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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Bookwrack wrote:
Along with Hybrid's post, this, and having opponents give uncomfortably graphic descriptions of what casualties to my Soritas squads entail. Have had it happen separately over the years from a Dark Eldar player, a Space Marine player and one fielding Tyranids, I'm pretty sure marine opponents didn't get to hear that.

I only remember one specific time. It may have happened a few more time before but I didn't notice it that much at the time I guess…

My FLGS has some very nice squat armies on display . The hate on squat is a bit silly…


It's not the Squats themselves that I find disagreeable. It's any form of false nostalgia.

When me and Big Si reminisce about say, He-Man, or the death of Optimus Prime in Transformers The Movie, it's because those were truly formative things in our mutual childhoods. When some young buck who only saw the film around the age of 15 starts going on and on and on and on and on about it, it feels like they're intruding.

People who decry Pulp, one of my favourite bands, when they've only heard the singles taken from Different Class, never having bothered exploring the rest of the back catalogue. They're saying it because they think it's controversial. When I say I can't stand Oasis because they're awful, it's because I was there. That was my era, and if I showed my Shine compilation collection, I can demonstrate Oasis were pretty awful compared to their contemporaries.

Petty, perhaps. But when it comes to 40k, I find youngsters praising Squats, Slaan and Malal don't actually have a valid frame of reference. They've never played the armies or the edition. They've just found something online to go on about.

   
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Huh.

I just find the ideas that you can't like something that existed before you were born, or that if you do, it's "false nostalgia" to be silly. People like things! And nostalgia is just a feeling for experiencing something in a time and place. Whether you experienced it when it was new to the world, or new to only you, doesn't make it false.

I mean, I love screwball comedies from the 30's. William Powell and Carole Lombard are two of my favorite actors. I wasn't even born until 50 years after most of those movies were made. Does that mean i don't deserve to actually like them?

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 amazingturtles wrote:
Huh.

I just find the ideas that you can't like something that existed before you were born, or that if you do, it's "false nostalgia" to be silly. People like things! And nostalgia is just a feeling for experiencing something in a time and place. Whether you experienced it when it was new to the world, or new to only you, doesn't make it false.

I mean, I love screwball comedies from the 30's. William Powell and Carole Lombard are two of my favorite actors. I wasn't even born until 50 years after most of those movies were made. Does that mean i don't deserve to actually like them?


No, you don't. You should be ashamed. And if you get offended by a random stranger going out their way to insult you over something ludicrously trivial, that just proves you can't handle the truth, and you're just not edgy enough for the internet.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
When me and Big Si reminisce about say, He-Man, or the death of Optimus Prime in Transformers The Movie, it's because those were truly formative things in our mutual childhoods.

Up to here I think I understand.
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
When some young buck who only saw the film around the age of 15 starts going on and on and on and on and on about it, it feels like they're intruding.

There I don't get it anymore. Intruding? Into your shared appreciation for mass-market pop culture products? Why would you care about it? I mean if they like it then good for them.
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Petty, perhaps. But when it comes to 40k, I find youngsters praising Squats, Slaan and Malal don't actually have a valid frame of reference. They've never played the armies or the edition. They've just found something online to go on about.

Well, educate them then. Dust off your old books, and set up an "oldies night" where you show the youngsters how it was done back in the days. Should be fun for everybody no?
   
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But it's not the same thing.

Gaming wise, Space Marine will always have a special place in my heart, because it was my first proper game, one where I scrimped and saved to add bits and bobs here and there.

That's not an experience I feel is shareable, because it's such a personal thing.

Doesn't mean newcomers can discover and enjoy it, just that they can't possibly have the same experience I did.

To flip back to Transformers the Movie. Newcomers seem to praise it for its cheesiness, and it's true status as a glorified toy advert.

But to me, it was somewhat traumatising. Optimus Prime, a key player in my learning what a hero was dies. He dies, man. And then he turns black and white. I must've been six or seven when I saw that. It was my first brush with mortality, and certainly the first time I'd seen a Good Guy actually lose. To some, the soundtrack is a good example of 80's Power Ballad Poodle Rock. To me, it's more than that. Dare and The Touch remain to this day amongst my go-to pick me up songs. They genuinely inspire me to push on and Get Stuff Done.

Squats, Malal, Slaan? All gone before my time for the most part. Certainly never faced them on the field of battle. And that's an important part of the Hobby experience. Newcomers that go on about Squats are simply apeing the passion of those who still have their force bought in the early 90's.

It's purely a personal thing, but I consider that rude.

