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Over GW doing something right...this is a bit deeper and a few things to mention over that.

1 GW is finally doing "deals" again, or I should say discounts...are these discounts the same as when BA was running it...no, but they are "decent" deals. These deals give off the illusion that suddenly GW has accepted the errors of their ways, in reality what they have done is semi rolled back certain prices to some years ago, ie we are paying prices similar to 2nd-4th ed but ONLY in specific "discount" boxes. Ie the troop/transport boxes, the xmas army deals, the start collecting...the rest are still the same old GW pricing.

This is appealing to newer players and some vets wanting to start new armies or build up/fill out some units at a better price. Now if they started doing things like "buy 40k starter set and a codex and get a troop box free" would be closer to pre Tom Kirby.

2 The other doing something right is a bit deeper than just pricing and deals, it also has to be pointed out this was during ALL of 7th, not 8th..."new gw" is actually really the last 2 years. During 7th GW has brought back a number of armies who have not technically been seen ( and in some cases were more character selections or background story fluff that have turned into armies of their own ) since rogue trader. This mainly being Genestealer cults, Harlequins, Adeptus mechanicus and so on...yes they may have had questionable get you by rules for editions after this but they are mainly RT armies and have not been done in that way since. I realize Harlequins sorta came as a choice before but they were much smaller in selection vs what they had in RT which is similar to now. With AM they were mostly along the lines of techmarines or techpriests and that was it vs what came out for 7th. Knights may have come out in 6th but they too are mainly from RT/original Epic/AT days.

So what we essentially have here with all this is nostalgia for those of us who remember all that and who have been enticed by it, and the hype of that nostalgia with newcomers who want it now also or who simply think it's cool.

3 Side games/board games....which again is mostly from the RT era. The majority of GW personal IP side games and board games were during RT. Obviously long before this GW sold board games ( how they actually started ) and rpg's but that's not relevant and has not been since they became an IP miniature company which was BA not TK. It was during RT days that games like space hulk, epic ( with it's various names ), blood bowl 2nd ed, Advanced HQ and so on came out, when GW killed specialist games ( which was just re releases/new editions of the RT days and some new ones ) they probably saw that other game makers were latching onto some of those types of games, and with enough interest decided within the last 2 years or so to bring back SG type titles...this sorta happened anyway with Space Hulk 3rd/4th and Dreadfleet just they were sorta marketed as limited edition special games but technically still just SG titles.

Hell to ride that nostalgia train even more they even re released RT in hardback at WW and have reprinted some of the ROC content and others in a few recent collection type books, even the made to order stuff.

So new GW is actually from 7th era and has nothing to do with 8th, it has everything to do with internal GW choices, and it remains to b seen what will happen with AOS40k.

I'm skeptical on 8ths reception, a lot has been taken out, but a lot has been made simple.

 Backspacehacker wrote:

This hit the nail right on the head.

The game is not going to die, but they are just going to drive out their original customers, which is kinda sad. I mean im still gonna play 8th, rules i dont have an issue with really, but the story for 8th thus far is really hamfisted into the setting, and only exists to move more models, which is a really bad stratagy for the long term fans. I have just kinda accepted im not the target audience anymore for the game. So i have kinda turned my attention to just bigger large scale projects.

I'm one of those people Elbows was talking about - someone who has been playing off and on since 2nd but pretty much left some time ago and is just coming back due to recent developments. I agree that their narrative work is hamfisted, cliched and thoughtless, but then again it has been for quite some time. All of the people who basically plagiarized the setting from a variety of their own favorite fictional works are long gone. Besides, nothing can really get worse than Our Spiritual Liege, Matt Ward, writing about Sisters of Battle being used as armor paint or how the Ultramarines are the most bestest and awesomest ever.

 Luciferian wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

This hit the nail right on the head.

The game is not going to die, but they are just going to drive out their original customers, which is kinda sad. I mean im still gonna play 8th, rules i dont have an issue with really, but the story for 8th thus far is really hamfisted into the setting, and only exists to move more models, which is a really bad stratagy for the long term fans. I have just kinda accepted im not the target audience anymore for the game. So i have kinda turned my attention to just bigger large scale projects.

