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2016/03/23 20:50:03
Subject: FAQ - GW is asking players what question they want to be answered
You see, that's the kind of rule that would benefit from GW writing it clearly in the first place. Though of course it can be argued that GW did intend the KFF to affect all models, and that's why they wrote all models rather than all friendly models.
Orock wrote: I did the ITC a favor and asked how the tau combined fire decursion benefits work. Since they choose to ignore raw and rai in favor of their favorite armies and players not having to do something drastic like changing their army composition ever. Mabye if its not the same 4 armies in the top every tournament with their rules every time, they might even benefit and get more attendance.
Yes the massive Tau boycott certainly hurt the LVO's attendance.
they did it to avoid a massive unofficial imperium boycott. the same reason they allow superfriends, and other blatant favorism.
I know the horrible ITC is oppressing you. Tau lives matter and all that.
Cant help but notice all your space marine stuff on your gallery. Oh and LOOK! space wolf thunder calvary. But I guess the rulings that they can ignore the combined chapter tactics with your wolves, white scars librarians, and blood angels apothecaries is just coincidence, and in no way benefits you or taints your opinion with bias. They should handle universal rulings such as invisibility and d weapons and such only. My main army is orks and I think its just stupid that we get a typo stompa for half price.
" Does the Heldrake Baleflamer and Eldar D-Scyths counts as flamers?"...
Really?...
Saw an arguement where a salamanders player walked away from a game because a chaos player wouldnt give him an invun save vs his helldrakes baleflamer. They dont talk to each other anymore. So that is a valid question in my book.
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2016/03/25 21:00:15
Subject: FAQ - GW is asking players what question they want to be answered
Orock wrote: I did the ITC a favor and asked how the tau combined fire decursion benefits work. Since they choose to ignore raw and rai in favor of their favorite armies and players not having to do something drastic like changing their army composition ever. Mabye if its not the same 4 armies in the top every tournament with their rules every time, they might even benefit and get more attendance.
Yes the massive Tau boycott certainly hurt the LVO's attendance.
they did it to avoid a massive unofficial imperium boycott. the same reason they allow superfriends, and other blatant favorism.
I know the horrible ITC is oppressing you. Tau lives matter and all that.
Cant help but notice all your space marine stuff on your gallery. Oh and LOOK! space wolf thunder calvary. But I guess the rulings that they can ignore the combined chapter tactics with your wolves, white scars librarians, and blood angels apothecaries is just coincidence, and in no way benefits you or taints your opinion with bias.
What, as opposed to the mountain-sized chip on your shoulder? Neither Blood Angels nor Space Wolves have Chapter Tactics, and even if they did you don't know if Crimson Devil plays a Wolfstar anyway. You're making the worst ad hominem attack I've seen in quite a while, and you're making yourself seem exceedingly petty in the process.
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2016/03/26 05:56:24
Subject: FAQ - GW is asking players what question they want to be answered
Orock wrote: I did the ITC a favor and asked how the tau combined fire decursion benefits work. Since they choose to ignore raw and rai in favor of their favorite armies and players not having to do something drastic like changing their army composition ever. Mabye if its not the same 4 armies in the top every tournament with their rules every time, they might even benefit and get more attendance.
Yes the massive Tau boycott certainly hurt the LVO's attendance.
they did it to avoid a massive unofficial imperium boycott. the same reason they allow superfriends, and other blatant favorism.
I know the horrible ITC is oppressing you. Tau lives matter and all that.
Cant help but notice all your space marine stuff on your gallery. Oh and LOOK! space wolf thunder calvary. But I guess the rulings that they can ignore the combined chapter tactics with your wolves, white scars librarians, and blood angels apothecaries is just coincidence, and in no way benefits you or taints your opinion with bias. They should handle universal rulings such as invisibility and d weapons and such only. My main army is orks and I think its just stupid that we get a typo stompa for half price.
