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2017/04/17 12:31:17
Subject: Re:Do you wish that GW released models in true scale
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Gavin Thorpe
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morgoth wrote:Maximus Bitch wrote: Nick Ellingworth wrote:Yes
I miss the sense of humour that GW's games had back in that era. A lot of their background material both art and written word has got too serious for it's own good despite the obviously silly nature of the universe.
I actually like true grimdark. Not over the top silly grimdark, but something that's truly and seriously grim and dark. Like when the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union. That Eastern Front Grimdark reflected in 40K is good.
You mean DKOK vs the soviet imperial guard?
No, I'm just referring to how grimdark the Eastern Front was. Not referring to any 40K faction.
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2017/04/17 13:23:27
Subject: Re:Do you wish that GW released models in true scale
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Maximus Bitch wrote:morgoth wrote:Maximus Bitch wrote: Nick Ellingworth wrote:Yes
I miss the sense of humour that GW's games had back in that era. A lot of their background material both art and written word has got too serious for it's own good despite the obviously silly nature of the universe.
I actually like true grimdark. Not over the top silly grimdark, but something that's truly and seriously grim and dark. Like when the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union. That Eastern Front Grimdark reflected in 40K is good.
You mean DKOK vs the soviet imperial guard?
No, I'm just referring to how grimdark the Eastern Front was. Not referring to any 40K faction.
The western front was a lot more grimdark than the eastern one....
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2017/04/17 13:38:01
Subject: Do you wish that GW released models in true scale
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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I like heroic scale - much easier to paint. And yeah, they are toys, not statues.
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2017/04/17 14:09:33
Subject: Re:Do you wish that GW released models in true scale
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Gavin Thorpe
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morgoth wrote:Maximus Bitch wrote:morgoth wrote:Maximus Bitch wrote: Nick Ellingworth wrote:Yes
I miss the sense of humour that GW's games had back in that era. A lot of their background material both art and written word has got too serious for it's own good despite the obviously silly nature of the universe.
I actually like true grimdark. Not over the top silly grimdark, but something that's truly and seriously grim and dark. Like when the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union. That Eastern Front Grimdark reflected in 40K is good.
You mean DKOK vs the soviet imperial guard?
No, I'm just referring to how grimdark the Eastern Front was. Not referring to any 40K faction.
The western front was a lot more grimdark than the eastern one....
This isn't a WW2 forum, but why do you say that? Automatically Appended Next Post: kestral wrote:I like heroic scale - much easier to paint. And yeah, they are toys, not statues.
So do you share Nick Ellingworth's opinions on the artwork?
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2017/04/17 16:18:34
Subject: Do you wish that GW released models in true scale
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Maximus Bitch wrote: Rayvon wrote:I like heroic scale, It does not look like children or dwarfs to me.
Look around at your fellow human beings though.
I'm sure you wouldn't want the artwork (Guardsmen for example) to receive the same treatment.
I dont think I really need to look around at people to test out your theory, I have seen plenty of people and children in my fourty years of life.
Certain heroic scale stuff like the catachans and cadians do look a bit bobble headed, but it never really bothered me, they are models for gaming and painting purposes to me, more fantasy than a realistic representation of actual people.
The Malifaux and prodos stuff is a better scale but I do not like that as much at all.
Art is subjective, there is nothing more or less mature about differing views, plenty of the artwork has all the wrong proportions too !!
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2017/04/17 17:06:37
Subject: Do you wish that GW released models in true scale
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Gavin Thorpe
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Rayvon wrote:Maximus Bitch wrote: Rayvon wrote:I like heroic scale, It does not look like children or dwarfs to me.
Look around at your fellow human beings though.
I'm sure you wouldn't want the artwork (Guardsmen for example) to receive the same treatment.
Certain heroic scale stuff like the catachans and cadians do look a bit bobble headed, but it never really bothered me, they are models for gaming and painting purposes to me, more fantasy than a realistic representation of actual people.
Art is subjective, there is nothing more or less mature about differing views, plenty of the artwork has all the wrong proportions too !!
I never intended to discuss maturity. that's morgoth.
Yes, art is subjective, the bad proportions are mainly from SM, those pinheaded, elephant-legged, short-torsoed, high-shouldered freaks. But quite different from the minis.
And the question is how you'd feel if 40K artwork were drawn with the same proportions as the minis.
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2017/04/17 17:42:00
Subject: Do you wish that GW released models in true scale
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Maximus Bitch wrote:Herzlos wrote:I don't mind the cartoony look and chunky scale - it's probably why it appealed so much when I was 15.
The things I could never get my head around, though, were how I've got guardsmen in boots/trousers that are as tall as a superhuman soldier in an exosuit. And how in the books you can conquer a planet with just 5 Astartes, but in game 5 Astartes are pretty useless.
