Shield of Baal: Exterminatus

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**Fireraven**

DO IT TO IT wrote:
Redemption wrote:
BrokenRecord wrote:
Can anyone read the Angel's Fury Spearhead Force Formation? That picture is waaaaayyyyy too blurry for me. About all I managed to make out was that some part of it gets Objective Secured... I think...

I am specialised in reading blur. Here's what I could make of it:

Formation:
X Tactical Squads
X Stormraven Gunships

(can't make out the numbers, sorry)

Restrictions:
Each Tactical Squad must include 10 models. The Sergeant of each Tactical Squad in this Formation make take a teleport homer as a free upgrade. This Formation's Tactical Squads cannot take Dedicated Transports, and must begin the game embarked in the Stormraven Gunships from this Formation.

Special Rules:
Augur Triangulation: If a friendly unit with the Blood Angels Faction arrives from Deep Strike Reserves within 12" of at least one model from this Formation equipped with a teleport homer, then it does not scatter and can charge in the same turn it arrives.

Objective Secured: All Troops units from this Formation have the Objective Secured special rule.

Spearhead Strike Force: When making Reserve Rolls, make a single roll for the entire Formation, which you may choose to re-roll. If successful, all units arrive from this Formation. You can make a Reserve Roll for this formation from the start of Turn 1.

Is that incredible or is it just me? Will that enable assault squads to assault out of deep strike, or just terminators?

Plus Corbulo and another priest with 6x special weapons for the tac squads I'm at 1275, that a nice 275 in addition to all this at 1500 and at 1850 (575) wow the list can be really GREAT.

Corbulo is in basically for the re roll he gives to make this come in first turn after that you can use it for what ever if you do not need it.

**Paradigm**

You don't need Corbulo for the reroll. The formation already states you may choose to reroll the reserve roll. As you can never reroll a reroll, Corbulo is a bit redundant there.

While I will likely never use that formation, the idea and imagery of a bunch of fliers swooping in while jump troops drop between them and straight into combat is awesome!

**Fango**

dangit! I don't need another army...but I already have the Deathstorm box...those Death Company could be combined with a tac squad and with a little converting, could make decent BA assault marines with JPs....plus all of my unassembled marines don't HAVE to get painted green...hmmm

**Fireraven**

I started a Topic just on the Angels Fury formation. Corbulo can use the re roll for a lot seize or others. Also keeping the Tacs alive longer on top of objectives. Also this Thread was about the 2nd book not about the upcoming WD no point in Hi-jacking this one for a WD specific item.

**casvalremdeikun**

So...I guess I am going to need some Stormravens and Tactical Squads. Did GeeDubs just trick me into spending ($43+$78)×However many you are required to take?

**pretre**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
So...I guess I am going to need some Stormravens and Tactical Squads. Did GeeDubs just trick me into spending ($43+$78)×However many you are required to take?

Potentially, although Tac marines are so common that you could get them for cheaper than that if you don't want exactly the new BA tacs.

**Mavnas**

Hulksmash wrote:
Well pods wouldn't work because you would still follow the vehicle rules. That said the rest is pretty awesome if it's true.

Aren't pods open topped?

**Fireraven**

Mavnas wrote:
Hulksmash wrote:
Well pods wouldn't work because you would still follow the vehicle rules. That said the rest is pretty awesome if it's true.

Aren't pods open topped?

Yes but the dreads themselves do not have the deep strike rule. I get where he is going.

Pods could come in but dread's would not gain the assault thing.

Lets move the WD and formation specific things to this Thread because this one was about the 2nd book and there maybe more things leaked about it.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/627100.page

**Kangodo**

Paradigm wrote:
You don't need Corbulo for the reroll. The formation already states you may choose to reroll the reserve roll. As you can never reroll a reroll, Corbulo is a bit redundant there.

Ooh, hilarious

I thought this Formation was awesome and even better if they could re-roll their Reserve, but apparently it's already included.
Perfect! If only I liked Stormraven Gunships..

