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 EVIL INC wrote:
Try to keep it polite and leave name calling out of it.
A simple truth is not generalizing. if you do not like the term (read through the wiki definition. I know wiki isnt ALWAYS correct, but on this it is), dont use it. If it applies to you, assess your own actions, behaviors and attitudes (not saying it does apply to you).
The term is valid and it IS self definitive. Deadshot was joking but he was accurate. A WAAC player would do just as he said if they thought they could get away with it instead of getting carted off to jail and lose by default. ALL means ALL.

I wasn't name calling, I was calling your generalisations stupid... which they are. "Only "WAAC" players" is what you said, that's a sweeping generalisation not a simple truth.

Your wiki link was to a mathematical symbol using mathematical language... I'm not really seeing how it relates. I understand what it means mathematically and logically but I have really have no idea how it's supposed to relate to this so you're going to have to expand a bit on that. We know what "all" means, we don't need to define it as a universal quantifier.

If it's self definitive then using it's literal definition, there are no WAAC players because no one is that insane as to actually want to win at ALL costs. In reality it's just limited to whatever costs the writer is giving it, which you don't know unless they explain it. So in the context in which it is typically used, it is not self definitive.

If you want to get into a fantasy/40k debate, start a thread on it.

I don't, you just said you grew out of it and I found that odd. I don't see a correlation between WHFB vs 40k and age/maturity.

I know people who have grown out of wargaming entirely. I know people who have grown out of 40k and in to other games. Growing out of WHFB and in to 40k just seems odd to me as I can't think of any reason why WHFB -> 40k would be growing experience

Spamming does not make your point any more true or mine any less.

The name calling aside, WAAC is self definitive. the key word is ALL. All = All. There is no way around that. That is not a sweeping generalization, it is a simple mathematical truth.

if you wish to have a fantasy/40k debate, start a thread on it. Just be warned, those usually turn into flame fests where one side is putting down the other. Both are great games.

 EVIL INC wrote:
Spamming does not make your point any more true or mine any less.

Well perhaps you just need to explain it better... for example, why did you post a link to universal quantifier? I don't understand what that was supposed to add to the discussion.

The name calling aside,

It wasn't name calling... I was calling sweeping generalisations stupid. I do stupid things all the time... like replying to this thread I don't consider myself or yourself stupid though. When I say a footballer made a stupid pass it doesn't mean I think they themselves are stupid, it was just a poor choice.

WAAC is self definitive. the key word is ALL. All = All. There is no way around that. That is not a sweeping generalization, it is a simple mathematical truth.

Ok then lets get down to brass tacks... so you feel that WAAC should be taken as literal and thus there are no WAAC players because only the most deranged sociopath could be classified as WAAC?

Or do you think that there are actually WAAC players and WAAC is actually a useful term, in which case it is not self definitive because there is no qualifier to indicate "all costs" means anything less than "all costs".

if you wish to have a fantasy/40k debate, start a thread on it. Just be warned, those usually turn into flame fests where one side is putting down the other. Both are great games.

Umm... ok? You seem to be attracted to flamefests I simply wanted you to elaborate on why you "grew out of" WHFB, whether you felt it was because WHFB was for a less mature person (which is how I took it) or whether you meant something else I didn't understand.