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You can't have a metal Sanguinius!
His body is still mostly okay *mostly.

But that's kind of how I imagine it going except Eldar rather than Necrons.
I wouldn't say the BA-Necrons had a previous alliance, it was more of a 'neither of us will shoot each other until these guys are dead'.

I dunno about bringing back Sanguinius....I mean, the Black Rage, the BA and their successors' defining flaw, is all about his anger at his brother as he died. I feel like bringing him back to life would cheapen that. I'd rather have a pimped out Sanguinor and BA commanders as a triumvirate.

Then again, I grumble about bringing primarchs back at all, so GW def won't listen to me

At present, this is little more than conjecture on a hypothesis (Sanguinius being resurrected) and the ensuing discussion of that.

Primarchs are coming back. Not en-masse, but slowly and surely as we have seen. Magnus led the charge, and Guilliman followed suit a few months later. Now, Mortarion is poised to make an appearance next, and beyond that is little more than rumor and speculation, though most people are putting their bets on the Lion as far as I can tell.

That being said, the Blood Angels vampire theme is fairly pronounced and it's obvious where those influences are drawn from, at least classically, paired mostly equally with the angelic/biblical influence. I wouldn't put it past GW to dip into that and bring the Angel back as resurrection is a rather pronounced theme in both spheres of influence.

Also at least two of the major lore characters are distinctly about returning from or staving off what is universally viiewed (at least in the Blood Angels anyway) as a death sentence; the Black Rage. Specifically, Mephiston, who straight up beat the Black Rage and came back from it, and Lemartes, who fell to the rage but is able to, through sheer force of will alone, keep it at bay and not succumb to it completely.

I think having Sanguinius return, to save his gene sons from near-certain annihilation at the hands (claws? talons?) of the Tyranids and the ensuing realization that his progeny have suffered and endured with the flaw born from the gene memory from his death would be an amazing opportunity for fluff and storytelling within the setting of Gathering Storm. Wrestling with his choice to try and save Horus, now seeing how deeply that choice would run and it's effect on what would become of his Legion in the ensuig 10,000 years.

It's a dim hope, I know, thinking Sanguinius would return, but man I would love to see it and read that story. That's for sure.

Thoughts to ponder. Take it easy for now folks.

-Red__Thirst-

 Red__Thirst wrote:
At present, this is little more than conjecture on a hypothesis (Sanguinius being resurrected) and the ensuing discussion of that.

Primarchs are coming back. Not en-masse, but slowly and surely as we have seen. Magnus led the charge, and Guilliman followed suit a few months later. Now, Mortarion is poised to make an appearance next, and beyond that is little more than rumor and speculation, though most people are putting their bets on the Lion as far as I can tell.

That being said, the Blood Angels vampire theme is fairly pronounced and it's obvious where those influences are drawn from, at least classically, paired mostly equally with the angelic/biblical influence. I wouldn't put it past GW to dip into that and bring the Angel back as resurrection is a rather pronounced theme in both spheres of influence.

Also at least two of the major lore characters are distinctly about returning from or staving off what is universally viiewed (at least in the Blood Angels anyway) as a death sentence; the Black Rage. Specifically, Mephiston, who straight up beat the Black Rage and came back from it, and Lemartes, who fell to the rage but is able to, through sheer force of will alone, keep it at bay and not succumb to it completely.

I think having Sanguinius return, to save his gene sons from near-certain annihilation at the hands (claws? talons?) of the Tyranids and the ensuing realization that his progeny have suffered and endured with the flaw born from the gene memory from his death would be an amazing opportunity for fluff and storytelling within the setting of Gathering Storm. Wrestling with his choice to try and save Horus, now seeing how deeply that choice would run and it's effect on what would become of his Legion in the ensuig 10,000 years.

It's a dim hope, I know, thinking Sanguinius would return, but man I would love to see it and read that story. That's for sure.

Thoughts to ponder. Take it easy for now folks.

-Red__Thirst-

That's a good way to put it and if it were told that way, I'd be down. That would be a compelling story. However, I don't think GW would tell it that well.

