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 Luciferian wrote:
Third-party bits in general are pretty expensive. Cadians look like potatoes anyway so here's hoping GW updates them sometime.

Well, yeah. For the price of 24 female heads and 21 pairs of female legs from Victoria Miniatures you can get almost two whole boxes of Cadian Shock Troops at Canadian prices.

The point wasn't to defend GW's inane and nonsensical policy, just to nudge anyone interested in female soldats in Victoria's direction.

 Luciferian wrote:
Third-party bits in general are pretty expensive. Cadians look like potatoes anyway so here's hoping GW updates them sometime.

Well if Cadians look like potato and mine are also painted by a potato to look like potatoes, do they now gain the ability to transform to Vodka?

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:
Third-party bits in general are pretty expensive. Cadians look like potatoes anyway so here's hoping GW updates them sometime.

Well if Cadians look like potato and mine are also painted by a potato to look like potatoes, do they now gain the ability to transform to Vodka?

Only if they are Valhallan =P

Aw, I'm oddly fond of the little potatoey Cadians, I like having a bunch of Barrys and Fredas in the middle of all the muscle bound macho men and spikey space knights. I'm dreading the day they're updated.

Casualty wrote:
Aw, I'm oddly fond of the little potatoey Cadians, I like having a bunch of Barrys and Fredas in the middle of all the muscle bound macho men and spikey space knights. I'm dreading the day they're updated.

Checks out i guess.

Why must deviant sexuality worm its way into all facets of pop-culture? Keep your confused hormones out of wargaming.

 Norchack wrote:

Why must deviant sexuality worm its way into all facets of pop-culture? Keep your confused hormones out of wargaming.

Its a legitimate question. It also has an air of inclusiveness. Just because you don't agree with us dosen't mean we do not exist. The future of this game is making it open for everyone to some degree. By that I do not mean watering it down for popular consumption but merely acknowledging that its not an old boys club and everyone is welcome to play. New blood is what will make 40k grow and if you double down on opposition to that you will live to see 40k wither and die. As a transwoman I am more than happy to welcome all with open arms and open hearts! I recently came out to my local gaming club/store and they have been just AMAZING in accepting me and doing their best to make me feel welcome. This kind of atmosphere is also why our local gaming community has almost tripled in size in the last year and we have dozens of new kids join up. Its a great time to be in the game.

I am a man transitioning to double-man.

Club can't even handle me right now.

Also I have two boners when I think about bolters.

 generalchaos34 wrote:

 Norchack wrote:

Why must deviant sexuality worm its way into all facets of pop-culture? Keep your confused hormones out of wargaming.

Its a legitimate question. It also has an air of inclusiveness. Just because you don't agree with us dosen't mean we do not exist. The future of this game is making it open for everyone to some degree. By that I do not mean watering it down for popular consumption but merely acknowledging that its not an old boys club and everyone is welcome to play. New blood is what will make 40k grow and if you double down on opposition to that you will live to see 40k wither and die. As a transwoman I am more than happy to welcome all with open arms and open hearts! I recently came out to my local gaming club/store and they have been just AMAZING in accepting me and doing their best to make me feel welcome. This kind of atmosphere is also why our local gaming community has almost tripled in size in the last year and we have dozens of new kids join up. Its a great time to be in the game.

Glad to hear a good story like that. Hope everywhere you go is as welcoming!

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
I am a man transitioning to double-man.

Club can't even handle me right now.

Also I have two boners when I think about bolters.

Slip this quote into official Primaris fluff and nobody would even notice.

Casualty wrote:
Slip this quote into official Primaris fluff and nobody would even notice.

It's probably in the first paragraph of Shadowspear's booklet.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 generalchaos34 wrote:

 Norchack wrote:

Why must deviant sexuality worm its way into all facets of pop-culture? Keep your confused hormones out of wargaming.

Its a legitimate question. It also has an air of inclusiveness. Just because you don't agree with us dosen't mean we do not exist. The future of this game is making it open for everyone to some degree. By that I do not mean watering it down for popular consumption but merely acknowledging that its not an old boys club and everyone is welcome to play. New blood is what will make 40k grow and if you double down on opposition to that you will live to see 40k wither and die. As a transwoman I am more than happy to welcome all with open arms and open hearts! I recently came out to my local gaming club/store and they have been just AMAZING in accepting me and doing their best to make me feel welcome. This kind of atmosphere is also why our local gaming community has almost tripled in size in the last year and we have dozens of new kids join up. Its a great time to be in the game.

