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CONQUEST has me utterly gripped. It's my new main game and it isn't even released until Q2 next year.... not the Conquest that might have first thought

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Found Epic a few years ago. That has me covered for massive sci-fi battles in the 40K universe. So no more 28mm grimdark for me...

 Davidian wrote:
CONQUEST has me utterly gripped. It's my new main game and it isn't even released until Q2 next year.... not the Conquest that might have first thought

GW can live long and prosper...

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Have heard about this and Alessio is a good sign, how is it different from KoW though?

I left when I was much younger, around 15. There were a few things that impacted on my decision; peer pressure, other interests taking priority, girls etc but there was a very specific moment when I decided I had had enough.

I had just purchased a grav tank (used to collect Eldar back then, Ulthwe) which was my first heavy vehicle. I also purchased a bottle of GW's own black spray paint. I'm not sure if many will remember this because it predates the internet but GW sold a gloss spray paint back then. As there was no internet there were limited instructions in terms of 'how to use different paints'. I took the tank out of the box and part assembled it, taking great care to do everything correctly. I placed it in a box to spray outside and gently, lovingly laid said box on the floor in my garden. Then I proceeded to hold the model approximately 5 cm away and spray so much paint on this model the details completely disappeared. Gems were lost under a thick, heavy coating of gloss paint. I also expected the paint to be matt, rather than gloss. So I took a knife to the model to try and get the paint off which only scratched it and ruined it further. As I looked at this mess I had made of the largest and most expensive model I'd ever purchased I just rage quit. Right there and then. Literally threw the model across our garden, went upstairs, packed all my gak into boxes and asked my parents to put it in the loft.

So then I kinda had nothing to do with 40k or Fantasy for the next 7-10 years. I'd check on new model releases probably once a year and reminisce about the good old days while fantasising about painting a model half as well as those on the store.

Then the model checks became more frequent. I found myself downloading older codexes and reading them. Suddenly i was invested again. At some point I decided that I wanted to paint a model to a good standard, something I'd never done as a child. I decided to buy a box of Ork boyz because of all the fluff and codexes I had read theirs was my favourite. I watched many tutorials online and eventually repurchased paints from GW. The first Boy I painted took probably 10 hours and was better than all my other, older models (that I still have) combined. Then I did another Boy. Then the rest. Then the Nob. Then I decided I liked the idea of a biker gang of Orks. So got a few boxes of bikes. Got them painted along with a few more Boys and other, supplementary models. Eventually I got 500 pts painted, went to a store and had a game. Then I was hooked. I started pushing 40k on friends like a drug peddler. One had a history with the game so joined also. We found a club to play where we can get drinks and food and now we play once a month, sometimes twice. Sometimes I'll go alone and play the other guys if my bud isn't free.

And that Grav tank that I wrecked? The one that originally made me leave the hobby? I found him again. He's stripped down and is becoming a looted Trukk or trakk for my Boyz as I write this. The circle of hobbying continues.

I played for about a year, '95-'96 and then sold of all my Dark Angels to a mate for £15.

I stayed out until 2010, when a uni housemate roped me back in by lending me Dawn of War. Between 2010 and 2014 I built up sizable Tyranid, Guard, Dark Angels and Blood Angels forces, which all got sold on ebay after I got divorced.

I was out again for less than a year before starting work on an Emperor's Children force based on the old Summoning mechanic. Then I lost my job and they got sold.

When I got a new job I started Slaanesh Daemons, which has turned into a Slaanesh soup I'm still working on here.

 DarkBlack wrote:

 Davidian wrote:
CONQUEST has me utterly gripped. It's my new main game and it isn't even released until Q2 next year.... not the Conquest that might have first thought

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Have heard about this and Alessio is a good sign, how is it different from KoW though?

Different from KoW?

Mate, if this was lego technics, kow is duplo XD

Have a scroll through this thread mate... you'll see what I mean. There's a buzz surrounding this game and it's well earned...

There are lore and gameplay videos linked in it

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/420/740261.page

 Davidian wrote:

Different from KoW?

Mate, if this was lego technics, kow is duplo XD

Have a scroll through this thread mate... you'll see what I mean. There's a buzz surrounding this game and it's well earned...

There are lore and gameplay videos linked in it

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/420/740261.page

In what sense? You could give a short description instead of taking stab at something that I enjoy.

The simplicity of KoW is actually a draw, mastering the game and outhinking your opponent is the hard part, not learning how to play and remembering rules.

Edit: is except Conquest apparently also favours being simple and easy to learn, so not sure what your Lego metaphor is supposed to mean?

I play KoW too. I have 2 armies and enjoy it also, no offense mate.

In short, it's a modem fast paced rule set that amplifies rank and flank strategy you get in KoW.

