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In your tournament, did you deal with any tough eldar lists? Such as lists with a lot of dark reapers or alaitoc flyers rendering the PBC useless. On paper I consider eldar one of mono-DG's toughest matchups (with the new plasma spam dark angels a close second)

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broxus wrote:
I kept the plate on the DP also (it is just to good not to).

I played my list pretty straight forward. I screened my big stuff with the plague marines which worked well for me and used those blight launchers to great effect. I kept a fire base with the PBCs (I love these things) which always drew tons of fire (and survived). My bloat drone would charge towards ranged AT units and tie then up. My DP would go unit hunting. My big hammer was my blightlords with Typhus. They always have blades of puterification on them and if needed VoTLW. I used the foul blightspawn in the center of my lines with his 20” arch-contamiator aura and revolting stench aura. This is important because if someone tried to charge my lines, I had the option to always interrupt and kill the unit after a my opponent’s charging unit outside of the aura fought.

Motarian I used differently each game he was either full offense if they had little ranged AT or counter punch if they had lots of ranged AT until I could kill some of the ememy’s units and move him forward.

would be nice know the lists you played against with general hints and strategy.i have a similar list planning to play it in january, but i play poxwalkers and nurglins and 4 bloated drones. instead plague marines.

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I didn’t play any Eldar lists. I played necrons, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, and Girlyman Imperial soup lists. I have also played IG, Orcs, and Chaos recently and have had great success.

Pox walkers can be good but the issue is they don’t do much for a few turns best case. This means my opponent will deal with my bigger stuff first. I like PMs because they can’t be ignored. They were killing hellblasters, bikers, Flyers, and other lighter vehicles. If Mortarian lowers the toughness on vehicles they usually are wounding on 3s or 4s rerolling (with warlord trait). They knocked multiple flyers out of the sky. 16x STR 6, -2 AP, D3 damage is not something you can ignore. They chew up elite units and are a pain to kill when in cover.
   
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without warp time did you find anything slow? i mean ok ur hammer was blights+thypus but they move 4" and if fail 1st charge not easy they get something valuable in CaC.

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 blackmage wrote:
without warp time did you find anything slow? i mean ok ur hammer was blights+thypus but they move 4" and if fail 1st charge not easy they get something valuable in CaC.


My list is deceptively fast. The blightlords and Typhus are not the hammer of my list they are there to create headaches and target saturation for my opponent. Usually Typhus or the lords makes it into combat if I use a reroll. Typhus is one of the guys I may replace at some point since he really doesn’t do much for my list. His psychic powers are the most important and I can replace him with a sorcerer in terminator armor which could give warptime. My big melee hammer is the DP, Bloat drone, and Mortarian. Between everything I have 1200 points in combat turn 1 or 2. The other 800pts are providing overwatch, taking out key elite units, and securing objectives.

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I will test your list against a Primaris/GK opponent soon Broxus. He got 15 hellblasters and 4 Lascanons. Do you think termies are revelant against this? He got a Banner each time they die he can re shoot with them.
Another question: What list you will do if you were playing 1800-1850 pts games?
   
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A few things to make sure you do to beat that list:
1) use your PBCs and PM’s blight launchers to kill those hellblasters. Just stay at range and you will be fine. (you will kill on average 10 hellblasters a turn with them even if they are in cover)
2) use your Bloat drone to charge towards those hellblasters and tie them up and flame them.
3) once the Bloat drone is close to the hellblasters and lascannons drop your terminators and Typhus near them. Then use the cloud of flies strategem so they can’t be targeted. Now they can even charge and your opponent won’t get overwatch since they are not the closest.
4) if your opponent has no deep striking feel free to keep Mortarian at range a turn or two to prevent rapid fire hellblasters. Cast miasma on the Bloat drone to make it last longer. (It makes their overheating much more dangerous)
5) the DP should closely follow the Bloat drone and get in combat asap.
6) the end result is everything will hit his lines turn 2. Likely the Bloat drone will die or be very week but his hellblasters and lascannons will be irrelevant and the bulk of your forces will arrive unmolested.
7) when you do get into combat make sure you show him Nurgle’s generosity by using the Nurgle’s rot bomb strategem, Typhus’ Nurgle gift, and Mortarian’s Host of Plagues resulting in potentially 7 additional mortal wounds on every enemy unit before your psychic abilites are used.