Glad to hear a good story like that. Hope everywhere you go is as welcoming!

I've been floored by the reaction (from everyone really, I live in a fairly conservative area) although I'm not out to my biggest critics, work and family.

The local gaming community here has been a huge boon to my mental well being since they treat me like a person and try very hard to remember my name and pronouns. Game Night is pretty much a guaranteed place where I can be my authentic self without fear. I had a lot of fear starting out because of our community's.....reputation towards women and a general reluctance toward social change but everyone has been stellar so far. I had assurances at first from the manager that he would not tolerate people who harassed me but it has not been even close to that. We do have a very strong and open group and toxic people have been made to either shape up or head elsewhere so i imagine that helps alot. I even went out of the way to send this story to GW for their big "how did Warhammer Change My Life" story drive they did a few weeks ago. I wouldn't be as far along as I am today if it wasn't for the support of both my local LGBT support groups and my Warhammer community since it has been such a huge part of my life and my passions. Having a place where you can feel like you belong and people accept you for who are (regardless of whoever you are) is such a gift that many people take for granted, be it school, church, work, or at home.

For the detractors out there just remember how you treat people can have rippling effects. Sure its just a game but to some people it can mean the difference between life and death if they are already on a mental precipice. A little kindness goes a long way and doing that shows no weakness to you and takes no effort on your part.

Make the world a better place one die roll at a time! (unless its a one)

Casualty wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
I am a man transitioning to double-man.

Club can't even handle me right now.

Also I have two boners when I think about bolters.

Slip this quote into official Primaris fluff and nobody would even notice.

Which should give some insight into the amount of originality and wit it contains.

 Excommunicatus wrote:

Casualty wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
I am a man transitioning to double-man.

Club can't even handle me right now.

Also I have two boners when I think about bolters.

Slip this quote into official Primaris fluff and nobody would even notice.

Which should give some insight into the amount of originality and wit it contains.

And they wonder why this community has so much trouble attracting women...

 generalchaos34 wrote:
And they wonder why this community has so much trouble attracting women...

Considering that about half of all my gaming groups are women (actual women, biologically), I'd say you probably need to speak for yourselves. And, you know, not for women (I have noticed that tends to drive them away).

Usually, the people chiding me about some silly quip are overweight neckbeards that measure the time between laundry and brushing their teeth by Presidential administrations. Of course my bad joke is what pushes all the hot chicks away, says the 300-pound guy that wears the same t-shirt every weekend and never uses deodorant.

 generalchaos34 wrote:

Its a legitimate question. It also has an air of inclusiveness. Just because you don't agree with us dosen't mean we do not exist. The future of this game is making it open for everyone to some degree. By that I do not mean watering it down for popular consumption but merely acknowledging that its not an old boys club and everyone is welcome to play. New blood is what will make 40k grow and if you double down on opposition to that you will live to see 40k wither and die. As a transwoman I am more than happy to welcome all with open arms and open hearts! I recently came out to my local gaming club/store and they have been just AMAZING in accepting me and doing their best to make me feel welcome. This kind of atmosphere is also why our local gaming community has almost tripled in size in the last year and we have dozens of new kids join up. Its a great time to be in the game.

This, this makes me happy.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 generalchaos34 wrote:
And they wonder why this community has so much trouble attracting women...

Considering that about half of all my gaming groups are women (actual women, biologically), I'd say you probably need to speak for yourselves. And, you know, not for women (I have noticed that tends to drive them away).

Usually, the people chiding me about some silly quip are overweight neckbeards that measure the time between laundry and brushing their teeth by Presidential administrations. Of course my bad joke is what pushes all the hot chicks away, says the 300-pound guy that wears the same t-shirt every weekend and never uses deodorant.