It's alternate unit activation (although theres an ability to do some coordinated unit activations). The order you avtivate units is decided by building a command stack (using one card per unit) each turn. Theres no deployment, you just start moving on but it escalates starting with light troops then medium then heavy (some overlap with dice rolls but also hard caps so you can't get totally screwed by dice). As you advance ul the board, your deployment zone follows you up the table edges as flanking deployment zones aswell l...

It is very simple and as a KOW player I really appreciate the simplicity of its component parts but when you add it all up it has brilliant tactical depth and it's really.dynamic. Play never slows down (Not sitting down for 20 mins whilst your opponent takes his turn).

It's hard to wrap it up in one blurb. I recommend watching the lets play videos on Beasts of War (they exclude unit upgrades, terrain and magic to keep it simple) and see what you think. It might not be for you but after having demod it, it so is me!

Edit# To elaborate on the Lego analogy, putting 2 prices of Lego duplo together and putting 2 prices of Lego technics together are just as easy as the other. Only one has more potential in what you can build. (I love a bad analogy XD).

I see. Looks better than Runewars at least.
KoW seems to have more space to do your own thing though, plus I like my fantasy a little Old School.

Seems to lean some concepts from skirmish games, which is interesting and cool, but I already play Vanguard and Malifaux. I have more hobby than time already too.

Looks like fun so enjoy it!

Never heard of this.
I shall download the rules.
Allesio Cavatore is certainly something to get excited over

I played the battle for macragge set with a buddy of mine. We never got into building the armies up but from what was in that set we played dozens of games. Fast forward 7 years and now im back into it full force

Kinda. I play once a year and always have a bad experience. Not to mention it's hard for me not to swear, so I always struggle in public hobby stores with kids around. It takes a lot of effort for me to curtail the vocabulary I picked up in the Military and on contracted deployments, sooo... I also find that I'm stumbling into the wrong communities. People just have a bad attitude, and don't let you play with the models you want (like three flyers) because it's unfair and they don't have the right models to counter your strategies. So you take all these models off the board to appease other people in the interest of fairness and fun, and then they stomp your army because you're handicapped and have to play with something less exciting. I've since found other strategies, but every single one I go with seems to ruffle feathers, and the passive aggressive nature of most players I've encountered make the whole experience sour. If I could be drunk while playing, I'd probably have a lot more fun, but then I run into the first issue I described: The F Bomb. I've never had a problem with the rules of the game though, except for when a bolt pistol can take down my Valkyrie Vendettas.

Regardless, I enjoy painting the models more than anything. I bought the DKOK platoon and a ton of the Sisters of Battle look-a-likes from Raging Heroes and they're dope. I can't wait to paint everything. My fiancee even wants to get in on the painting action. Buying some stuff from Secret Weapon Miniatures to make mud and blasted wetlands bases for all of them, too. My next purchases will probably be from Victorian Miniatures- I plan to have a platoon of every Imperial Guard regiment available. I've already got a full platoon of Cadians, a full platoon of Steel Legion, a full platoon of Kasrkins, a full platoon of the new Tempestus Storm Trooper guys, and now DKOK. Since I ever only field about a platoon worth of infantry anyway, it works, and my Cadians can always be my bullet-sponge conscript platoon if I want one. If I do play again, it will NOT be at a Games Workshop. Not only do I refuse to speak the words "Astra Militarum" out-loud, but I also don't like the restrictions on what models I can buy and play with on a table. Way better to support a local hobby store anyway, I suppose.

Also, why people gotta pick on me for playing deep-strike Kasrkin squads!?!? Lmao, they look badass! And half the time, they DO blow up your big tanks in the rear of your formation.

TL;DR

Painting, yes

Playing, maybe

I left 40k in 7th, after many many frustrating games that didn't feel right anymore. Now with the ever growing library of books you need to play certain factions I really have no intention to ever come back. My three 3000 point armies are now degraded to a huge bitzbox for my Wastelanders I use in my own system.
I still buy GW-Models from time to time for conversions but I'm just annoyed by GWs dated game mechanics that keep surviving the 90s and the still obviously huge lack of playtests.
I'm really tired of explaining why GW won't ever win a prize for great game design and conjure a shitstorm that way.

I'm more into skirmishers today anyways, but if I look into Kill Team I want to vomit more than I can eat. Too many randomizers for things that shouldn't be random. Randomizers often seem to me as GWs lazy copout for balancing issues. I really grew out of that. Model's are top notch, rules are pathetic. Sry, if someone feels offended, keep on playing that crappy game... as long as you have fun, it's okay... but leave me alone with that bad excuse of a game.

