

Seems the magazine is exactly as bad, lazy and pointless as I feared.
Who can Tom Kirby fire this time for his stupid decisions?

snurl wrote:Imagine a battle report with no tactical diagrams and brief, single paragraph (single sentence) descriptions.
(duplicate description in Spanish)
(duplicate description in German)

Well, it's the special kind of Spanish spoken in France

scarletsquig wrote:WD Visions only has the first one on that list, and a list of GW stores which is the largest body of text in the entire thing,

Wait, they still have that list of all GW stores in the mag? How many pages? Still 11?

 snurl wrote:
Imagine a battle report with no tactical diagrams and brief, single paragraph (single sentence) descriptions.

(duplicate description in Spanish)
(duplicate description in German)

What the hell are GW thinking?

Time to figure out how to cancel a digital subscription, bye bye only thing I was still buying from GW... and on top of it WD was already on the knifes edge of cancellation as it was.

Same here. This is the tipping point.
I am going to see if i can swap my remaining subscription for the weekly magazine. If not, then Dakka and Warseer are my only source of info.
What happened to WD over the years is a classic example of someone fixing something that isnt broken.

 azreal13 wrote:
WDW has the job of promoting new releases, Visions can't as it appears at the start of the month, before most releases have been announced, making it even more redundant.

A showcase magazine meant to display new releases in the best possible light that can't actually show new releases because the company producing it is mortally afraid of ever showing things ahead of time.

I dunno... 'pathetic' just seems like too higher praise.

Yikes! It's amazing I'm disappointed after how subterranean my expectations were.

We all joke they don't know about "that fangled internet" but this really looks like something from a bygone age.

Huh. So that's how the dinosaurs died.

Another smart move by GW, so 4 new WD weekly will be more expensive than one old WD Monthly?

Nvision wrote:
Warhammer: Visions....because someone at GW smoked some crack, hallucinated, and thought this was a good idea.

I'm all for nice photography of well-painted models, but I don't need 300 pages of it every month. Readers have a chance to provide some immediate (and hopefully meaningful) feedback if they actually DO cancel their existing subscriptions, rather than just rabble rouse about it. That kind of instant-hit loss of customers should send a clear picture to GW that this is the wrong direction for White Dwarf.

That's it, of course, why didn't we see it sooner! GW's new Director of Marketing and Publishing is none other than Toronto Mayor Rob Ford!

I heard from an insider source ( a second cousin of the friend of the lady that cleans Kirby's Throne Room) that Visions is Kirby's brainchild after realizing how much money he was paying to all those sneaky publishers that send him Ferrari Visions, Porche Visions, Tropical Island Visions... at 50$ a pop.

If he is eager to pay that amount each month why not us?

So you heard it from the source, so now shut up and continue with your favorite part of the HOOOBBY buy more miniatures.

M.

Wow, I watched that video review after work. Good lord, GW. You do something right (Tyranid box set), and you follow it up with something so AWFUL! Warhammer Visions is one of the biggest jokes you've played on your customers. Two steps forward, 15 steps back. Bad job.

Rob Ford would do a better job... he just ruins his own life, he actually wasn't that bad at running the city lol...

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Rob Ford would do a better job... he just ruins his own life, he actually wasn't that bad at running the city lol...

Gunna have to agree with that....everyone loves him and he did some good stuff for T.O.....except you know getting rid of the crack problem (he took that into his own hands a little to much)

I think I am still gunna buy a copy of warhammer visions and the first weekly white dwarf. I mean for $15 bucks thats ALL I WILL EVER BUY!

I'll get a WD to flip through some pictures while taking a dump....ooops I mean....uhhhh....Nevermind

 Yodhrin wrote:

Nvision wrote:
Warhammer: Visions....because someone at GW smoked some crack, hallucinated, and thought this was a good idea.

I'm all for nice photography of well-painted models, but I don't need 300 pages of it every month. Readers have a chance to provide some immediate (and hopefully meaningful) feedback if they actually DO cancel their existing subscriptions, rather than just rabble rouse about it. That kind of instant-hit loss of customers should send a clear picture to GW that this is the wrong direction for White Dwarf.

That's it, of course, why didn't we see it sooner! GW's new Director of Marketing and Publishing is none other than Toronto Mayor Rob Ford!

This issue of White dwarf with a free block of crack and an article on how to eat at home!

On the bright side, while in some of my weaker moments I bought the older White Dwarf magazine for a read, now there is no question that I will save my money.

Jeez, what the heck were they thinking?

I could do this better:

A B4 book (halfway between A3 and A4) on a single theme - this month, make it either Tyranids or Dwarves. Make it ~80 pages.

Each double page spread would consist of a full page photograph or artwork on one page, with the other devoted to associated content - additional angles, WIPs for conversions, colour schemes, or a blurb about the artist.

In other words, make it a monthly coffee table book, each on a different part of the line. This can't last forever, but it doesn't have to.

To be fair, the current Warhammer Visions format can't last forever either. At the rate they chewed through Golden Demon models in the first issue, I'd expect that they'll be raiding the late 90s for content by the end of the year.

I would enjoy flipping through Warhammer Visions with my wife. She's not into warhams, but back when I had WD, we'd sometimes flip through it and look at the pictures together. If someone got a copy and didn't like it, I would buy it off you. US only.

I'd never subscribe to this unless it was super cheap, though. $1 or $2 an issue tops.

