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 angelofvengeance wrote:

 kronk wrote:
So, will the Deathwatch Codex be a hardback codex, or stupid digital only?

How is digital only stupid? Paper creates clutter. Having it on tablet or phone is much better.

Some of us old grognards just hate trees.

I have a iPad, but don’t generally bring it to the FLGS. And a phone screen sucks for reading/reference. I like to have a book sitting at the side of the table. Easier to flip through, bookmark, and have multiple books open at once to cross-check.

Plus it gets to stay on the shelf forever as a reference. Digital isn’t as reliable for that.

I’m much more likely to pick up a paper book then a digital one.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 kronk wrote:
So, will the Deathwatch Codex be a hardback codex, or stupid digital only?

How is digital only stupid? Paper creates clutter. Having it on tablet or phone is much better.

Only if you have such devices that can read them - having it in both formats is better as it caters for both markets - otherwise I just have to have it printed.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 kronk wrote:
So, will the Deathwatch Codex be a hardback codex, or stupid digital only?

How is digital only stupid? Paper creates clutter. Having it on tablet or phone is much better.

Unless, you know, you can't afford a tablet. Or you have some awareness of the pretty horrifying reality when you go down the chain of tech production and so choose to minimise the number of devices you own so you contribute to that as little as possible. Or electronic screens give you eyestrain. Or you just prefer the user experience of books to tablets. Or you like to actually own the things you buy rather than simply being granted a conditional license that in theory can be revoked at any time.

And it's stupid because together, all those and other reasons will be a non-trivial number of potential customers and by going digital only you're leaving most of their money on the table.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 kronk wrote:
So, will the Deathwatch Codex be a hardback codex, or stupid digital only?

How is digital only stupid? Paper creates clutter. Having it on tablet or phone is much better.

Unless, you know, you can't afford a tablet. Or you have some awareness of the pretty horrifying reality when you go down the chain of tech production and so choose to minimise the number of devices you own so you contribute to that as little as possible. Or electronic screens give you eyestrain. Or you just prefer the user experience of books to tablets. Or you like to actually own the things you buy rather than simply being granted a conditional license that in theory can be revoked at any time.

And it's stupid because together, all those and other reasons will be a non-trivial number of potential customers and by going digital only you're leaving most of their money on the table.

You don't own phone?

And good luck for companies trying to prevent you from reading ebook you have bought. They ain't going to succeed in that. Ebook is THE safest format for being able to read in future. Regular books wear down, can be burned down in accident, can be stolen. Ebooks...Only way I can't read them after buying is by dying.

tneva82 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 kronk wrote:
So, will the Deathwatch Codex be a hardback codex, or stupid digital only?

How is digital only stupid? Paper creates clutter. Having it on tablet or phone is much better.

Unless, you know, you can't afford a tablet. Or you have some awareness of the pretty horrifying reality when you go down the chain of tech production and so choose to minimise the number of devices you own so you contribute to that as little as possible. Or electronic screens give you eyestrain. Or you just prefer the user experience of books to tablets. Or you like to actually own the things you buy rather than simply being granted a conditional license that in theory can be revoked at any time.

And it's stupid because together, all those and other reasons will be a non-trivial number of potential customers and by going digital only you're leaving most of their money on the table.

You don't own phone?

And good luck for companies trying to prevent you from reading ebook you have bought. They ain't going to succeed in that. Ebook is THE safest format for being able to read in future. Regular books wear down, can be burned down in accident, can be stolen. Ebooks...Only way I can't read them after buying is by dying.

Or the power goes out for an extended period of time.

tneva82 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 kronk wrote:
So, will the Deathwatch Codex be a hardback codex, or stupid digital only?

How is digital only stupid? Paper creates clutter. Having it on tablet or phone is much better.

Unless, you know, you can't afford a tablet. Or you have some awareness of the pretty horrifying reality when you go down the chain of tech production and so choose to minimise the number of devices you own so you contribute to that as little as possible. Or electronic screens give you eyestrain. Or you just prefer the user experience of books to tablets. Or you like to actually own the things you buy rather than simply being granted a conditional license that in theory can be revoked at any time.

And it's stupid because together, all those and other reasons will be a non-trivial number of potential customers and by going digital only you're leaving most of their money on the table.

.....
Ebooks...Only way I can't read them after buying is by dying.

If you believe this you are an idiot. Apple has already proven how unsafe electronic media storage is. Physical copies of media can only be controlled by one person - the owner. This is not true for electronics.

tneva82 wrote:

You don't own phone?.

