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Even if you did measure from the sphere as a turret, it doesn't look like you gain much other than being able to shoot more than one at the same target in the weird range bands made by the blind spots.

And it still seems to me that the barrel can only move up and down(if it did move). The bracket is the wrong same to rotate in, and the rail is secured in place by the mounting. I don't believe the barrel would be stationary- it looks obvious it's on a rail.

To me it looks like the gun itself can move on the vertical railing, but can't rotate horizontally because of the oval shape of the exterior.

 pizzaguardian wrote:
To me it looks like the gun itself can move on the vertical railing, but can't rotate horizontally because of the oval shape of the exterior.

looks is one thing, physically able to is another. The tesla sphere can not physically move.

 CrownAxe wrote:

bodazoka wrote:
Would you be able to take the Monolith's weapons as a precedent for this model? the monoliths spheres look very similar and move in both directions?

Different model (from a decade ago) and a different gun so no the monolith can't be used as a precedent .

This whole thread has been trying to decide if the obelisk's tesla spheres can move horizontally and the general consensus is no it can not.

I think that the guns are intended to function in a similar way to the monolith and the reason it doesn't currently have a ball rotating around like the monolith is because GW thought this design looked cooler...

But I don't have any evidence to back this up, it just seems the most logical conclusion to me..

As another poster pointed out, the thing basically can not shoot it's weapon's at all when on the flight stand! it's blind spot is massive if you don't allow it to rotate around it's sphere.

bodazoka wrote:
As another poster pointed out, the thing basically can not shoot it's weapon's at all when on the flight stand! it's blind spot is massive if you don't allow it to rotate around it's sphere.

that's the case with a lot of flyers.

bodazoka wrote:
As another poster pointed out, the thing basically can not shoot it's weapon's at all when on the flight stand! it's blind spot is massive if you don't allow it to rotate around it's sphere.

I guess if it's not shooting at Flyers or Titans it has some huge blind spots then.

Just realized the enormous blind spot of the stormravens top turret...hahaha

I always assumed it kind of arcs off instead of needing to directly face it.


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 BrotherGecko wrote:
Just realized the enormous blind spot of the stormravens top turret...hahaha

Not to mention the storm bolters would fire into the hull when faced forward.

 Vash108 wrote:
I always assumed it kind of arcs off instead of needing to directly face it.

You know, it never even occurred to me until I read your comment, but then I realized,
"Wait. Yeah, it's tesla weaponry. Why the hell does it matter where anything points or what it can 'see', as if tesla lightning would care about that. It's just going hit whatever it's supposed to."

[warning: enormous pic showing how electricity curves after the spoiler]

Think you're safe hiding underneath an Obelisk?
Think again.

Are there rules for that? I thought something could only be hull or turret mounted.

What are the actual rules for the weapon?

Range, strength, etc?

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Are there rules for that? I thought something could only be hull or turret mounted.

Lol there are zero rules for imagination.

Tesla Spheres are bolter range S7 no AP Heavy 5 and has the tesla rule. So not really all the impressive.

We know from the rules that it's assumed to move in it's mounting at least up and down.

Basically yeah, if you have no imagination and wanna be like yeah Measure the firing arc from the tip of the gun from the phasing that you put on it which isn't RAW.

Then it has a 20" blindspot.

No one can help that GW design their models and rules this way.

The rule specifically allows for them to move up and down. It states that they can move in their mountings and from the thread we know that it can be mounted where ever on that.

Correct it can go up and down that rail because it can be assembled that way. Still has a bind spot probably. Of course there is the option of cutting down the flying stand to reduce the problem.

This really needs an faq, according to the various interpretations people have it is either amazing or almost useless. Plus the same problem applies to the Vault, but even worse because how do you shoot from the C'Tan in the middle for the powers? The C'Tan isn't designed to rotate as a turret either, and for rules purposes is just a part of the vehicle. But it has even less of something that can be considered a barrel than the Tesla Spheres.

Tekron wrote:
This really needs an faq, according to the various interpretations people have it is either amazing or almost useless. Plus the same problem applies to the Vault, but even worse because how do you shoot from the C'Tan in the middle for the powers? The C'Tan isn't designed to rotate as a turret either, and for rules purposes is just a part of the vehicle. But it has even less of something that can be considered a barrel than the Tesla Spheres.

The C'tan can easily be built to rotate, actually. My local GW has one on display and I've poked and prodded it quite a bit looking to see where the joins are for magnetising the thing.

Hollismason wrote:
The rule specifically allows for them to move up and down. It states that they can move in their mountings and from the thread we know that it can be mounted where ever on that.

I think you'll find few people who will argue it can't move up/down. It's left/right where the disagreement is, and it seems fairly obvious it can't move left or right.

Yah the C'tan in the T. Vault actually is a turret. The cage it sits in is a peg and hole system. It freely rotates.

So I decided to take a little trip up to Phoenix today. I have stopped by every Games Workshop store and posed the discussion on this forum. Three stores in Tucson, both in Sierra Vista and the two I visited in Phoenix all had the same answer.

So I asked two questions. What is the firing arch or the Obelisks Tesla weapons? and How do you determine if the Tesla Sphere can hit a model it is shooting at?

Every store had the same answer.