   
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I got one that's less insulting of the speaker's intelligence, so much as it is just a hilariously dumb thing.

Years ago we had a narrative campaign at our local store. A system had emerged from behind a warp storm and everybody was out to claim something or other there. We ran missions against each other and got points to upgrade our commanders. You could earn points by posting between-action fanfic style blurbs on the store's Facebook. It was generally very fun (I made an unbound space marines force to count as Deathwatch which I regretted the whole way through because they were each very distinct and I had to come up with increasingly outlandish excuses of how they survived each resounding defeat.

But one of our players didn't have internet, and so he trusted his friend, who liked to write, to do his blurbs for him. Problem is... his friend was a Grey Knights player, who on some level really didn't seem to understand the appeal guard players see in that army; he wrote that they were a regiment of perpetuals, that they had been engineered there by a renegade inquisitor (which,
to be fair, was who my inquisitor was chasing after) and therefore: none of the line infantry actually died. The guard player was generally patient about it, they're friends and it was all in good fun anyway, but one day he stormed into the store, completely indignant and said:

"Did he tell you what his plan was?! He wants to send my entire regiment to Grey Knight World!"

It immediately conjured images of a giant amusement park with rides and rollercoasters and grey knights lined up for cotton candy.

   
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 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

As I said before - who are you to judge others?

Has it escaped your attention that the whole purpose of this thread is to judge others?
   
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I'm going to chime in here with something I will never forget. While it wasn't said to me by a gamer it's no less the most hilarious thing that has ever been said to me.

I was travelling (flying) on business and had a rather elaborate Fluke process meter (very similar to a multimeter) in my carry-on luggage.

TSA Agent: "Who's bad is this?"
Me: "That would be mine."
TSA Agent: "I need to have a look inside your bag, sir."
<TSA Agent opens bag>
TSA Agent: "Wow, your meter is way bigger than my meter."
   
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 Frazzled wrote:
Him:"Thats not a GW mini"
Me: "Thats a Rogue Trader Dreadnought. You may not recognize it because its as old as your dad."


Yeah, an increasingly common occurrence I find.

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
"But your Sisters of Battle can't be black, because Sisters have to be pure.'

also

"Man, I really raped your Sisters last time."



The second one... actually sounds like something I would say. Tongue in cheek, but still. Or I'd find a way of working your mum in there.

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 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
Ooo, internet tough guys gatekeeping their toy soldiers--love it!


Faux nostalgia is not the same as liking something that isn't around any more. There's my playlist on my Mp3 player, which is composed primarily of music that is either older than me or came out during a time when I was still in diapers. "I like older music" and "Guys do you remember Three Dog Night? I wish they were still around!" are two different statements. I don't pretend to be around when Three Dog Night was a thing, or act as though I remember the 1970's or have ever listened to anything other than a local emergency broadcast on AM Radio.


I don't think you are making a very good case for your argument here. Liking something from the past doesn't necessarily translate to "faux nostalgia" if a person becomes passionate about that thing in question. And that is the problem. You don't know exactly why someone likes what they like, you just size them up based on age and arbitrarily determine if they are "allowed" to enjoy something. That is silly.

The person in your hypothetical who wishes Three Dog Night were still around is trading on faux nostalgia? How? Maybe they just wish they could see a band they like in concert. I feel that way about Queen. Never got a chance to see them, but I love their music. That doesn't make me wish I could go back to the 70's, or that I am pretending that my liking Queen gives me insight into what living in that era was like. If given a chance I'd happily attend a Queen concert because Queen was a kickass band but since the lead singer is dead so that won't be happening. Gee, am I stealing nostalgia like others apparently steal valor?


 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Also, I'm not sure you know what 'gatekeeping' or 'internet tough guys' are. If my opinion of someone is what 'gatekeeps' them out of the community, then that's one less unhinged crybaby scumming up the local FLGS. Someone's opinion of me isn't nearly enough to keep me from enjoying what I like. But then again, I wasn't raised to be a crybaby outrage fetishist.


When you take it upon yourself to determine whether someone has the legitimacy to like something in the hobby you are gatekeeping. Your general tone in posting, not just in this thread but others I've seen here and in OT present as someone who is trying really, really hard to come off as a bad ass. I stand by original statement.
   
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The other trouble is nostalgia seems to 'ironic' these days.

They don't like it because it's cool or something they love. They like it just because it's old.

   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
But it's not the same thing.

Gaming wise, Space Marine will always have a special place in my heart, because it was my first proper game, one where I scrimped and saved to add bits and bobs here and there.

That's not an experience I feel is shareable, because it's such a personal thing.