Lol. Since you're curious. My main army is Blood Angels. I played Space Wolves back in 5th edition. Had a lot of fun with them. But I missed my Blood Angels, so I sold them quite a while ago. I left the picture in my gallery because I find Kid Kyoto's comment on the pic funny. I occasionally play my Blood Angels proxied as White Scars, and Salamanders in 30k. The Howling Griffons are permanent residents of my display case and my purple Blood Angels are in a box somewhere. I've never used a superfriends deathstar, but I did try a centstar once.
2016/03/26 08:48:49
Subject: FAQ - GW is asking players what question they want to be answered
Orock wrote: I did the ITC a favor and asked how the tau combined fire decursion benefits work. Since they choose to ignore raw and rai in favor of their favorite armies and players not having to do something drastic like changing their army composition ever. Mabye if its not the same 4 armies in the top every tournament with their rules every time, they might even benefit and get more attendance.
Yes the massive Tau boycott certainly hurt the LVO's attendance.
they did it to avoid a massive unofficial imperium boycott. the same reason they allow superfriends, and other blatant favorism.
I know the horrible ITC is oppressing you. Tau lives matter and all that.
Cant help but notice all your space marine stuff on your gallery. Oh and LOOK! space wolf thunder calvary. But I guess the rulings that they can ignore the combined chapter tactics with your wolves, white scars librarians, and blood angels apothecaries is just coincidence, and in no way benefits you or taints your opinion with bias.
What, as opposed to the mountain-sized chip on your shoulder? Neither Blood Angels nor Space Wolves have Chapter Tactics, and even if they did you don't know if Crimson Devil plays a Wolfstar anyway. You're making the worst ad hominem attack I've seen in quite a while, and you're making yourself seem exceedingly petty in the process.
never denied it, not going to start now. Not having chapter tactics is a cop out. Its still allowing you to use the best ones, aka white scars, and all the other goodies of the best non chapter tactic lists and abusing the system in ways that break the game. Corporate tax evasion via channeling money thru ireland and other places is legal too. It dosent make it acceptable. Allies have broken the game, but people defend them to the death because "lol with no allies eldar would always win" That doesnt justify an equally broken system to answer back. And my original chip is from the ITC being too scared of what it would do to their attendance/business to risk the imperial ire and put in place justifiable nerfs, yet they seem fine handing it out lopsidedly to minor factions to placate those same players they are afraid to death to displease. Its cowardly and their reasoning is disingenuous.
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2016/03/26 11:39:13
Subject: FAQ - GW is asking players what question they want to be answered
" Does the Heldrake Baleflamer and Eldar D-Scyths counts as flamers?"...
Really?...
I don't see anything wrong with those questions. Especially the D Scythe.
Orock wrote:
Since in the weapons profil the range is "Template", it is a flamer weapon, always been this way, just like any weapon with a blast template in his profil no matter how its called uses the blast rules, thats why this question is redundant.
" Does the Heldrake Baleflamer and Eldar D-Scyths counts as flamers?"...
Really?...
Saw an arguement where a salamanders player walked away from a game because a chaos player wouldnt give him an invun save vs his helldrakes baleflamer. They dont talk to each other anymore. So that is a valid question in my book.
thats a weird argument, because Baleflamer is a flamer, since it uses the template and also doesn't Salamender ChapTac specify "reroll armor saves" and not "armor and invulnerable saves"? Vs flamer?
Wich in this case half of the time, except Vs Termies doesn't do gak, because the Baleflamer is AP3.
Also why the Chaos player din't allow the guy to make invul saves?, doesn't make any sens.
" Does the Heldrake Baleflamer and Eldar D-Scyths counts as flamers?"...
Really?...
I don't see anything wrong with those questions. Especially the D Scythe.
Orock wrote:
Since in the weapons profil the range is "Template", it is a flamer weapon, always been this way, just like any weapon with a blast template in his profil no matter how its called uses the blast rules, thats why this question is redundant.