I really enjoyed the portrayal of Guilliman in Gathering Storm 3, and the internal struggles of coming to grips with what the Imperium has become. I would love to see that explored from other primarch's perspectives personally, be they loyal or traitor.

Give me a good story any day, please.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

The Sanguinor being merged with Sanguinius?
But that would mean non of us could ever use the Sanguinor on the tabletop ag... oh wait a minute... never mind.

The Sanguinor has always been... something I didn't really care for. Astorath too, to a lesser extent, but we already had Lemartes.

Those characters both seem,... tacked on I suppose? I don't know how else to describe it.

It's being the old school Blood Angels player that I am. I just feel like there's character bloat like few other space marine factions.

But, different topic for a different thread.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

I think the Lion is the most likely to come. They're still on the front of the starter box, the Primarch is in a known stasis state similar to what Gulliman was, and Cipher being front and center.

So let's say they slowly bring back the 4 CSM primarchs of the 4 gods and 4 good primarchs. What if they're bringing them back to kill a few of them off? Guilliman avenging his mortal wound from Fulgrim? Russ suplexing Magnus again?

One of the rumors is that one loyalist primarch will turn traitor and one traitor primarch will return to being Loyal.

I'm curious to see if this comes to fruition. Especially if the idea of the four chaos primarchs being represented are aligned with the four major chaos deities (Magnus, Fulgrim, Mortarion, and Angron) comes to be in-game.

Of those options, I doubt any would return to the fold as it were. But, obviously we shall see if the rumor holds any merit. Maybe Magnus? Not sure.

Not knowing which primarchs are coming on the loyalist side of the table, it's anyone's guess on that.

I'm surely interested in seeing whats to come, that's for sure.

Take it easy for now.

-Red__Thirst-

Alpharius/Omegron will return as loyal. It is pretty much explained in the 30K fluf that the Alpha legion only went renegade because Uldrad turned up and told them that if they sided with the emperor then the universe was doomed, but if they pretended to turn traitor then there would be a chance.

Yeah i'm putting my money one Alpha Legion turning loyal if this is true. What worries me is who would turn Traitor. I'd hate for my DA to flip sides.

 master of ordinance wrote:
Alpharius/Omegron will return as loyal. It is pretty much explained in the 30K fluf that the Alpha legion only went renegade because Uldrad turned up and told them that if they sided with the emperor then the universe was doomed, but if they pretended to turn traitor then there would be a chance.

It won't be "Alpharius" but it might be "Alpharius".

(F'n PRAETORIAN OF DORN gak storm fether of a book)

Pretty sure that Omegon was 'always' loyal - at least to The Emperor, if not the Imperium.

Anyway, I'm not sure the whole "One Traitor Turns Loyal, One Loyalist Turns Traitor" rumor anyway.

Where did that one start?

I wanna say I first started seeing it on Spikeybits, BoLS, here or Faeit212.


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Obviously it should be taken with a large grain of salt...maybe the whole shaker.

 Alpharius wrote:
It won't be "Alpharius" but it might be "Alpharius".

(F'n PRAETORIAN OF DORN gak storm fether of a book)

Pretty sure that Omegon was 'always' loyal - at least to The Emperor, if not the Imperium.

Anyway, I'm not sure the whole "One Traitor Turns Loyal, One Loyalist Turns Traitor" rumor anyway.

Where did that one start?

Maybe Alpharius was pretending to be the loyal Omegon this whole time and will reveal himself as a traitor, and Omegon has REALLY been pretending to be the traitorous Alpharius this whole time and reveals himself to be the real Omegon.

I don't put much stock in the primarchs flipping sides rumor personally speaking.

It's a fun idea in conjecture, but in actual practice I can't see it. There are too many people with armies that would suddenly be Chaos or Loyalist where once they were the opposite.

My prediction for loyalist primarchs after Guilliman are the Lion, Dorn, and Russ. Maybe substitute Khan, or Vulkan for Dorn, but I see Dorn coming back in like a golden hurricane.

Of course, I selfishly want to see Sanguinius rise again, but we'll see if GW decides to pull that one off or not once we get more rumors of the BA vs. Tyranids story arc coming soon.