Doesn't mean newcomers can discover and enjoy it, just that they can't possibly have the same experience I did.

To flip back to Transformers the Movie. Newcomers seem to praise it for its cheesiness, and it's true status as a glorified toy advert.

But to me, it was somewhat traumatising. Optimus Prime, a key player in my learning what a hero was dies. He dies, man. And then he turns black and white. I must've been six or seven when I saw that. It was my first brush with mortality, and certainly the first time I'd seen a Good Guy actually lose.

Okay, I understand how it is different experiences. I don't understand why their experience is somehow bad or ridiculous though. You like this for one reason and they like it for another reason? Yeah, okay, great. That doesn't mean they are rude if they talk about why they liked it, and what their experience was, does it?
Personally I think that the movie that gave me the biggest traumatic experience was “The coast guard”. It was the first of many Korea movies with extreme psychological violence that I saw. It was something really huge for me at the time. But really, there is maybe like 10 people who viewed that movie as their first “violent” Korean movie (I had seen Two Sisters before but it was just not the same thing…). Do you think I should not talk about it with anyone ever, because I'm basically never going to find someone who had the same experience as me viewing it? Meh.

Niiru wrote:
The second one... actually sounds like something I would say. Tongue in cheek, but still. Or I'd find a way of working your mum in there.

With your friend, that you know very well, in private? Sure, go ahead. To a stranger, that you literally only saw once before, in a public place? Don't. Just don't. You don't know them (by definition), and you don't know if they have an history of sexual abuse so just refrain.

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Every ork player save for one that I've ever heard cry "Waaaaaugh" has either been squeaky, had their voice break, or has otherwise for some reason or another has come across sounding vastly less intimidating than they wish they were.

I don't know if that counts, but it always cracks me up when it happens.

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 daedalus wrote:
Every ork player save for one that I've ever heard cry "Waaaaaugh" has either been squeaky, had their voice break, or has otherwise for some reason or another has come across sounding vastly less intimidating than they wish they were.


You don't game with many drinkers. Usually, on 'boozehammer' nights, someone's going "Waaaaaugh" into a bucket or the bushes. It's pretty accurate.

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
When you take it upon yourself to determine whether someone has the legitimacy to like something in the hobby you are gatekeeping. Your general tone in posting, not just in this thread but others I've seen here and in OT present as someone who is trying really, really hard to come off as a bad ass. I stand by original statement.


I've never said someone can or can't like something. I said there's a difference in someone pretending to be a veteran and experience something, and someone liking something old or before their time.

And apparently you and I have very different standards for what makes a 'bad ass'. I'm a pretty moderate person, I just have zero qualms about handing the comments right back to someone. I don't care whose feelings it hurts. If you dish it out, learn to take it or zip your lips.

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 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
 daedalus wrote:
Every ork player save for one that I've ever heard cry "Waaaaaugh" has either been squeaky, had their voice break, or has otherwise for some reason or another has come across sounding vastly less intimidating than they wish they were.


You don't game with many drinkers. Usually, on 'boozehammer' nights, someone's going "Waaaaaugh" into a bucket or the bushes. It's pretty accurate.



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HuskyWarhammer wrote:
Thank god my Beerhammer friends play SM or Tau.


Lucky you, you get angry yelling drunk and the drunk that's trying to convince you he's got the best plan.

Now, when you get the Dark Eldar guy, I want to hear all about it...

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You can't be nostalgic for something you never experienced, by definition it's a longing to return to a former time in your life, not someone else's that you never experienced, though you can appreciate aspects of things of the past you will almost always be relying upon the received opinion of others viewed through rose tinted glasses and not personal experience.

It's stereotypical of hipsterism to claim to like things just by virtue of them being quirky and old, or to just be ironic and contrary for the sake of it, rather than having experienced it in its original historical/cultural context which generates genuine nostalgia.

So I agree with Mad Doc to an extent, I can't speak for individuals motives but sometimes 'false nostalgia' is a thing when young people talk about how great squats or cassette tapes and other vintage objects are.
   
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I'm somewhat ambivalent about the whole "oldhammer" thing. I admit, there's plenty of models I liked back then that I still like, and plenty more that I didn't like at the time but that have grown on me (Delaque gangers, the old late 1st edition World Eaters, etc), but there's plenty of things I wasn't keen on back then, and they still suck now. - pretty much any Space Marine before the Strike Force box set introduced mark 7 armour, for example.

Oh, and Oasis are boring, but I can't comment on Pulp, as I only know the famous ones (which I'm not keen on either, as it happens).
   