" Does the Heldrake Baleflamer and Eldar D-Scyths counts as flamers?"...
Really?...
Saw an arguement where a salamanders player walked away from a game because a chaos player wouldnt give him an invun save vs his helldrakes baleflamer. They dont talk to each other anymore. So that is a valid question in my book.
thats a weird argument, because Baleflamer is a flamer, since it uses the template and also doesn't Salamender ChapTac specify "reroll armor saves" and not "armor and invulnerable saves"? Vs flamer?
Wich in this case half of the time, except Vs Termies doesn't do gak, because the Baleflamer is AP3.
Also why the Chaos player din't allow the guy to make invul saves?, doesn't make any sens.
because it does not say flamer anywhere in the description. I know, its so stupid, but the guy was a waac type of guy and he would not concede his baleFLAMER was a flamer type weapon. then again thats why we need these types of faq's, because GW cant be bothered to proofread before they put their books out.
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2016/03/26 16:53:45
Subject: FAQ - GW is asking players what question they want to be answered
never denied it, not going to start now. Not having chapter tactics is a cop out. Its still allowing you to use the best ones, aka white scars, and all the other goodies of the best non chapter tactic lists and abusing the system in ways that break the game. Corporate tax evasion via channeling money thru ireland and other places is legal too. It dosent make it acceptable. Allies have broken the game, but people defend them to the death because "lol with no allies eldar would always win" That doesnt justify an equally broken system to answer back. And my original chip is from the ITC being too scared of what it would do to their attendance/business to risk the imperial ire and put in place justifiable nerfs, yet they seem fine handing it out lopsidedly to minor factions to placate those same players they are afraid to death to displease. Its cowardly and their reasoning is disingenuous.
It's funny. As a Blood Angel player, when I complain about the weakness of our codex people respond with "Use Allies shenanigans to make up the difference". But should I ever do it, I'm the bad guy for doing it. There truly isn't any winning for the BAs.
I agree with you that super friends is stupid. The game is broken beyond belief. 7th edition is the worst version of the game I have ever played and I started in 2nd.
Your attacks on the ITC and FLG will win you a few converts. But overall, Your actions are in fact doing more damage to your cause than anything else. The rules changes are in place until enough people ask FLG to reevaluate them. Saying nasty things online isn't going to make that happen.
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2016/03/26 19:00:06
Subject: FAQ - GW is asking players what question they want to be answered
because it does not say flamer anywhere in the description. I know, its so stupid, but the guy was a waac type of guy and he would not concede his baleFLAMER was a flamer type weapon. then again thats why we need these types of faq's, because GW cant be bothered to proofread before they put their books out.
The Assault Cannon is not an Assault Weapon.
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2016/03/26 21:41:59
Subject: FAQ - GW is asking players what question they want to be answered
because it does not say flamer anywhere in the description. I know, its so stupid, but the guy was a waac type of guy and he would not concede his baleFLAMER was a flamer type weapon. then again thats why we need these types of faq's, because GW cant be bothered to proofread before they put their books out.
The Assault Cannon is not an Assault Weapon.
I don't see how that's relevant.
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2016/03/26 21:53:04
Subject: FAQ - GW is asking players what question they want to be answered
because it does not say flamer anywhere in the description. I know, its so stupid, but the guy was a waac type of guy and he would not concede his baleFLAMER was a flamer type weapon. then again thats why we need these types of faq's, because GW cant be bothered to proofread before they put their books out.
The Assault Cannon is not an Assault Weapon.
I don't see how that's relevant.
The claim was it's called a baleflamer and therefore should be a flamer weapon. The counter-argument is that Assault Cannons are not assault weapons. It is pointing out that the name means nothing. It's the rules for the item that matter.