Maybe I come back, if Tom Kirby dies and the game is changed from the ground up. 8th did it already but not enough for my taste. I could come back if GW releases Unit rules for free download that are patched regularly, but to publish changes in a book I have to buy to lookup the changes is shameless imao. Just imagine if a video game would let you pay for a patch! I can almost hear the shitstorm and the call for boykott. I'm a video game designer and would get lynched if I let my customers pay for my fails. Why are you supporting that behaviour? I really can't understand that.

I painted 3 guys, decided they looked terrible, and stopped. Going to paint other things before making $80 look like horsecrap.

My storage shed now doubles as a tomb world.

I've started in 2006 stopped mid '09 started at the end of the 7th and now we're here

It's good to get away from things that do not bring you enjoyment. It's also the right call to hold onto your stuff, IMO.

I've seen a lot of people take a break and come back once things have shifted enough. Sometimes their break is short, sometimes its several years, but they always seem to come back eventually; myself included.

I 'quit' shortly after 3rd ed. came out, a lot of people did as it was such a huge change; similar in regards to the change from 7th to 8th edition. But, I came back right at the 4th to 5th ed. change. So for me, that was a full decade hiatus.

It would take quite a bit to get me to quit now, however. Short of GW going fully mental (e.g. pandering to PC culture), I"ll be plugging along until old age catches up to me.

 Stumme wrote:
Kinda. I play once a year and always have a bad experience. Not to mention it's hard for me not to swear, so I always struggle in public hobby stores with kids around. It takes a lot of effort for me to curtail the vocabulary I picked up in the Military and on contracted deployments, sooo... I also find that I'm stumbling into the wrong communities. People just have a bad attitude, and don't let you play with the models you want (like three flyers) because it's unfair and they don't have the right models to counter your strategies. So you take all these models off the board to appease other people in the interest of fairness and fun, and then they stomp your army because you're handicapped and have to play with something less exciting. I've since found other strategies, but every single one I go with seems to ruffle feathers, and the passive aggressive nature of most players I've encountered make the whole experience sour. If I could be drunk while playing, I'd probably have a lot more fun, but then I run into the first issue I described: The F Bomb. I've never had a problem with the rules of the game though, except for when a bolt pistol can take down my Valkyrie Vendettas.

Regardless, I enjoy painting the models more than anything. I bought the DKOK platoon and a ton of the Sisters of Battle look-a-likes from Raging Heroes and they're dope. I can't wait to paint everything. My fiancee even wants to get in on the painting action. Buying some stuff from Secret Weapon Miniatures to make mud and blasted wetlands bases for all of them, too. My next purchases will probably be from Victorian Miniatures- I plan to have a platoon of every Imperial Guard regiment available. I've already got a full platoon of Cadians, a full platoon of Steel Legion, a full platoon of Kasrkins, a full platoon of the new Tempestus Storm Trooper guys, and now DKOK. Since I ever only field about a platoon worth of infantry anyway, it works, and my Cadians can always be my bullet-sponge conscript platoon if I want one. If I do play again, it will NOT be at a Games Workshop. Not only do I refuse to speak the words "Astra Militarum" out-loud, but I also don't like the restrictions on what models I can buy and play with on a table. Way better to support a local hobby store anyway, I suppose.

Also, why people gotta pick on me for playing deep-strike Kasrkin squads!?!? Lmao, they look badass! And half the time, they DO blow up your big tanks in the rear of your formation.

TL;DR

Painting, yes

Playing, maybe

You would love my group. All we do is play, drink, and cuss at each other. Good times had by all!

 Stumme wrote:
Kinda. I play once a year and always have a bad experience. Not to mention it's hard for me not to swear, so I always struggle in public hobby stores with kids around. It takes a lot of effort for me to curtail the vocabulary I picked up in the Military and on contracted deployments, sooo... I also find that I'm stumbling into the wrong communities. People just have a bad attitude, and don't let you play with the models you want (like three flyers) because it's unfair and they don't have the right models to counter your strategies. So you take all these models off the board to appease other people in the interest of fairness and fun, and then they stomp your army because you're handicapped and have to play with something less exciting. I've since found other strategies, but every single one I go with seems to ruffle feathers, and the passive aggressive nature of most players I've encountered make the whole experience sour. If I could be drunk while playing, I'd probably have a lot more fun, but then I run into the first issue I described: The F Bomb. I've never had a problem with the rules of the game though, except for when a bolt pistol can take down my Valkyrie Vendettas.

Regardless, I enjoy painting the models more than anything. I bought the DKOK platoon and a ton of the Sisters of Battle look-a-likes from Raging Heroes and they're dope. I can't wait to paint everything. My fiancee even wants to get in on the painting action. Buying some stuff from Secret Weapon Miniatures to make mud and blasted wetlands bases for all of them, too. My next purchases will probably be from Victorian Miniatures- I plan to have a platoon of every Imperial Guard regiment available. I've already got a full platoon of Cadians, a full platoon of Steel Legion, a full platoon of Kasrkins, a full platoon of the new Tempestus Storm Trooper guys, and now DKOK. Since I ever only field about a platoon worth of infantry anyway, it works, and my Cadians can always be my bullet-sponge conscript platoon if I want one. If I do play again, it will NOT be at a Games Workshop. Not only do I refuse to speak the words "Astra Militarum" out-loud, but I also don't like the restrictions on what models I can buy and play with on a table. Way better to support a local hobby store anyway, I suppose.