**endlesswaltz123**

If I had the time and the patience, I would certainly be that guy and go to great lengths to make a post with all the quotes crying how blood angels deserve something special from their storm ravens after all the grubby normal chapters stole all their toys without giving anything in return.

Hilarious in the blood angel tactics thread all the people moaning at how it is a sub par/awful codex....

Looks like it will be 'THE' top tier army now.

**BrokenRecord**

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
If I had the time and the patience, I would certainly be that guy and go to great lengths to make a post with all the quotes crying how blood angels deserve something special from their storm ravens after all the grubby normal chapters stole all their toys without giving anything in return.

Hilarious in the blood angel tactics thread all the people moaning at how it is a sub par/awful codex....

Looks like it will be 'THE' top tier army now.

Well, I guess, technically, our Codex does suck something fierce, it's just that we received some of the most ridiculously awesome supplemental content of all time, which more than makes up for it.

Now excuse me while I go build Stormravens and cackle maniacally!

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

but 'they' don't want a top tier army,

they just wanted to be able to use exactly the same list and tactics that they were using before.....

(but I do feel at least some of them will be quietly cancelling their ebay auctions and backing out of the deals they made to sell their armies to a mate...)

**BeeCee**

Does the teleport homer work while the tactical marines are embarked in the storm raven? if not you have to drop off the tacticals and pray they can endure a turn of shooting before you can no scatter drop a cc bomb on them.

**DO IT TO IT**

BeeCee wrote:
Does the teleport homer work while the tactical marines are embarked in the storm raven? if not you have to drop off the tacticals and pray they can endure a turn of shooting before you can no scatter drop a cc bomb on them.

If you can use it without them ever getting out that would be super nifty. Almost too nifty, haha. I have my doubts.

**Eldarain**

Can't the Raven take a Teleport Homer?

**DO IT TO IT**

Eldarain wrote:
Can't the Raven take a Teleport Homer?

Locator Beacon, not a Teleport Homer.

**Fireraven**

BeeCee wrote:
Does the teleport homer work while the tactical marines are embarked in the storm raven? if not you have to drop off the tacticals and pray they can endure a turn of shooting before you can no scatter drop a cc bomb on them.

Correct, you move the storm ravens to hover mode and forward. Deploy the tac's , then deep strike and assault with the force that comes in after. Every tac squad has the homer riding in 3 storm ravens that will come in shooting there army to shreds. So the storms protect the tacs inside, the tacts jump out shoot, possible assault along with the new units that arrive deep striking. O ya you still got storm ravens on the board and tacs so no auto lose. While I was pointing at Curbulo's ability to re-roll that deep striking alpha assaulting unit coming inbound.

**endlesswaltz123**

DO IT TO IT wrote:
BeeCee wrote:
Does the teleport homer work while the tactical marines are embarked in the storm raven? if not you have to drop off the tacticals and pray they can endure a turn of shooting before you can no scatter drop a cc bomb on them.

If you can use it without them ever getting out that would be super nifty. Almost too nifty, haha. I have my doubts.

Within 12" of the tactical marines can the DS units drop down and assault from. Tactical marines behind/in cover is one option. Also, if you are feeling particularly brave, you could drop the tac marines within assault range infront of the enemy, if they can get into a unit that they won't kill in one turn of shooting & assault then they are protected from a round of shooting at least.

**Fireraven**

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
DO IT TO IT wrote:
BeeCee wrote:
Does the teleport homer work while the tactical marines are embarked in the storm raven? if not you have to drop off the tacticals and pray they can endure a turn of shooting before you can no scatter drop a cc bomb on them.

If you can use it without them ever getting out that would be super nifty. Almost too nifty, haha. I have my doubts.

Within 12" of the tactical marines can the DS units drop down and assault from. Tactical marines behind/in cover is one option. Also, if you are feeling particularly brave, you could put the storm raven in hover mode to assault the tac marines quite out of it, if they can get into a unit that they won't kill in one turn of assault then they are protected from a round of shooting at least.

The Tac's and the storm's are still restricted to the cannot assault the 1st turn they come in, It is the units that deep strike to them that is very carefully done by GW.

