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 Sigvatr wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
On the lower end of things, we have heroes like Stitches and Sonya that are downright trash and are in dire need of a rework, yet remain untouched.

I started playing HotS recently, and Sonya's the first hero I bought. Her biggest weakness that I've seen so far is her complete lack of harassment capability. She can just wade through minion waves, towers or jungle monsters, but she has no way of contesting a lane when the enemy team masses for a push.

Aye. Low hitpoint pool, no crowd control, main source of sustain hard countered by most heroes in the game (everyone with a root/stun) and mediocre damage. She is good at taking camps and that's about it. Second-worst hero in the game.

Post-patch DPS Sonya is actually pretty good as a 5th pick in Hero League if your team lacks DPS and already has a solid tank with good engage/CC (e.g. ETC) and a solid multiple-hero healer (e.g. Rehgar)

 Enigwolf wrote:


Post-patch DPS Sonya is actually pretty good as a 5th pick in Hero League if your team lacks DPS and already has a solid tank with good engage/CC (e.g. ETC) and a solid multiple-hero healer (e.g. Rehgar)

How would she deal damage? I don't see how her previous problems were fixed. She still has to be into melee, she has no innate defensive abilities, no escape mechanism bar her ult and her main source of sustain is countered by most heroes in the game. She has a lot of competition that just seems more worthwhile. Realistically, in the current meta, the ideal team has Illidan and Uther or Brightwing, maybe Rehgar in some rare cases. You will then most often pick up NubNub as your main tank and Jaina for the additional damage. Sylvana or Valla to round it off. Alternatively, get TLV in.

Meet Johanna the Crusader.

Actual armor? Nice.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Actual armor? Nice.

PLAY. HER!

Johanna is absolutely amazing. All the idiots whine about "boohoo, a female crusader" and I love seeing them rage. Blizzard does an outstanding job in gender diversity with HotS (well, mostly, Sgt. Hammer for example is a bad idea) and Johanna is PERFECT. She is a full tank that deals little to no damage, but soaks up tons of it. She is always right in the fray and requires an active and courageous player...tons of fun to play. Most of all, she, as you already stated, wears actual armor. Not stupid boob-plate armor that would make me ragequit any game (looking at you, pedo-TERA!), but actual heavy armor. Outstanding voice actress.

10$ well spent.

 Sigvatr wrote:
All the idiots whine about "boohoo, a female crusader"

Seriously? Like, what the hell?

 Sigvatr wrote:
well, mostly, Sgt. Hammer for example is a bad idea

What is bad with Sergent Hammer? I like her. She is a Tank Girl!

Will play as her when I have enough time and I can grind enough gold .

I thought Blizzard did a fantastic job with making the Siege Tank, a traditionally very "bro-dude" role, a female one. It's like how BSG turned Starbuck, who used to be a dude, into a badass woman.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

What is bad with Sergent Hammer? I like her. She is a Tank Girl!

Edmund Duke would have been the better choice as he's a memorable character / hero.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Edmund Duke would have been the better choice as he's a memorable character / hero.

Yeah, but he is not wearing a tank top now, is he ?
Terrible puns aside, I only remembered his face. I had to google him up, and apparently he was just one of Mensk's goons, doing as he was told until getting killed by Kerrigan. Did I miss something?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Edmund Duke would have been the better choice as he's a memorable character / hero.

Yeah, but he is not wearing a tank top now, is he ?
Terrible puns aside, I only remembered his face. I had to google him up, and apparently he was just one of Mensk's goons, doing as he was told until getting killed by Kerrigan. Did I miss something?

He was a high ranking general who served the confederacy before defecting to the Dominion.
In game, he was either a powerful heroic siege tank or a powerful heroic battlecruiser.
He was pretty bad ass. Dat southern drawl.

I am hoping they'll add male wizard and eventually female monk from Diablo. Crusader's cool, although I'll have to check the alternative colours and master skin. Khael'thas has simply gorgeous phoenix detail added. I haven't play this game for a while, other matters keep on meddling.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Edmund Duke would have been the better choice as he's a memorable character / hero.

Yeah, but he is not wearing a tank top now, is he ?
Terrible puns aside, I only remembered his face. I had to google him up, and apparently he was just one of Mensk's goons, doing as he was told until getting killed by Kerrigan. Did I miss something?