After that, I'm calling Fulgrim being next after Morarion. As educated a guess as I can come up with.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

I'd love to see Vulkan come back and seems logical since he is a perpetual anyway (and likely in one of Trayzn's vaults).

But my bets are for loyals:

Guilliman
Russ
Lion
Sanguinus

Each are from the big four chapters.

Chaos

Magnus
Mortarion
Angron
Fulgrim

Each represents one of the four major chaos factions.

I believe Hastings confirmed Russ and Magnus, Guilliman and Mortarian are going to be made.

That said, I think chaos primarchs make sense but the loyalists should be:

Guilliman
Russ
Vulkan
Lion

Giving the Blood Angels Sanguinus back is just too much. The black rage is at heart due to his demise at the hands of Horus.

I also hope that GW doesn't make them too cartoony.
Some of the newer stuff, the grey knight baby holder thing, wolf riders and dark angel skimmer with the fountain on the back are just too power rangers and not grim dark enough.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
If Horus comes back, I'm quitting 40k altogether. He was obliterated, body and soul, by Big E. I doubt the Chaos gods have any say in bringing him back from the dead.

Bad news, Fabius Bile actually did bring back a Horus, complete with some memory. This was something that happened a few hundred years after the HH though, IIRC.

nareik wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
If Horus comes back, I'm quitting 40k altogether. He was obliterated, body and soul, by Big E. I doubt the Chaos gods have any say in bringing him back from the dead.

Bad news, Fabius Bile actually did bring back a Horus, complete with some memory. This was something that happened a few hundred years after the HH though, IIRC.

Could you imagine peoples reactions if Horus were brought back through this? I hope not but a dark part of me wants this to happen just to see the fall out.

 ILegion wrote:

nareik wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
If Horus comes back, I'm quitting 40k altogether. He was obliterated, body and soul, by Big E. I doubt the Chaos gods have any say in bringing him back from the dead.

Bad news, Fabius Bile actually did bring back a Horus, complete with some memory. This was something that happened a few hundred years after the HH though, IIRC.

Could you imagine peoples reactions if Horus were brought back through this? I hope not but a dark part of me wants this to happen just to see the fall out.

Bringing Horus back would be even worse than bringing back Sanguinus or even Ferrus for that matter. Geez that means they can replicate Dorn from the hand that was left.

Gets me thinking that maybe Guilliman's new crusade with the new super space mahreens will be to find his brothers just like the Emperor went to find his sons. The new super mahreens are happening though I'm pretty sure, with what Hastings said, hints in the book (Guilliman and Cawls secret glances and whisperings and Cawl's departure to Mars) and the March WD article mentioning Cawl's work on Mars for Guillman all the way back to just after the HH.

 ILegion wrote:

nareik wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
If Horus comes back, I'm quitting 40k altogether. He was obliterated, body and soul, by Big E. I doubt the Chaos gods have any say in bringing him back from the dead.

Bad news, Fabius Bile actually did bring back a Horus, complete with some memory. This was something that happened a few hundred years after the HH though, IIRC.

Could you imagine peoples reactions if Horus were brought back through this? I hope not but a dark part of me wants this to happen just to see the fall out.

Its okay, Abaddon did the right thing and re-unalived him. Horus never should have been de-unalived though, which is basically what gw did by having Fabius create an functional clone with memories.

Moving on from that, I agree that Sanguinius is easy to bring back if GW wanted to. He's a Vampire theme Primarch, and everyone knows vampires will re-alive themselves at the most (in)opportune moment. Also, the reasoning for the mechanics of bringing him back in the OP seems sound too. That's 2 mechanics by which he could return.

I've not seen anyone mention the return of Konrad Curze, the Night Lords primarch. Could he return by vampire magic too? What if his death had been faked all along and he has actually been drinking scotch for the past 10k years with Alphogus in the moustache twirling club?

nareik wrote:

 ILegion wrote:

nareik wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
If Horus comes back, I'm quitting 40k altogether. He was obliterated, body and soul, by Big E. I doubt the Chaos gods have any say in bringing him back from the dead.