The list has a great deal of shooting firepower and excels against space marines and Primarius marines in particular. Remember his banner only allows him to shoot again on a 4+ (3+ with relic)

I haven’t played any 1800 or 1850 lists. I would likely drop 2x unit of PMs and pickup some Cultists to fill out my list. Another option would be to look at removing a PBC.

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well with 1850 you can kick out the PBC and a unit of Plague Marines, adding a second Blightspawn in the mix and getting 15 to play with (-.-).
Another way would be kicking a PBC and Typhus for a sorcerer in terminator armour and having 60 pts left...maybe for 10 Poxwalker or kitting out the Terminators with combi-plas minus the axe on the champion.
   
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broxus wrote:
A few things to make sure you do to beat that list:
1) use your PBCs and PM’s blight launchers to kill those hellblasters. Just stay at range and you will be fine. (you will kill on average 10 hellblasters a turn with them even if they are in cover)
2) use your Bloat drone to charge towards those hellblasters and tie them up and flame them.
3) once the Bloat drone is close to the hellblasters and lascannons drop your terminators and Typhus near them. Then use the cloud of flies strategem so they can’t be targeted. Now they can even charge and your opponent won’t get overwatch since they are not the closest.
4) if your opponent has no deep striking feel free to keep Mortarian at range a turn or two to prevent rapid fire hellblasters. Cast miasma on the Bloat drone to make it last longer. (It makes their overheating much more dangerous)
5) the DP should closely follow the Bloat drone and get in combat asap.
6) the end result is everything will hit his lines turn 2. Likely the Bloat drone will die or be very week but his hellblasters and lascannons will be irrelevant and the bulk of your forces will arrive unmolested.
7) when you do get into combat make sure you show him Nurgle’s generosity by using the Nurgle’s rot bomb strategem, Typhus’ Nurgle gift, and Mortarian’s Host of Plagues resulting in potentially 7 additional mortal wounds on every enemy unit before your psychic abilites are used.



The list has a great deal of shooting firepower and excels against space marines and Primarius marines in particular. Remember his banner only allows him to shoot again on a 4+ (3+ with relic)

I haven’t played any 1800 or 1850 lists. I would likely drop 2x unit of PMs and pickup some Cultists to fill out my list. Another option would be to look at removing a PBC.


Thanks for your answers Broxus,

My opponent got deepstrike unit : Draigo + strike squad and maybe 3 paladins. This was designed to kill my daemons. So he got deepstrike.
When you say use your PBCs you are forced to move them at 36'' for the Entropy canon right?
Have you ever tried Chaos lord with 2 PBCs? You kill on average one 1 more primaris on cover with him. Not worth?

Which is the better list of the 2 for you :


++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Chaos - Death Guard) [77 PL, 1330pts] ++

+ Heavy Support +

Plagueburst Crawler [8 PL, 146pts]: 2x Entropy cannon, Heavy Slugger

+ HQ +

Daemon Prince of Nurgle [9 PL, 180pts]: Hellforged sword, Wings

Typhus [9 PL, 175pts]

+ Elites +

Blightlord Terminators [14 PL, 236pts]
. Blightlord Terminator: Flail of Corruption
. Blightlord Terminator: Blight launcher, Bubotic Axe
. Blightlord Terminator: Bubotic Axe, Combi-bolter
. Blightlord Terminator: Bubotic Axe, Combi-bolter
. Blightlord Terminator Champion: Bubotic Axe, Combi-bolter

Foul Blightspawn [4 PL, 77pts]

Noxious Blightbringer [4 PL, 65pts]: Plasma pistol

+ Fast Attack +

Foetid Bloat-drone [8 PL, 136pts]: Fleshmower, Plague probe

+ Troops +

Plague Marines [7 PL, 105pts]
. Plague Champion: Boltgun, Plague knife
. 2x Plague Marine w/ boltgun
. Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Blight launcher
. Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Blight launcher

Plague Marines [7 PL, 105pts]
. Plague Champion: Boltgun, Plague knife
. 2x Plague Marine w/ boltgun
. Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Blight launcher
. Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Blight launcher

Plague Marines [7 PL, 105pts]
. Plague Champion: Boltgun, Plague knife
. 2x Plague Marine w/ boltgun
. Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Blight launcher
. Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Blight launcher

++ Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment (Chaos - Death Guard) [24 PL, 470pts] ++

+ Lord of War +

Mortarion [24 PL, 470pts]

++ Total: [101 PL, 1800pts] ++

Or


++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Chaos - Death Guard) [81 PL, 1381pts] ++