He was a key character in the first Starcraft and a memorable character for most players...as far as Starcraft goes. He would have been a perfect pick for the Siege Tank. Sgt. Hammer is just "girl in a tank" and has no character. Then again, it just seems that Blizzard purposefully decided against putting him in the tank in order to have him be an actual hero later on. Still, Sgt. Hammer feels lacking and has a bitter taste of "Female for being female".

Other than that, Blizzard does an outstanding job. Believable both female and male heroes...awesome. Laughing at the salty tears of boys crying over the crusader being female is the cherry on the top

 Sigvatr wrote:
He was a key character in the first Starcraft and a memorable character for most players...as far as Starcraft goes.

Well, I played the whole Starcraft and Brood War campaign, and I remembered even Duran better than Duke.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Still, Sgt. Hammer feels lacking and has a bitter taste of "Female for being female".

Well, it is not like video game characters need a reason for being female, do they? And I think the tank girl reference would be reason enough anyway . What reason is there for the Crusader being female?

Heroes of the Storm is about...well...heroes. Most characters are noticable characters from their universes. TLV, Diablo, Tyrael etc. Diablo characters are a tad bit different because there aren't special characters, there are just classes that can both be male and female.

Well, there are a few units too among the heroes. Like Brightwing or Murky or Stitches. None of those are noticeable heroes.

I'm wondering if Samir Duran will make a return as Infested Duran... Or if we'll see any of the Hybrids as a hero. Aside from a Hybrid or a Firebat, I can't see what else would be a Warrior for the SC universe, considering that hero Ultralisk Torrasque is Kerrigan's ult. Maybe a Zealot? But that'd be boring.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Murky or Stitches

You haven't played World of Warcraft, have you?

 Enigwolf wrote:
I'm wondering if Samir Duran will make a return as Infested Duran... Or if we'll see any of the Hybrids as a hero. Aside from a Hybrid or a Firebat, I can't see what else would be a Warrior for the SC universe, considering that hero Ultralisk Torrasque is Kerrigan's ult. Maybe a Zealot? But that'd be boring.

Fenix.

Is Johanna available now?

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Murky or Stitches

You haven't played World of Warcraft, have you?

 Enigwolf wrote:
I'm wondering if Samir Duran will make a return as Infested Duran... Or if we'll see any of the Hybrids as a hero. Aside from a Hybrid or a Firebat, I can't see what else would be a Warrior for the SC universe, considering that hero Ultralisk Torrasque is Kerrigan's ult. Maybe a Zealot? But that'd be boring.

Fenix.

Well, yes, there's Fenix in his Zealot suit. What I meant to say was that I can't see a Zealot being particularly fun, interesting, or differentiating to play. Although I would also love to see maybe a ranged Warrior for a change...?

 Slarg232 wrote:
Is Johanna available now?

Ready and able.

Get her now before she gets hit by the nerfbat. She WILL be nerfed.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Slarg232 wrote:
Is Johanna available now?

Ready and able.

Get her now before she gets hit by the nerfbat. She WILL be nerfed.

Sweet, Sader is my favorite D3 class so I saved up Free Monies for her.

 Sigvatr wrote:
You haven't played World of Warcraft, have you?

No, but I looked them both on a search engine before. None seem noticeable, or even a hero. One was a collectible battle pet with no background, and the other a random mini-boss. Did I miss something?

LoL, Blizzard really isn't breaking any kind of ground with Leona- I mean Joanna. She's the closest thing to a carbon copy of League of Legend's Leona that you could ask for.

She is still a very cool character, but this isn't one of their many awesome and unique attempts to push the genre like the trio of Vikings, Murky or Abathor.

 Gitzbitah wrote:
LoL, Blizzard really isn't breaking any kind of ground with Leona- I mean Joanna. She's the closest thing to a carbon copy of League of Legend's Leona that you could ask for.

She is still a very cool character, but this isn't one of their many awesome and unique attempts to push the genre like the trio of Vikings, Murky or Abathor.

They gotta have some cookie-cutter box-standard heroes too. Otherwise you might devolve to the level of DotA where literally every hero in itself is a game to master.

Gitzbitah wrote:LoL, Blizzard really isn't breaking any kind of ground with Leona- I mean Joanna. She's the closest thing to a carbon copy of League of Legend's Leona that you could ask for.

She is still a very cool character, but this isn't one of their many awesome and unique attempts to push the genre like the trio of Vikings, Murky or Abathor.

I don't think people who play League should be complaining about other Moba's characters being carbon copies....