 Laughing Man wrote:
To be fair, the current Warhammer Visions format can't last forever either. At the rate they chewed through Golden Demon models in the first issue, I'd expect that they'll be raiding the late 90s for content by the end of the year.

Ahh, but heres where they drastically cut costs you see.

The terms for submissions for the daily dwarf column on the website and all the recent 'send in your army pics' competitions give them the right to publish any submitted work without acknowledgment of the owner or any recompense.

They have been building a library for this - free of charge- for about 3 years.

Wow, so many people going "immah cancel muh subscription!"

Again?

Every time we have a thread on WD it's full of people saying they're going to cancel their subscription but lo behold, there's still plenty of subscribers left to claim the same in the next thread. If you have a subscription at this moment, it means you willingly gave GW money for WD sometime within the last year. In advance, no less. You're part of the problem.

But we are talking about this poor substitute for WD called Warhammer Visions that GW has seen fit to stick all of us subscribers with this month. Whoops, I am now an Ex-subscriber.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Every time we have a thread on WD it's full of people saying they're going to cancel their subscription but lo behold, there's still plenty of subscribers left to claim the same in the next thread.

Well yes... if a lot of people were subscribers, and some of them cancelled their subscriptions, that means that some of them also still have subscriptions... It's not quite as strange as you seem to be trying to make it out to be.

aclive wrote:
Well, somehow, somewhere the brains at GW decided that their customers just like looking at pretty pictures. I wonder if WHV is aimed at the painter/modelers and WDW is aimed at the players.

This also makes me wonder when/if the supposed "new" website will happen. We've heard March, but if I was at GW and making money by selling you articles on painting, modeling, and battle reports...why would I then offer it for free?

Some people do want to look at pretty pictures, but the new format of WH Visions is an absolutely terrible way to present them. The pages are too small. The spine is too thick so you can't do double-page spreads. If people crack the spine to get a good look at the full width of each page, the book will probably start to come unglued.

Something like a Japanese "Mook" is the way to go.


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 AlexHolker wrote:
I could do this better:

A B4 book (halfway between A3 and A4) on a single theme - this month, make it either Tyranids or Dwarves. Make it ~80 pages.

Each double page spread would consist of a full page photograph or artwork on one page, with the other devoted to associated content - additional angles, WIPs for conversions, colour schemes, or a blurb about the artist.

In other words, make it a monthly coffee table book, each on a different part of the line. This can't last forever, but it doesn't have to.

Yes, that is what a Japanese "Mook" (magazine-book) is like. Cheaper than a hardback book and more durable and collectable than a regular magazine. High production values and lots of good content.

 insaniak wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Every time we have a thread on WD it's full of people saying they're going to cancel their subscription but lo behold, there's still plenty of subscribers left to claim the same in the next thread.

Well yes... if a lot of people were subscribers, and some of them cancelled their subscriptions, that means that some of them also still have subscriptions... It's not quite as strange as you seem to be trying to make it out to be.

I'm not saying it's strange or that people just claim they will cancel but don't.

I'm saying that the people who are cancelling now only have themselves to blame for sticking to a magazine that has been crap for a decade.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm saying that the people who are cancelling now only have themselves to blame for sticking to a magazine that has been crap for a decade.

Meh, People have different standards. Someone who liked the previous format is no less entitled to dislike the new picturebook than someone who stopped buying the magazine a decade ago.

I'm one of the current subscribers and have been for several years now. Even after the recent reboot, WD was a light enough read, good for passing half an hour or an hour. I never expected much from it and to be honest, WD never exceeded my expectations but my subscription costs me £3 per issue, £9 every 3 months on Direct Debit, so I don't pay anything in advance. If I really, really want, I can continue subbing to get Visions for £3 an issue but going on what has been disclosed, it isn't even worth that.

WD even in it's nadir, was still a decent enough way to while away some time for a relatively low cost (for what it's worth, I also get several other monthly wargaming mags and they all have their pros and cons) but this new format has removed the last remaining prop of my support.

Aye considering I pick up Xbox Magazine and Gamesmaster and at the end of the day they are telling me stuff I tend to already know with the odd picture, White Dwarf was doing okay by me. I have a crate full of them in the bathroom as reading material.

However Visions, blegh, I like to read, and it seems all the remaining good stuff went with the weekly mag that I can only get from a GW store which requires a Hour and twenty minute turn around by car to get. Not worth it at all and that would be before factoring in the value of the actual mag for its size.
I'm letting the first issue come to the shop, but if it is as bad as it sounds I can see me cancelling it, no point stocking it as the current mag barely sold as it was. For £8.50 it has zero chance at that scale, maybe if it had been Hello sized.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Aye considering I pick up Xbox Magazine and Gamesmaster and at the end of the day they are telling me stuff I tend to already know with the odd picture, White Dwarf was doing okay by me. I have a crate full of them in the bathroom as reading material.

However Visions, blegh, I like to read, and it seems all the remaining good stuff went with the weekly mag that I can only get from a GW store which requires a Hour and twenty minute turn around by car to get. Not worth it at all and that would be before factoring in the value of the actual mag for its size.
I'm letting the first issue come to the shop, but if it is as bad as it sounds I can see me cancelling it, no point stocking it as the current mag barely sold as it was. For £8.50 it has zero chance at that scale, maybe if it had been Hello sized.

When did you become a MOD? Fine choice I say

And also... you have a shop now? When did this happen?