I don't.


I think this little tangent is a wee bit too much off topic for this thread.

One appreciates there's not much info here to discuss, but that situation will not be helped by going this far off topic.

Do feel free to start a thread discussing this issue elsewhere of course

yeah,
Also you can sell a soft/hardback copy on when your done with it.
Can't do that with digital copy.

In fact I think you pay for it but you don't actually own a digital copy...

Panic...

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
Also you can sell a soft/hardback copy on when your done with it.
Can't do that with digital copy.

In fact I think you pay for it but you don't actually own a digital copy...

Panic...

Yeah I forget the proper name. Leasing? Renting? Licensing? What ever that is suppose to mean.

That said, hoping there is an iPad interactive version for it. I like having the explanations of rules at a touch of a finger or click of a mouse. I wonder why there is no non iPad interactive versions of the rules and books.

When it comes to DW, I think the approach GW seems to be taking is a good idea. Grey Knights are elite and DW have to be distinctive and elite in a different sort of way. DW have their unique gear and powers but it's more about the melding and cooperation of characters that for all intents and purposes are on the path to becoming significant figures in their respective chapters. If they aren't a captain or some other prominent rank one day they will be, assuming they survive. That's because that is the type of marines who go into it.

I think the codex should be a relatively small corps of troop choices but where the predominant driver of the armies capabilities takes the form of a large number of Special and generic characters that get mixed in. A loyalist marine army where every model has 2 wounds and a decent arsenal, where chapter tactics can mix is a very distinct play style.

I don't want to see cookie cutter units like a "Deathwatch tactical squad" or "Death Watch terminator squad"... The death watch in many ways go beyond those conventions. For example a Death Watch army would have several guys similar to any one of the characters from the board game, so a terminator squad of almost-captains should be built more around that premise and be balanced with that in mind. For example I think it's the sort of place where it'd be more appropriate to bring back something resembling the recon terminator squads; a squad of three well equipped terminators in this instance where the smaller numbers balance the capabilities of three characters. I'm not saying it has to be that, just that there needs to be thought beyond lifting standard marine units adding "Deathwatch" to the name and a few weapon options.

Yeah Deathwatch are cool. They are like the navy seals of the space marines. Using superior training, prototytpe tech, and the best current technology they can get their hands on. And then just being super good at all combat stuff.

I personally hope that the Deathwatch codex doesn't have units. That you take separate model, give them unique wargear, and then bunch them up. Taking a 'Deathwatch Tactical Squad' would be boring.

 Matthew wrote:
I personally hope that the Deathwatch codex doesn't have units. That you take separate model, give them unique wargear, and then bunch them up. Taking a 'Deathwatch Tactical Squad' would be boring.

Well, if they have the same or greater level of customization as a squad of Sternguard, wouldn't that be much of the same thing? Definitely agreed though, Kill Teams should be very spread out in terms of abilities.

 Matthew wrote:
I personally hope that the Deathwatch codex doesn't have units. That you take separate model, give them unique wargear, and then bunch them up. Taking a 'Deathwatch Tactical Squad' would be boring.

Im inclined to agree with this. If they did i could see me actually getting a box simply so i could , convert a few.




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tneva82 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 kronk wrote:
So, will the Deathwatch Codex be a hardback codex, or stupid digital only?

How is digital only stupid? Paper creates clutter. Having it on tablet or phone is much better.

Unless, you know, you can't afford a tablet. Or you have some awareness of the pretty horrifying reality when you go down the chain of tech production and so choose to minimise the number of devices you own so you contribute to that as little as possible. Or electronic screens give you eyestrain. Or you just prefer the user experience of books to tablets. Or you like to actually own the things you buy rather than simply being granted a conditional license that in theory can be revoked at any time.

And it's stupid because together, all those and other reasons will be a non-trivial number of potential customers and by going digital only you're leaving most of their money on the table.

You don't own phone?

And good luck for companies trying to prevent you from reading ebook you have bought. They ain't going to succeed in that. Ebook is THE safest format for being able to read in future. Regular books wear down, can be burned down in accident, can be stolen. Ebooks...Only way I can't read them after buying is by dying.

Or unless the download link being removed, and GW doesn't exactly encourage much faith. Sorry.