Im sharing a personal story about kindness and acceptance and you are making jokes about boners and ad hominem attacks. Those are quite different things in the context of this poll.

 generalchaos34 wrote:
Im sharing a personal story about kindness and acceptance and you are making jokes about boners and ad hominem attacks. Those are quite different things in the context of this poll.

No one is making attacks but you, in case your memory is damaged. Would you like me to quote it, or can you use your mouse scroller?

I don't see at any point where I interrupted your story. As far as I can tell, you said your piece and people can reply to that and continue discussing it and responding regardless of anything said about boners, bolters, bad hygiene, or the price of tea in China. It can even be interrupted by your comically rude statement regarding people being unable to attract women, something I've not really seen as a problem.

Also, I'm still trying to figure out what part of this thread is specifically belonging to you, you do not seem to be the OP.

Adeptus Doritos, I really hope you think your jokes don't hurt anyone, or offend anyone. I'd like to think you're the kind of person who doesn't want to make others feel sad or mad or offended or anything like that.

So, as a corollary, when you have someone outright tell you "Please stop," it'd behoove you to listen.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 generalchaos34 wrote:
Im sharing a personal story about kindness and acceptance and you are making jokes about boners and ad hominem attacks. Those are quite different things in the context of this poll.

No one is making attacks but you, in case your memory is damaged. Would you like me to quote it, or can you use your mouse scroller?

I don't see at any point where I interrupted your story. As far as I can tell, you said your piece and people can reply to that and continue discussing it and responding regardless of anything said about boners, bolters, bad hygiene, or the price of tea in China. It can even be interrupted by your comically rude statement regarding people being unable to attract women, something I've not really seen as a problem.

Also, I'm still trying to figure out what part of this thread is specifically belonging to you, you do not seem to be the OP.

You're making an overreaching statement about attraction, I meant merely getting women to JOIN in the warhammer hobby, not to date them. The context of the poll is that women constitute a tiny minority of the community (something that even if its not true in your locality is very true on a worldwide scale) and the OP graciously included the option for gender variant folks such as myself to allow for inclusiveness. Comments like yours in which you make offhand comments about boners and such are part of the problem of perception that constantly distances women from participating in our wonderful hobby.

Dial it back please people, no need to be rude to anyone.

 JNAProductions wrote:
Adeptus Doritos, I really hope you think your jokes don't hurt anyone, or offend anyone. I'd like to think you're the kind of person who doesn't want to make others feel sad or mad or offended or anything like that.

Don't worry- I don't think that at all. I'm much more reasonable and realistic.

I simply don't care.

My stuff is mild, and I tend to like to treat all people fairly and with common courtesy, but when someone comes along and throws shade- they don't get to be the victim when it's thrown back.

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 generalchaos34 wrote:
You're making an overreaching statement about attraction, I meant merely getting women to JOIN in the warhammer hobby, not to date them. The context of the poll is that women constitute a tiny minority of the community (something that even if its not true in your locality is very true on a worldwide scale) and the OP graciously included the option for gender variant folks such as myself to allow for inclusiveness. Comments like yours in which you make offhand comments about boners and such are part of the problem of perception that constantly distances women from participating in our wonderful hobby.

Again:

The consistency of gaming groups I am in says otherwise, and they're often worse than I am.

And...

...You do not get to speak for all women.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
Adeptus Doritos, I really hope you think your jokes don't hurt anyone, or offend anyone. I'd like to think you're the kind of person who doesn't want to make others feel sad or mad or offended or anything like that.

Don't worry- I don't think that at all. I'm much more reasonable and realistic.

I simply don't care.

My stuff is mild, and I tend to like to treat all people fairly and with common courtesy, but when someone comes along and throws shade- they don't get to be the victim when it's thrown back.

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 generalchaos34 wrote:
You're making an overreaching statement about attraction, I meant merely getting women to JOIN in the warhammer hobby, not to date them. The context of the poll is that women constitute a tiny minority of the community (something that even if its not true in your locality is very true on a worldwide scale) and the OP graciously included the option for gender variant folks such as myself to allow for inclusiveness. Comments like yours in which you make offhand comments about boners and such are part of the problem of perception that constantly distances women from participating in our wonderful hobby.

Again:

The consistency of gaming groups I am in says otherwise, and they're often worse than I am.