The Tacs are on the field inside the storm ravens no point in deploying them getting shot up until your turn. Then you deploy them to do the shooting assault weapons would be best here because you can still assault with them after they shoot. This formation will be all about taking out all the interception and AA with the storm raven's, then using the deep strikers to kill all the heavy armor.

**Drakmord**

It looks like the Necron formation requires that the revived units be placed within 6" of the Monolith. Can't make out anything after that.

Do formations generally have additional costs to them? If not, I'll rock this formation forever.

**casvalremdeikun**

Drakmord wrote:
It looks like the Necron formation requires that the revived units be placed within 6" of the Monolith. Can't make out anything after that.

Do formations generally have additional costs to them? If not, I'll rock this formation forever.

Generally, no. The Formation tends to dictate loadout in many cases, but you don't pay more.

**H.B.M.C.**

Kanluwen wrote:
You realize last week they had the rules for Battle of the Five Armies in White Dwarf, right?

Yeah, 'cause they weren't going to go to the expense of releasing a hardback no one will buy.

**akwing00**

Fireraven wrote:
BeeCee wrote:
Does the teleport homer work while the tactical marines are embarked in the storm raven? if not you have to drop off the tacticals and pray they can endure a turn of shooting before you can no scatter drop a cc bomb on them.

Correct, you move the storm ravens to hover mode and forward. Deploy the tac's , then deep strike and assault with the force that comes in after. Every tac squad has the homer riding in 3 storm ravens that will come in shooting there army to shreds. So the storms protect the tacs inside, the tacts jump out shoot, possible assault along with the new units that arrive deep striking. O ya you still got storm ravens on the board and tacs so no auto lose. While I was pointing at Curbulo's ability to re-roll that deep striking alpha assaulting unit coming inbound.

I don't have the rule book in front of me so i could be wrong, but since in this formation you can roll for reserves 1, are the storm ravens allowed to enter hover mode to drop the tactical squads during that first turn? Cause isn't the first thing you have to do at the start of your next movement phase is roll for reserves?

**pretre**

They can use the homers in thestormravens can't they?

**BlaxicanX**

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Looks like it will be 'THE' top tier army now.

It does?

**Fireraven**

pretre wrote:
They can use the homers in thestormravens can't they?

Barring an faq I do not see why not. I was thinking drop 1-2 in hover dropping off the tacs on objectives. Zooming the other into enemy area drop the madness. You can dreep strike them in and disembark yes. But it leaves them open to shooting, they can then shoot but not assault. Turn 2 they can disembark, deep strike in help, shoot , and assault with the back up.

This is ofc after the 3 storm ravens have shot up the feild the first turn. Thinking a mix of assault cannons, hurricane bolters, and a few las cannon shots , do not forget you have POTMS so you can select several targets with the storms variable set up 2 to cut down troops , 1 to hit hard targets.

**House Griffith**

Can someone explain why Furioso Dreads, coming out of drop pods, would or would not be able to assault due to interacting with the Angel's Fury Spearhead?
Thanks.

**Fireraven**

House Griffith wrote:
Can someone explain why Furioso Dreads, coming out of drop pods, would or would not be able to assault due to interacting with the Angel's Fury Spearhead?
Thanks.

Because your pod is deep striking not the dread. It could shoot yes assault I would air on the side of caution. If it could then hell ya with dc dreads all day long.

**House Griffith**

Fireraven wrote:
House Griffith wrote:
Can someone explain why Furioso Dreads, coming out of drop pods, would or would not be able to assault due to interacting with the Angel's Fury Spearhead?
Thanks.

Because your pod is deep striking not the dread. It could shoot yes assault I would air on the side of caution. If it could then hell ya with dc dreads all day long.

Could you say that the rule from the formation, since it says friendly units arriving from deep strike reserves, means that technically the furioso is doing so? "Arriving from deep strike reserves".
It doesn't say that the model has to have the deep strike rule.

**casvalremdeikun**

So despite them being Teleport Homers, it works on stuff other than Terminators? I guess I am happy with that.