I'm one of those people Elbows was talking about - someone who has been playing off and on since 2nd but pretty much left some time ago and is just coming back due to recent developments. I agree that their narrative work is hamfisted, cliched and thoughtless, but then again it has been for quite some time. All of the people who basically plagiarized the setting from a variety of their own favorite fictional works are long gone. Besides, nothing can really get worse than Our Spiritual Liege, Matt Ward, writing about Sisters of Battle being used as armor paint or how the Ultramarines are the most bestest and awesomest ever.

Well he is back working for GW so I have a very sneaking suspicion that he is responsible for numarines and girly man hand waving most of Cael's works as being totally fine and not against the rules.

But like I said, lore is not looking good, rules are, I'm just focusing on things that will never change. Things like terrain and Titans, because no matter how super duper your marines become still can take a laser blaster to the face or a good old crunch.

 Luciferian wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

This hit the nail right on the head.

The game is not going to die, but they are just going to drive out their original customers, which is kinda sad. I mean im still gonna play 8th, rules i dont have an issue with really, but the story for 8th thus far is really hamfisted into the setting, and only exists to move more models, which is a really bad stratagy for the long term fans. I have just kinda accepted im not the target audience anymore for the game. So i have kinda turned my attention to just bigger large scale projects.

I'm one of those people Elbows was talking about - someone who has been playing off and on since 2nd but pretty much left some time ago and is just coming back due to recent developments. I agree that their narrative work is hamfisted, cliched and thoughtless, but then again it has been for quite some time. All of the people who basically plagiarized the setting from a variety of their own favorite fictional works are long gone. Besides, nothing can really get worse than Our Spiritual Liege, Matt Ward, writing about Sisters of Battle being used as armor paint or how the Ultramarines are the most bestest and awesomest ever.

I dunno about other people but I always found "Ultramarines are the best" less offensive than I should have, simply because I imagine the 5th ed Codex being written by the Ultramarines themselves. They are the most political of the Chapters after all, and considered the paragons of Marine orthodoxy despite maintaining close ties with their successors like they're a de facto Legion, allying with Xenos on multiple occasions for assorted purposes (teaming up with Iyanden to stop the Tyranids), maintaining a separate non-Marine army (the Ultramar Defense Force) which exports entire regiments to the Guard, or the fact their Chapter Master is dual-wielding Power Fists that were looted from a Chaos Champion.

There's plenty of potential for cracks to emerge in their shining armor, so anything about them being the best is really overzealous editing to convince others (or themselves) otherwise.
On another note, Slaaneshi Gulliman would be an interesting twist.

 MagicJuggler wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

This hit the nail right on the head.

The game is not going to die, but they are just going to drive out their original customers, which is kinda sad. I mean im still gonna play 8th, rules i dont have an issue with really, but the story for 8th thus far is really hamfisted into the setting, and only exists to move more models, which is a really bad stratagy for the long term fans. I have just kinda accepted im not the target audience anymore for the game. So i have kinda turned my attention to just bigger large scale projects.

I'm one of those people Elbows was talking about - someone who has been playing off and on since 2nd but pretty much left some time ago and is just coming back due to recent developments. I agree that their narrative work is hamfisted, cliched and thoughtless, but then again it has been for quite some time. All of the people who basically plagiarized the setting from a variety of their own favorite fictional works are long gone. Besides, nothing can really get worse than Our Spiritual Liege, Matt Ward, writing about Sisters of Battle being used as armor paint or how the Ultramarines are the most bestest and awesomest ever.

I dunno about other people but I always found "Ultramarines are the best" less offensive than I should have, simply because I imagine the 5th ed Codex being written by the Ultramarines themselves. They are the most political of the Chapters after all, and considered the paragons of Marine orthodoxy despite maintaining close ties with their successors like they're a de facto Legion, allying with Xenos on multiple occasions for assorted purposes (teaming up with Iyanden to stop the Tyranids), maintaining a separate non-Marine army (the Ultramar Defense Force) which exports entire regiments to the Guard, or the fact their Chapter Master is dual-wielding Power Fists that were looted from a Chaos Champion.

There's plenty of potential for cracks to emerge in their shining armor, so anything about them being the best is really overzealous editing to convince others (or themselves) otherwise.
On another note, Slaaneshi Gulliman would be an interesting twist.