+ Heavy Support +

Plagueburst Crawler [8 PL, 146pts]: 2x Entropy cannon, Heavy Slugger

Plagueburst Crawler [8 PL, 146pts]: 2x Entropy cannon, Heavy Slugger

+ HQ +

Chaos Lord [5 PL, 80pts]: Balesword, Bolt pistol

Daemon Prince of Nurgle [9 PL, 180pts]: Hellforged sword, Wings

+ Elites +

Blightlord Terminators [14 PL, 236pts]
. Blightlord Terminator: Flail of Corruption
. Blightlord Terminator: Blight launcher, Bubotic Axe
. Blightlord Terminator: Bubotic Axe, Combi-bolter
. Blightlord Terminator: Bubotic Axe, Combi-bolter
. Blightlord Terminator Champion: Bubotic Axe, Combi-bolter

Foul Blightspawn [4 PL, 77pts]

Noxious Blightbringer [4 PL, 65pts]: Plasma pistol

+ Fast Attack +

Foetid Bloat-drone [8 PL, 136pts]: Fleshmower, Plague probe

+ Troops +

Plague Marines [7 PL, 105pts]
. Plague Champion: Boltgun, Plague knife
. 2x Plague Marine w/ boltgun
. Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Blight launcher
. Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Blight launcher

Plague Marines [7 PL, 105pts]
. Plague Champion: Boltgun, Plague knife
. 2x Plague Marine w/ boltgun
. Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Blight launcher
. Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Blight launcher

Plague Marines [7 PL, 105pts]
. Plague Champion: Boltgun, Plague knife
. 2x Plague Marine w/ boltgun
. Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Blight launcher
. Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Blight launcher

++ Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment (Chaos - Death Guard) [24 PL, 470pts] ++

+ Lord of War +

Mortarion [24 PL, 470pts]

++ Total: [105 PL, 1851pts] ++


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Iago40k wrote:
well with 1850 you can kick out the PBC and a unit of Plague Marines, adding a second Blightspawn in the mix and getting 15 to play with (-.-).
Another way would be kicking a PBC and Typhus for a sorcerer in terminator armour and having 60 pts left...maybe for 10 Poxwalker or kitting out the Terminators with combi-plas minus the axe on the champion.


Yea all very viable. I really like the Foul Blightspawn (when I get to use him)


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@Sarevokk

I like parts of both of your lists but I would say the first thing is in both lists lose the noxious blightbringer and the blight launcher on the blightlords and instead field a second Foul Blightspawn.

Not having a way to cast blades of puterification on the blightlords in the second list will severely make them far worse in combat so I feel you need Typhus or a sorcerer to make them worth it.

I really like taking 2 PBCs in the second list.

The problem taking a Chaos Lord is the simple fact you now have 3 characters rerolling ones. That is lots of redundancy!

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The problem taking a Chaos Lord is the simple fact you now have 3 characters rerolling ones. That is lots of redundancy!

THe chaos lord is here for stay all the game near the 2 pbcs

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The problem taking a Chaos Lord is the simple fact you now have 3 characters rerolling ones. That is lots of redundancy!


THe chaos lord is here for stay all the game near the 2 pbcs

Yea kinda expensive to do that. Rerolling ones gives an 8%ish damage boost. Not sure that is worth it for only 2 PBCs. You could use the arch-contaminator warlord trait and the helm to increase the range on the Foul Blightspawn and give a damage boost instead and save the points.
   
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Ok so here is my list with all your advice ;
( Note that i am forced to take some options on my blight lords : i have 20-25 pts i dont know what to do


++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Chaos - Death Guard) [80 PL, 1380pts] ++

+ Heavy Support +

Plagueburst Crawler [8 PL, 146pts]: 2x Entropy cannon, Heavy Slugger

Plagueburst Crawler [8 PL, 146pts]: 2x Entropy cannon, Heavy Slugger

+ HQ +

Daemon Prince of Nurgle [9 PL, 180pts]: Hellforged sword, Wings

Sorcerer in Terminator Armour [8 PL, 127pts]: Blades of Putrefaction, Combi-bolter, Miasma of Pestilence, Power axe

+ Elites +

Blightlord Terminators [14 PL, 253pts]
. Blightlord Terminator: Flail of Corruption
. Blightlord Terminator: Blight launcher, Bubotic Axe
. Blightlord Terminator: Bubotic Axe, Combi-bolter
. Blightlord Terminator: Bubotic Axe, Combi-bolter
. Blightlord Terminator Champion: Bubotic Axe, Combi-melta