Bad news, Fabius Bile actually did bring back a Horus, complete with some memory. This was something that happened a few hundred years after the HH though, IIRC.

Could you imagine peoples reactions if Horus were brought back through this? I hope not but a dark part of me wants this to happen just to see the fall out.

Its okay, Abaddon did the right thing and re-unalived him. Horus never should have been de-unalived though, which is basically what gw did by having Fabius create an functional clone with memories.

Moving on from that, I agree that Sanguinius is easy to bring back if GW wanted to. He's a Vampire theme Primarch, and everyone knows vampires will re-alive themselves at the most (in)opportune moment. Also, the reasoning for the mechanics of bringing him back in the OP seems sound too. That's 2 mechanics by which he could return.

I've not seen anyone mention the return of Konrad Curze, the Night Lords primarch. Could he return by vampire magic too? What I his death had been faked all along and he has actually been drinking scotch for the past 10k years with Alphogus in the moustache twirling club?

Haha I mentioned this in either this thread or another one. I mean, the vid link cut out before Curze was actually killed, and he's assumed dead. In the Beast Arises book 12 Vangorich mentions he knows the real story of Curze death (maybe he wasn't actually killed) but never tells the story. He could still be alive doing Curze stuff. Like coming up with a new plan to terrorize The Lion.

Any number of dead primarchs could be brought back in any number of ways depending on how much they (GW) want to contort the fluff to suit the narrative.

All that said, obvious primarchs returning being what they are, I also wanted to cast an eye to the less likely options with this thread. Konrad Kurze could very likely resurface, as has been pointed out. The video cut out before the blow was struck. The possibility exists he faked his death and has been full bore night haunter doing night haunterish things all this time. Nobody would report it, because he likely kills any and all witnesses that see him.

I don't expect to see Horus return, as Abaddon has become the 'big baddie' face of chaos. Whether he remains such, or is cast down eventually by a daemon primarch is anyone's guess. As the clock ticks ever closer to midnight, we'll see where GW goes and how far they take it with the new edition of the game.

I'm genuinely excited to see what comes though, personally speaking here. I hope to see more info soon.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

 Red__Thirst wrote:
Any number of dead primarchs could be brought back in any number of ways depending on how much they (GW) want to contort the fluff to suit the narrative.

All that said, obvious primarchs returning being what they are, I also wanted to cast an eye to the less likely options with this thread. Konrad Kurze could very likely resurface, as has been pointed out. The video cut out before the blow was struck. The possibility exists he faked his death and has been full bore night haunter doing night haunterish things all this time. Nobody would report it, because he likely kills any and all witnesses that see him.

Yes, but didn't the NL trilogy by ADB talk specifically about his execution and Talos hunting down the Callidus who has his head in a to-go bag?

 Flanker wrote:

Yes, but didn't the NL trilogy by ADB talk specifically about his execution and Talos hunting down the Callidus who has his head in a to-go bag?

Not read the book, sadly, so I can't comment on that I'm afraid. If that's the case and it really is Night Haunter's head the Callidus had, then there's one who is likely truly gone along side Horus and Ferrus (Ferrus being at least known to have been killed, etc).

We shall see. I'm just looking forward to seeing Mortarion in all his nurgly glory (gory?) in the near future I hope. I can't wait to see him compared to Magnus, and the effects that each of their respective chaos dieties has had on their physical forms in the sculpting. I love the Tzneetchy influence so obvious on Magnus. I can't wait to see what they've done with 'ol Morty.

Take it easy for now.

-Red__Thirst-

re: Good Primarch turning bad;


I could see Dorn turning rogue, reason being The Beast Arises event

https://spikeybits.com/2017/03/breaking-new-dark-angels-campaign-book-spotted.html


Gonna say the Lion is coming back next.

Makes the most sense since Lion is sleeps in the Rock.

Maybe part 1 features Death Guard/Lion and then part 2 features the other side?

 ILegion wrote:
https://spikeybits.com/2017/03/breaking-new-dark-angels-campaign-book-spotted.html


Gonna say the Lion is coming back next.

Is there a thread here on that basically saying "That's a fake!" ?

No that it wouldn't be The Lion next mind you, just that...that's not it!