Just a tidbit, they didn't team up with Iyanden vs Kraken, Kraken happened to attack both at the same time. If either had fallen, the other tendril would have been able to go and devour the other force with ease. It was a conveniant alliance that neither knew existed.

 MattKing wrote:
With so many people pissed about eighth (I personally am exceeding excited) I've started to wonder how long we have left. It's great the game has lasted 30 years, but nothing lasts forever.
16th edition? 20th? Dead at 9th? How long do you think we have left?

About 4 weeks.

Burn all your stuff. Or send it to me. I'll burn it for you.

 Deadshot wrote:

 MagicJuggler wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

This hit the nail right on the head.

The game is not going to die, but they are just going to drive out their original customers, which is kinda sad. I mean im still gonna play 8th, rules i dont have an issue with really, but the story for 8th thus far is really hamfisted into the setting, and only exists to move more models, which is a really bad stratagy for the long term fans. I have just kinda accepted im not the target audience anymore for the game. So i have kinda turned my attention to just bigger large scale projects.

I'm one of those people Elbows was talking about - someone who has been playing off and on since 2nd but pretty much left some time ago and is just coming back due to recent developments. I agree that their narrative work is hamfisted, cliched and thoughtless, but then again it has been for quite some time. All of the people who basically plagiarized the setting from a variety of their own favorite fictional works are long gone. Besides, nothing can really get worse than Our Spiritual Liege, Matt Ward, writing about Sisters of Battle being used as armor paint or how the Ultramarines are the most bestest and awesomest ever.

I dunno about other people but I always found "Ultramarines are the best" less offensive than I should have, simply because I imagine the 5th ed Codex being written by the Ultramarines themselves. They are the most political of the Chapters after all, and considered the paragons of Marine orthodoxy despite maintaining close ties with their successors like they're a de facto Legion, allying with Xenos on multiple occasions for assorted purposes (teaming up with Iyanden to stop the Tyranids), maintaining a separate non-Marine army (the Ultramar Defense Force) which exports entire regiments to the Guard, or the fact their Chapter Master is dual-wielding Power Fists that were looted from a Chaos Champion.

There's plenty of potential for cracks to emerge in their shining armor, so anything about them being the best is really overzealous editing to convince others (or themselves) otherwise.
On another note, Slaaneshi Gulliman would be an interesting twist.

Just a tidbit, they didn't team up with Iyanden vs Kraken, Kraken happened to attack both at the same time. If either had fallen, the other tendril would have been able to go and devour the other force with ease. It was a conveniant alliance that neither knew existed.

Or was it?

Cheekiness aside, most the Eldar/human teamups are holdovers from 2nd it appears. If that's the case, it's probably less of a stretch than the longer-term alliance between Biel-Tan and Tallarn, among other cases.

 Deadshot wrote:

 MattKing wrote:
With so many people pissed about eighth (I personally am exceeding excited) I've started to wonder how long we have left. It's great the game has lasted 30 years, but nothing lasts forever.
16th edition? 20th? Dead at 9th? How long do you think we have left?

People have been pissed about the New Edition, whichever edition that was, for the last 10 years

More than that. People complained when they introduced army lists to 1st edition in 1989. The howls of horror when 3rd edition came out and did away with the Move stat and armour save mods in favour of AP were huge, too.

I see it hopefully becoming more popular again. 7th edition really seems to be the low point. You have people like me who are definitely not fans of AoS yet are looking forward to 8th edition. There really is hardly anywhere to go, rules-wise, but up from where GW drove 40k these last years. At this point I'll take playable as an acceptable measure of success and be happy with it. If 40k was my only or primary game maybe I'd care more, but it's not and I don't.

 MattKing wrote:
With so many people pissed about eighth (I personally am exceeding excited) I've started to wonder how long we have left. It's great the game has lasted 30 years, but nothing lasts forever.
16th edition? 20th? Dead at 9th? How long do you think we have left?

I've really only seen majority positive feedback so far...

Gamers will always be pissed about some aspect of a new edition. Frankly if 8th remained in the 3rd-7th system of armor thresholds I probably would have just stopped playing all together.

How much time does 40k have?
As long as someone is willing to produce rules GW or fan-supported.
Potentially forever.
I have rarely seen a hobby item die-off completely as long as there are people who like it.