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I was showing off a unit of the Protos Boob Marines on a 40k page ans this chick breaks in to how the models are disrespectful to all women everywhere and wanted.me off the page.
   
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Well that wasn't stupid.

"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1 
   
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Sitting with a buddy talking...a young man approached me and said "who wears a hat that says genius?" At first I was really confused, took of my hat to look and had to explain it was a Guinness beer hat to the young man. After he walked away my buddy and I laughed.
   
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beowulfhunter wrote:
I was showing off a unit of the Protos Boob Marines on a 40k page ans this chick breaks in to how the models are disrespectful to all women everywhere and wanted.me off the page.


Word of advice, stay away from those 40k pages on Facebook. Especially the one that claims it's 'for Grown-Ups'. That page is teeming with unhinged loons, screeching and reacting to everything in the most absurd way- they've asked for people who play German armies in Bolt Action to be banned (and those folks aren't showing off Swastikas or their models), they've banned people for something as simple as saying you don't like the idea of Female Astartes, or even telling someone politely to use thinner coats of paint or otherwise giving them critique that isn't an ass-pat and a 'good job'.

And kinda for the record, it's an unwise move to show off those 'boob' models. I'm not a fan, nor am I morally opposed to them- but showing that off in a group full of people who probably don't even play the game and are just there to piss and moan is asking for trouble. Sure, their irrational and childish reaction to it can be funny, but with a model as blatant as the Prodos models- you're just kicking the hornet's nest- even if, yes, that chick has no rationale to say it's 'disrespectful to women everywhere', because she isn't elected to dictate how other women feel about the model.

There's "I like this and I think it's cool", and there's blatant "bait and tackle".

Don't play roulette with people who'll get you banned from your facebook for 30 days. They'll spam-report you and there's very little you can do at that point. Facebook doesn't even have an 'appeal' process, and their algorithm is absurd. I should know, I've gotten a 30-day ban not long ago. Moral of the story? Just say "Transmission" when you're talking about a transmission. Even on a page talking about used trucks. Even if you have pictures of a transmission. Just type the whole word.

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This is all a bit "people aren't allowed to like what I don't want them to like, according to my set of arbitrary rules I just made up"

So, add some of the posts in here to dumb things people say about gaming.
   
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 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
beowulfhunter wrote:
I was showing off a unit of the Protos Boob Marines on a 40k page ans this chick breaks in to how the models are disrespectful to all women everywhere and wanted.me off the page.


Word of advice, stay away from those 40k pages on Facebook.


QFT. This has happened to a number of friends of mine. Facebook is not kind to gamers.

   
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beowulfhunter wrote:
I was showing off a unit of the Protos Boob Marines on a 40k page ans this chick breaks in to how the models are disrespectful to all women everywhere and wanted.me off the page.


The fact that you call them 'boob' marines isn't helping your case here.

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Probably I think a couple of months ago, I put a ban on laptops and tablets and such at the table when I we're all playing an RPG because of people getting distracted, playing Mount and Blade being the straw that broke the camel's back, I toldthe main two guys this personally. The gentleman who was playing Mount and Blade said to me"I only use it at the table because I don't have good net at my house." I stood firm on my point and was told "I won't be punished for what [other person's name here] is doing." assuming that I was upset at the guy looking up stuff on random forums or whatever. After about, probably 10 minutes of arguing, he threatened to quit, I told him to feel free, and he showed up, next session without his laptop.

This is the same guy who never brought his own dice with him, in three years of playing games with him, he always borrows dice, or has another guy bring his own dice. I have no idea, he's like 25, and worst thing about the guy seems to be ADD, he always has a backpack with him, I don't know how, in three years, he could never manage to bring his own dice. And he never has owned a book because he 'doesn't have a job' yet has bought every FFG Star Wars RPG book, and a lot of food. Apparently those don't cost money. I don't get it.


 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
. Moral of the story? Just say "Transmission" when you're talking about a transmission. Even on a page talking about used trucks. Even if you have pictures of a transmission. Just type the whole word.

I got yelled at once for not using the term 'transmission' once when talking to my friend about an issue with my car and used the phrase 'I've got a bad "Transmission" what should I do about it?'

0/10 do not recommend.

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 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
This is all a bit "people aren't allowed to like what I don't want them to like, according to my set of arbitrary rules I just made up"

So, add some of the posts in here to dumb things people say about gaming.


I mean, if that's what you read- it's not what was said. It's been clarified over and over again, but you're insisting on being offended so you might as well be.

So can we put your signature, or would you prefer your initials?

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