My bank won't allow me to purchase from Black Library, for some reason. It has something to do with the small purchases (I have only tried to buy some dataslates), but if the DW codex is digital only, I will probably end up needing to pirate it if I want to have it. Not condoning piracy, but I would literally be unable to purchase it.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
My bank won't allow me to purchase from Black Library, for some reason. It has something to do with the small purchases (I have only tried to buy some dataslates), but if the DW codex is digital only, I will probably end up needing to pirate it if I want to have it. Not condoning piracy, but I would literally be unable to purchase it.

Small transactions are apparently how fraudsters try their luck. Lots of little transactions before they start mining funds. Cards are also usually limited to 15 transactions a day. Might be worth having a word with your bank/card provider about that.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
My bank won't allow me to purchase from Black Library, for some reason. It has something to do with the small purchases (I have only tried to buy some dataslates), but if the DW codex is digital only, I will probably end up needing to pirate it if I want to have it. Not condoning piracy, but I would literally be unable to purchase it.

Small transactions are apparently how fraudsters try their luck. Lots of little transactions before they start mining funds. Cards are also usually limited to 15 transactions a day. Might be worth having a word with your bank/card provider about that.

That was what they told me when I asked them. Unfortunately, they said it was a safeguard that could not be disabled. My bank was bought by a larger bank recently, so I am hoping for it to no longer be a problem. The issue is that Black Library is based out of the UK. I do all sorts of small transactions online for stuff like comic books and never encounter issues. But that is from US-based companies.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
My bank won't allow me to purchase from Black Library, for some reason. It has something to do with the small purchases (I have only tried to buy some dataslates), but if the DW codex is digital only, I will probably end up needing to pirate it if I want to have it. Not condoning piracy, but I would literally be unable to purchase it.

Small transactions are apparently how fraudsters try their luck. Lots of little transactions before they start mining funds. Cards are also usually limited to 15 transactions a day. Might be worth having a word with your bank/card provider about that.

That was what they told me when I asked them. Unfortunately, they said it was a safeguard that could not be disabled. My bank was bought by a larger bank recently, so I am hoping for it to no longer be a problem. The issue is that Black Library is based out of the UK. I do all sorts of small transactions online for stuff like comic books and never encounter issues. But that is from US-based companies.

Slightly off topic. But the solution might be to get a pre paid debit card, I don't know what their availability is like in the states. But it basically works like a credit card that you pay for up front. Very easy to get hold of over here, and should solve your problems. It sucks that your bank won't let you spend your own money.

 General Kroll wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
My bank won't allow me to purchase from Black Library, for some reason. It has something to do with the small purchases (I have only tried to buy some dataslates), but if the DW codex is digital only, I will probably end up needing to pirate it if I want to have it. Not condoning piracy, but I would literally be unable to purchase it.

Small transactions are apparently how fraudsters try their luck. Lots of little transactions before they start mining funds. Cards are also usually limited to 15 transactions a day. Might be worth having a word with your bank/card provider about that.

That was what they told me when I asked them. Unfortunately, they said it was a safeguard that could not be disabled. My bank was bought by a larger bank recently, so I am hoping for it to no longer be a problem. The issue is that Black Library is based out of the UK. I do all sorts of small transactions online for stuff like comic books and never encounter issues. But that is from US-based companies.

Slightly off topic. But the solution might be to get a pre paid debit card, I don't know what their availability is like in the states. But it basically works like a credit card that you pay for up front. Very easy to get hold of over here, and should solve your problems. It sucks that your bank won't let you spend your own money.

Tried that. They are only usable for purchases in the US and Canada, at least the ones I have been able to find.

Anyway, I am thinking this will be a physical book, probably around the size of the Scitarii book or Harlequins book.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
aTried that. They are only usable for purchases in the US and Canada, at least the ones I have been able to find.

Anyway, I am thinking this will be a physical book, probably around the size of the Scitarii book or Harlequins book.

Paypal?

tneva82 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
aTried that. They are only usable for purchases in the US and Canada, at least the ones I have been able to find.

Anyway, I am thinking this will be a physical book, probably around the size of the Scitarii book or Harlequins book.

Paypal?

Black Library/Warhammer Digital does not accept or use PayPal.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
aTried that. They are only usable for purchases in the US and Canada, at least the ones I have been able to find.

Anyway, I am thinking this will be a physical book, probably around the size of the Scitarii book or Harlequins book.

Paypal?

Black Library/Warhammer Digital does not accept or use PayPal.

Hear that GW? Your must raise prices immediately or your customers will be unable to purchase your products!