Enigwolf wrote:

 Gitzbitah wrote:
LoL, Blizzard really isn't breaking any kind of ground with Leona- I mean Joanna. She's the closest thing to a carbon copy of League of Legend's Leona that you could ask for.

She is still a very cool character, but this isn't one of their many awesome and unique attempts to push the genre like the trio of Vikings, Murky or Abathor.

They gotta have some cookie-cutter box-standard heroes too. Otherwise you might evolve to the level of DotA where literally every hero in itself is a game to master.

Chess and Checkers, my friend. One may be easier to pick up and play, but we both know which one actually shows the skill level of the player.

 Slarg232 wrote:

Gitzbitah wrote:LoL, Blizzard really isn't breaking any kind of ground with Leona- I mean Joanna. She's the closest thing to a carbon copy of League of Legend's Leona that you could ask for.

She is still a very cool character, but this isn't one of their many awesome and unique attempts to push the genre like the trio of Vikings, Murky or Abathor.

I don't think people who play League should be complaining about other Moba's characters being carbon copies....

Truth. lol.

 Slarg232 wrote:

Enigwolf wrote:

 Gitzbitah wrote:
LoL, Blizzard really isn't breaking any kind of ground with Leona- I mean Joanna. She's the closest thing to a carbon copy of League of Legend's Leona that you could ask for.

She is still a very cool character, but this isn't one of their many awesome and unique attempts to push the genre like the trio of Vikings, Murky or Abathor.

They gotta have some cookie-cutter box-standard heroes too. Otherwise you might evolve to the level of DotA where literally every hero in itself is a game to master.

Chess and Checkers, my friend. One may be easier to pick up and play, but we both know which one actually shows the skill level of the player.

Yes, I would spend more time playing LoL and DotA 2, but unfortunately, I don't have enough time to dedicate to either one of it to make it worth trying to master. :( It's really something I appreciate about Heroes of the Storm - the more "arcade"-like simplicity of it and the simple pick-up-and-go nature.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Heroes of the Storm is about...well...heroes. Most characters are noticable characters from their universes. TLV, Diablo, Tyrael etc. Diablo characters are a tad bit different because there aren't special characters, there are just classes that can both be male and female.

By that logic a Male Barbarian would be far better suited. Because I think there are a lot more people who remember playing the Barbarian in Diablo 2 then those playing Female barbarian in 3.

 Soladrin wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Heroes of the Storm is about...well...heroes. Most characters are noticable characters from their universes. TLV, Diablo, Tyrael etc. Diablo characters are a tad bit different because there aren't special characters, there are just classes that can both be male and female.

By that logic a Male Barbarian would be far better suited. Because I think there are a lot more people who remember playing the Barbarian in Diablo 2 then those playing Female barbarian in 3.

Huh? All Diablo character classes can be played as both genders, thus HotS is free to use whatever they want. That's the point. The Diablo universe in HotS uses Diablo 3 as a base, not the (better, cough) second part of the series. If that wasn't the case, yes, using a named male Barbarian would be the better choice...not because of his popularity, but because we already have Bul-Kathos, Korlic, Madawc etc.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Actual armor? Nice.

PLAY. HER!

Johanna is absolutely amazing. All the idiots whine about "boohoo, a female crusader" and I love seeing them rage. Blizzard does an outstanding job in gender diversity with HotS (well, mostly, Sgt. Hammer for example is a bad idea) and Johanna is PERFECT. She is a full tank that deals little to no damage, but soaks up tons of it. She is always right in the fray and requires an active and courageous player...tons of fun to play. Most of all, she, as you already stated, wears actual armor. Not stupid boob-plate armor that would make me ragequit any game (looking at you, pedo-TERA!), but actual heavy armor. Outstanding voice actress.

10$ well spent.

Bloody hate her! Damn her in all her being. She is so... so tanky argh! Darn her. I fall for tanks, get into a love of Diablo and E.T.C. and she just steps in and says I'm the new kid in the block. To be honest, the only thing I hate about her looks is her hair. Mainly because I've always considered it to be a more punk hairstyle good for modern, sci fi, and especially cyberpunk. Probably just grind her to 10 to get the glorious helmet. Still, actually liked not seeing boob armor.

Can I just say I hate how they wasted one of her Ult slots as the damn Captain America Shield Throw? They couldn't have used Orbital Bombardlemants or Heaven's Fury?

I can understand not using Akarat's Champion (Too similar to Barbie's rage mode), but I don't understand using a secondary skill as her ult. Mind you I have the same complaint about Barbie's leap.