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2016/03/26 21:54:55
Subject: FAQ - GW is asking players what question they want to be answered
because it does not say flamer anywhere in the description. I know, its so stupid, but the guy was a waac type of guy and he would not concede his baleFLAMER was a flamer type weapon. then again thats why we need these types of faq's, because GW cant be bothered to proofread before they put their books out.
The Assault Cannon is not an Assault Weapon.
I don't see how that's relevant.
The claim was it's called a baleflamer and therefore should be a flamer weapon. The counter-argument is that Assault Cannons are not assault weapons. It is pointing out that the name means nothing. It's the rules for the item that matter.
Oh I see. I managed to confuse myself.
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2016/03/27 11:17:12
Subject: FAQ - GW is asking players what question they want to be answered
Yeah but it doesn't need to precise or have a "flamer" rule in its profil, look at the profil of a flamer.
There is no "flamer" rule in it, only thing is the "template" under range, you then go check the rules for templates and see the actual flamer rules ; every model under it is hit, ignore cover, etc,etc.
Look at the Baleflamer and D-scyth profiles and their range is "template" so yhey function under the same rules as a flamer.
Next time that this guy says otherwise, ask him to roll to hit with the heldrake and tells him that your models have a cover save.
Since he claim that its not flamer, then he should'nt use theor rules.
Wulfmar wrote: I doubt my questions would be given a substantial or meaningful answer. But then, I'm not playing along just yet.
1) Why is the new Dark Eldar codex essentially the old one with a load of rules cut out and the pages on a number of named characters ripped out?
2) When will CSM be given attention? As in, good attention?
3) Ahriman, where's his spell familiar or equivalent so he doesn't peril every single time he casts?
4) Abandoned Sons... I mean Thousand Sons, fix them any time soon?
5) While we're on codices, What about making orks worthwhile? I'm 3 for 3 here on stuffed over armies
6) Tomb Kings - not actually a question, just my middle finger
You, and questions like yours, are the reason these sorts of things fail: "ask us about rules clarifications!" "OK! feth you, why no codex? Why game not the same as 3 years ago."
GW is a grown-up company, not a bunch of kindergarten children. They are capable of reading all the user queries and ignoring the ones that are irrelevant, without getting into a huff and sulking in the corner all afternoon.
Ummm....are you new to GW? This is exactly what they have done in the past, they have figuratively taken there ball and gone home before in the past.
2016/03/27 12:34:02
Subject: Re:FAQ - GW is asking players what question they want to be answered
BoomWolf wrote: I disagree.
There is much to FAQ, and much to balance, but at its core mechanics it's a good game.
Eh...I would say the fact that there is so much to FAQ on the core rules in addition to all the extra stuff from codices and stuff would make it apparent that the core mechanics are the issue, otherwise dakka-heavy armies like Tau, Eldar, and SM grav-spam, wouldn't be dominating so hard against the majority of the other armies.
2016/03/27 19:38:24
Subject: FAQ - GW is asking players what question they want to be answered
BoomWolf wrote: Every flamer is a template =/= every template is a flamer.
On the same note that every gun is a weapon, and not every weapon is a gun.
Is what a "flamer" weapon is, ever defined anywhere in the relevant rules sections?
In the main rulebook, in the Weapons of the 41st Millennia" section (or whatever it is called), there is a group of weapons called "Flamer weapons" Not all weapons that use a template are classified as a flamer weapon. Some weapons in codices are noted as being a flamer weapon (for example, one of the bombs in Codex: Orks).
But as Kilkrazy stated, we are getting out of General and into YMDC.
Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
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2016/03/27 23:01:53
Subject: Re:FAQ - GW is asking players what question they want to be answered
Kilkrazy wrote: This is drifting off topic into the realms of YMDC.
I'm confused. This thread is about pktentially eliminating many of ymdc situations by having a possible clear and consice FAQ made by gw. It's only natural and probably healthy to bring things like these up, as they are prime candidates for said future FAQ. Best to brainstorm and discuss a bunch of ideas in one thread than each and every one having its own thread.
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