Neither spoil the game or fluff for me, I know they kind of painted themselves into a hole in it. I just find it a bit odd.
Interesting. I thought 15 was the age at which kids started turning away from the kiddie stuff and gravitated towards mature stuff. Some already at 14.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Yeah right.
Are you trolling or just being obnoxious on purpose?
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2017/04/17 17:55:58
Subject: Do you wish that GW released models in true scale
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Gavin Thorpe
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morgoth wrote:Maximus Bitch wrote:Herzlos wrote:I don't mind the cartoony look and chunky scale - it's probably why it appealed so much when I was 15.
The things I could never get my head around, though, were how I've got guardsmen in boots/trousers that are as tall as a superhuman soldier in an exosuit. And how in the books you can conquer a planet with just 5 Astartes, but in game 5 Astartes are pretty useless.
Neither spoil the game or fluff for me, I know they kind of painted themselves into a hole in it. I just find it a bit odd.
Interesting. I thought 15 was the age at which kids started turning away from the kiddie stuff and gravitated towards mature stuff. Some already at 14.
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Yeah right.
Are you trolling or just being obnoxious on purpose?
I meant that your comments might have unintentionally misled others.
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2017/04/17 18:18:53
Subject: Do you wish that GW released models in true scale
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Fixture of Dakka
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Maximus Bitch wrote:Herzlos wrote:I don't mind the cartoony look and chunky scale - it's probably why it appealed so much when I was 15.
The things I could never get my head around, though, were how I've got guardsmen in boots/trousers that are as tall as a superhuman soldier in an exosuit. And how in the books you can conquer a planet with just 5 Astartes, but in game 5 Astartes are pretty useless.
Neither spoil the game or fluff for me, I know they kind of painted themselves into a hole in it. I just find it a bit odd.
Interesting. I thought 15 was the age at which kids started turning away from the kiddie stuff and gravitated towards mature stuff. Some already at 14.
You see, it is statements like this that make people think that a, you're trolling; and b, you don't understand the concept of "critique".
That line is an implicit insult to Herzlos, insinuating that because he like the look of Heroic scale figures at 15 that he was less mature than expected for his age - going by your scale of expectations.
I'm not sure if this is because English might not be your first language - I see a Singapore flag for your location. I can see why this posting style may mean people don't wish to discuss this issue with you - but in spite of you, instead.
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2017/04/17 18:24:35
Subject: Do you wish that GW released models in true scale
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Gavin Thorpe
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Dysartes wrote:Maximus Bitch wrote:Herzlos wrote:I don't mind the cartoony look and chunky scale - it's probably why it appealed so much when I was 15.
The things I could never get my head around, though, were how I've got guardsmen in boots/trousers that are as tall as a superhuman soldier in an exosuit. And how in the books you can conquer a planet with just 5 Astartes, but in game 5 Astartes are pretty useless.
Neither spoil the game or fluff for me, I know they kind of painted themselves into a hole in it. I just find it a bit odd.
Interesting. I thought 15 was the age at which kids started turning away from the kiddie stuff and gravitated towards mature stuff. Some already at 14.
You see, it is statements like this that make people think that a, you're trolling; and b, you don't understand the concept of "critique".
That line is an implicit insult to Herzlos, insinuating that because he like the look of Heroic scale figures at 15 that he was less mature than expected for his age - going by your scale of expectations.
the critique part is a different issue.
I'm not saying that people who like the minis are immature.If Herzlos had said he was 12 when he started 40K then it wouldn't have remarked that. Was not meant to be an insult.
And if Herzlos was 12 when he started, I wouldn't say, oh, Herzlos is 30 and he's still playing with boy dolls, immature! Also, its ok, I've replied to morgoth.
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2017/04/18 04:15:55
Subject: Re:Do you wish that GW released models in true scale
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
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MechaEmperor7000 wrote: Formerly Wu wrote:
Those Malifaux models are also horribly out of scale, but in the other direction. Good luck finding someone who looks like that outside of an anime series.
...I actually know someone who looks like those anime figurines. She is hauntingly beautiful, but also kinda creepy at times when she's wearing tight clothes.
Doesn't help that she's obsessed with gore and likes Slaanesh.
Also I believe the old Inquisitor was relatively truescale? I think truescale works for that much better since you had a minimal amount of models to fiddle around with. 40k with it's scale is already having problems with any tanks larger than a land raider and monsters are getting to absurd sizes (remember how tiny the old BT was? I wish they'd go back to that scale, even if it's goofy).
That's funny, I knew a girl who looked like an anime character when she was a teenager, only thing I knew about her likes and dislikes is she HATED the anime/manga club.
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