And...

...You do not get to speak for all women.

To the second part: There's obviously SOME reason that women are much less represented in the hobby than men are. And, based off what you posted, you're probably a man (correct me if I'm wrong) so I'll go ahead and defer to the woman on what the reason might be.

I can certainly agree that there's no universal truth for any group of people-men, women, white, black, old, young-but that doesn't mean there aren't commonalities.

As for the first part... Well, you're just being a jerk. You're in what basically amounts to public space, talking to other people. If you don't care about upsetting others with your words, it might be prudent to not use words at all then.

 JNAProductions wrote:
To the second part: There's obviously SOME reason that women are much less represented in the hobby than men are. And, based off what you posted, you're probably a man (correct me if I'm wrong) so I'll go ahead and defer to the woman on what the reason might be.

This may be very difficult for you to fathom, but let me try and help.

Wargaming simply does not have the same appeal to women and girls that it does to men and boys.

The same reason romantic comedies have fewer men and boys in the theaters. It's just a thing. No one's "pushing them away", in fact it's been quite the opposite and the women that do play games have been playing prior to any of these demands for change.

There's no magical formula here. And the obnoxious losers and creepy weirdos at the table aren't going to get chicks to play with them, no matter what gets posted on social media or what models have boobs.

I don't care if 0 women play, or if the hobby becomes 99% women. The people I want in the hobby are people that enjoy the hobby, their identifiers are absolutely irrelevant to me.

And if I spent all the time worrying about who could get "hurt" by my words, well... it's 2019 and I don't have time for that. If politeness and courtesy isn't enough, they can GTFO and stop expecting to be treated like a special protected class.

Alright, that is fair on the "women in the hobby" part. I will, again, believe the women that part of the reason is crude jokes and whatnot that are common to a lot of people in the hobby, but that does make sense.

But as for not caring... Being nice on a forum is easy. Being polite is easy. Not cracking jokes at other people's expense is easy. And I would not say you've succeeded at those low bars.

 JNAProductions wrote:
But as for not caring... Being nice on a forum is easy. Being polite is easy. Not cracking jokes at other people's expense is easy. And I would not say you've succeeded at those low bars.

You know what's hard?

Trying to understand how "responding with snark when you've been given snark" is somehow making me a bad person.

Unless, of course, I'm held to a different standard than the other human being. I'd like to hear your justification for that.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
But as for not caring... Being nice on a forum is easy. Being polite is easy. Not cracking jokes at other people's expense is easy. And I would not say you've succeeded at those low bars.

You know what's hard?

Trying to understand how "responding with snark when you've been given snark" is somehow making me a bad person.

Unless, of course, I'm held to a different standard than the other human being. But the last I checked, there's no reason to do that unless they have some developmental issue that means they can't help their own responses to others.

So, nice try. I see how you view people like her now.

So you don't see your joke as being even possibly offensive? There's no way in hell you're in the wrong, and you should be more careful with your words?

 JNAProductions wrote:
So you don't see your joke as being even possibly offensive? There's no way in hell you're in the wrong, and you should be more careful with your words?

Universally?

No.

"Offensive" is not an objective thing. No matter how strongly you feel about it.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
So you don't see your joke as being even possibly offensive? There's no way in hell you're in the wrong, and you should be more careful with your words?

Universally?

No.

"Offensive" is not an objective thing. No matter how strongly you feel about it.

Alright, then let me rephrase.

You don't see your joke as being the kind of thing that'd reasonably offend people? Bearing in mind that transitioning is not an easy thing to even get started, and people who do manage to go through with it often face huge amounts of bigotry.

 JNAProductions wrote:
You don't see your joke as being the kind of thing that'd reasonably offend people? Bearing in mind that transitioning is not an easy thing to even get started, and people who do manage to go through with it often face huge amounts of bigotry.

No.

If someone saying "boner" on the internet is dangerous to the transition process, then "The Internet" is probably the last place for that person.

Juvenile? Crude? Lame? Of course.

But no one is harmed. I am of the opinion that someone is just demonstrating attention-seeking behavior, and you're enabling.

I wish them the best during their process, but being upset over the word "boner" like it's damaging them is something I can't take seriously.