The weapon is a sphere and can rotate in all directions. Just because the models cannot does not mean it is not supposed to. If you can draw line of sight from the sphere to the target you can shot it.

A couple of store even added that the Tesla sphere is supposed to rotate like the monolith.


I know this will not end this debate, but when 7 out of 7 stores agree on how it works, I am sure this is how it is supposed to work. For a 300 point model to not be able to hit half the firing arc and nothing that gets to close is ridiculous. Like one of the stores pointed out, the las cannons and hurricane bolters on the Land Raider do not rotate backwards, but they are still in their firing arch. The store pulled out one of their land raiders and showed me that they do not rotate. so if we went with what the model does, a lot of model loss half if not more of their firing archs.

 Wolfedi wrote:
So I decided to take a little trip up to Phoenix today. I have stopped by every Games Workshop store and posed the discussion on this forum. Three stores in Tucson, both in Sierra Vista and the two I visited in Phoenix all had the same answer.

So I asked two questions. What is the firing arch or the Obelisks Tesla weapons? and How do you determine if the Tesla Sphere can hit a model it is shooting at?

Every store had the same answer.

The weapon is a sphere and can rotate in all directions. Just because the models cannot does not mean it is not supposed to. If you can draw line of sight from the sphere to the target you can shot it.

A couple of store even added that the Tesla sphere is supposed to rotate like the monolith.


I know this will not end this debate, but when 7 out of 7 stores agree on how it works, I am sure this is how it is supposed to work. For a 300 point model to not be able to hit half the firing arc and nothing that gets to close is ridiculous. Like one of the stores pointed out, the las cannons and hurricane bolters on the Land Raider do not rotate backwards, but they are still in their firing arch. The store pulled out one of their land raiders and showed me that they do not rotate. so if we went with what the model does, a lot of model loss half if not more of their firing archs.

 Lorek wrote:
Tenets of You Make Da Call (YMDC):

1. Don't make a statement without backing it up.
- You have to give premises for a conclusive statement; without this, there can be no debate. For more detail on how to actually create a logically supported conclusion, please read this article on how to have an intelligent rules debate.

1a. Don't say that someone is wrong, instead you explain why you think their opinion is wrong. Criticize the opinion, not the person.

2. The only official sources of information are the current rulebooks and the Games Workshop FAQs. Emails from Games Workshop are easily spoofed and are notorious for being inconsistent and so should not be relied on.

Please understand rules 1 and 2 for this forum, especially Rule N*2

 Wolfedi wrote:
*snip*

That's great and all but GW employees are notoriously awful at understanding how the rules work. They aren't there to be experts at the game they are there to run a business and make money. They don't have time to study up on how all the rules works because they have a job to do (more then full time because GW store are one man operations now). When presented them with a question they have no prior knowledge or research on they are going to answer you with their first impression which since its called a Tesla Sphere it will shoot like a sphere. You can ask people who don''t even play warhammer and they'd probably answer the same way. Also I can guarantee that at least one of those seven stores answered as they did to make the Obelisk seem more favorable so you would be more likely to purchase one from them.

As for the Land Raider point exactly the gun doesn't rotate backwards so those sponson weapons don't get to shoot backwards. That's how its suppose to be. Nothing about vehicles require that all of their guns rotate 360 degrees.

 Wolfedi wrote:
The store pulled out one of their land raiders and showed me that they do not rotate. so if we went with what the model does, a lot of model loss half if not more of their firing archs.

So if we follow the rules...

Land Raiders haven't been able to fire behind them like ever.

But CrownAxe, in the rules sponson weapons can shoot behind. Page 74, picture of line of sight clearly shows the weapons shooting behind the vehicle.

 Wolfedi wrote:


But CrownAxe, in the rules sponson weapons can shoot behind. Page 74, picture of line of sight clearly shows the weapons shooting behind the vehicle.

You're trying to use the example of a specific vehicle (Predator) as a general rule. That's not the case. You would check on a model by model basis.

 Wolfedi wrote:


But CrownAxe, in the rules sponson weapons can shoot behind. Page 74, picture of line of sight clearly shows the weapons shooting behind the vehicle.

For a Predator yeah because that is what is in the example and their sponsons can spin all the way back on their model. Land Raiders aren't a predator though and their sponsons do not spin all the way back.

Sponsons don't have a general rule that they can shoot 180.

This issue seems flat out unresolvable without an FAQ.

Since I cannot prove its a hull mounted weapon and there is no FAQ and nothing breaks in the game either way, I have to accept the more generous view that its a turret.

col_impact wrote:
This issue seems flat out unresolvable without an FAQ.

Since I cannot prove its a hull mounted weapon and there is no FAQ and nothing breaks in the game either way, I have to accept the more generous view that its a turret.

That's not how that works.
"Since I cannot prove that it's a turret mounted weapon and there is no FAQ, I have to accept the more restrictive view that it's hull mounted."

 Sinful Hero wrote:

col_impact wrote:
This issue seems flat out unresolvable without an FAQ.

Since I cannot prove its a hull mounted weapon and there is no FAQ and nothing breaks in the game either way, I have to accept the more generous view that its a turret.

That's not how that works.
"Since I cannot prove that it's a turret mounted weapon and there is no FAQ, I have to accept the more restrictive view that it's hull mounted."

Nope. In order to actively apply a restriction you have to prove that you have a basis for doing so.