Also, why people gotta pick on me for playing deep-strike Kasrkin squads!?!? Lmao, they look badass! And half the time, they DO blow up your big tanks in the rear of your formation.

TL;DR

Painting, yes

Playing, maybe

I bowed to voluntary "compostion" rules in a tournament once to be more friendly and not get penalized for comp scores, got my teeth kicked in because of it in a few games... cost me a lot more than if I just accepted that my army needed x more models to win. If you go to a public game store, bring two lists. No one wants to play against 3 identical flyers unless... thats what they are bringing too. I'm struggling to understand the difference between tournament quality and "friendly" lists. Also.. my first couple of games after my 1st one this year was not enjoyable, I expected all my armies to be balanced and thats just not the case. Although with the newest books and FAQs, its looking closer.

While I still read the novels and write stories based in the 41st Millennium and GM Dark Heresy and Rogue Trader, I've given up on collecting and playing the game. It's just too expensive here in New Zealand, especially as I'm a student right now.

Nobody else think its weird this thread originates back in 2016...

No?

By the time i have learnt every thing about 40k, it will be too late too leave ahahaha.


But nah i wouldn't leave, too much awesomeness.

Don't get me wrong I do love a good poll...

@Storm - I think 40k will end by the time I paint all my Eldar

Seeing as this thread is still going.
It's been 7 months since I sold all my Warhammer stuff, no regrets. Just Kings of War and Vanguard has most of the hobby that I have time for covered, Infinity could too. Then there is Gaslands for the rest of the time or if I'm in the mood to have just casual and ridiculous fun.
I also have a Malifaux crew.

Every now and then I overhear or have a look at the other side of the shop and never see anything I would miss. It's the same unclear rules, awful balance and struggle with competitive vs casual list/players (which is only a actual problem in Warhammer, because of the balance being that bad) that was terrible in 7th edition.
Why would I put up with GW's bad decisions and obvious money grabbing when there are so many other games and companies that are good? More than I can play. I've had to turn down new games (that also look fantastic) because there are too many

You should add the option of " continue to play with older edition " as an option.

I wouldn't say I've left. It's just that earlier this summer I realized that I didn't want to play anymore. Not selling any of my stuff. Indeed, I'm enjoying the painting more than ever. Just not jonesing for it like I used to. It's weird.

I don't really define myself as playing a game. I play a couple games a week. Sometimes that game is 40k. More often than not its something else, but not because I've quit or anything. Just other games to play.

I'm done

Mid to late 7th was just an cluster fup of awful, X-Wing was on the rise and even when that began to wobble in the year or so before 2.0 I just picked up other games as whilst I have an 8th BRB along with an Eldar Codex I felt no urge to return

Would have maybe been tempted by Kill Team but Guild Ball covers my low count skirmish needs (although have also pre-ordered Crisis in case SFG bungle GB)

I started playing toward the end of 2nd edition. I was one of the people that really liked the change to 3rd edition and got even more into the hobby back then.
I left the game at the end of 5th edition. I bought the 6th edition starter, but never got around to painting it despite really liking the miniatures in it. I just did not like the direction the game was taking, the way fliers and other Epic scale miniatures were creeping into the game, and I did not feel the 6th ed rules were an improvement over 5th edition. I moved country around the same time, so I lost my old group. I would plan to get games in from time to time but it never worked out in the end and I gave up on it.
As 7th edition rolled around I got interested, but saw that if anything it was even worse than 6th. I stopped paying attention and stopped following the game.

Then 8th hit and I heard the setting had advanced. I saw that the core rules had changed, and had a look at them. I figured the game was probably a lot better, but my years away had made me realise that I was not that bothered with the game if it was not what I wanted to be playing.

Recently, the Sci Fi bug has bitten me again. I am looking at my old models, buying stuff for new forces, and planning some terrain. I have some friends who might like to play (I will provide the forces) and I am excited to get back into it.
But I am gonna play Grimdark Future from One Page Rules instead of GW. It seems easier to teach to newbies, everything is pretty straightforward to understand and consolitdated especially in terms of list building, and it brings the scale of the game back down to what I consider to be about right. Alternating activation does away with a lot of the issues with overwhelming firepower that plagued previous editions.

I am very excited to get back to the universe I love in the spirit I started in. Gonna make my own minis, build a bunch of terrain and have a good time.