Foul Blightspawn [4 PL, 77pts]

+ Fast Attack +

Foetid Bloat-drone [8 PL, 136pts]: Fleshmower, Plague probe

+ Troops +

Plague Marines [7 PL, 105pts]
. Plague Champion: Boltgun, Plague knife
. 2x Plague Marine w/ boltgun
. Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Blight launcher
. Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Blight launcher

Plague Marines [7 PL, 105pts]
. Plague Champion: Boltgun, Plague knife
. 2x Plague Marine w/ boltgun
. Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Blight launcher
. Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Blight launcher

Plague Marines [7 PL, 105pts]
. Plague Champion: Boltgun, Plague knife
. 2x Plague Marine w/ boltgun
. Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Blight launcher
. Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Blight launcher

++ Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment (Chaos - Death Guard) [24 PL, 470pts] ++

+ Lord of War +

Mortarion [24 PL, 470pts]

++ Total: [104 PL, 1850pts] ++

   
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broxus wrote:
A few things to make sure you do to beat that list:
1) use your PBCs and PM’s blight launchers to kill those hellblasters. Just stay at range and you will be fine. (you will kill on average 10 hellblasters a turn with them even if they are in cover)
2) use your Bloat drone to charge towards those hellblasters and tie them up and flame them.
3) once the Bloat drone is close to the hellblasters and lascannons drop your terminators and Typhus near them. Then use the cloud of flies strategem so they can’t be targeted. Now they can even charge and your opponent won’t get overwatch since they are not the closest.
4) if your opponent has no deep striking feel free to keep Mortarian at range a turn or two to prevent rapid fire hellblasters. Cast miasma on the Bloat drone to make it last longer. (It makes their overheating much more dangerous)
5) the DP should closely follow the Bloat drone and get in combat asap.
6) the end result is everything will hit his lines turn 2. Likely the Bloat drone will die or be very week but his hellblasters and lascannons will be irrelevant and the bulk of your forces will arrive unmolested.
7) when you do get into combat make sure you show him Nurgle’s generosity by using the Nurgle’s rot bomb strategem, Typhus’ Nurgle gift, and Mortarian’s Host of Plagues resulting in potentially 7 additional mortal wounds on every enemy unit before your psychic abilites are used.


The list has a great deal of shooting firepower and excels against space marines and Primarius marines in particular. Remember his banner only allows him to shoot again on a 4+ (3+ with relic)

I haven’t played any 1800 or 1850 lists. I would likely drop 2x unit of PMs and pickup some Cultists to fill out my list. Another option would be to look at removing a PBC.


Not sure if #3 counts. I think cloud of flies makes that unit act similar to a character. And when characters charge they def get over watched still regardless if there was a unit in front of the character.
   
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he is saying to use cloud on termies not on drone (and you cant on drone anyway).

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 blackmage wrote:
he is saying to use cloud on termies not on drone (and you cant on drone anyway).


I know. But he is saying with cloud of flies on the term they can't get over watched if there is a unit in front of them, which is think is incorrect, since it makes them act like characters and when characters charge they can still get over watched even if there is a unit in front of them.
   
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yes i misread

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kilfrg7864 wrote:
 blackmage wrote:
he is saying to use cloud on termies not on drone (and you cant on drone anyway).


I know. But he is saying with cloud of flies on the term they can't get over watched if there is a unit in front of them, which is think is incorrect, since it makes them act like characters and when characters charge they can still get over watched even if there is a unit in front of them.


Although.....the stratagem reads that enemy models can only shoot this unit if it's the closest visible unit. Does this apply only to shooting phase or overwatch as well?

I know under the character rules it specifies that they can only be targeted if they are the closest unit in the shooting phase. But the stratagem doesn't specify a certain phase..... hmmmmm not sure now.
   
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Yea I’m not sure about this either anymore.

@Sarevokk yea I like that list. Use the points for another melta on Terminators and som PM blightswords?

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broxus wrote:
Yea I’m not sure about this either anymore.

@Sarevokk yea I like that list. Use the points for another melta on Terminators and som PM blightswords?


After asking around the general consensus is that it does block overwatch shots
   
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Ok so i have fought the the Primaris / GK player yesterday with the slight tweaked list.

I got the first turn and moved forward the ennemy. The PBCSs killed 3-4 hellblasters during the game and scored so much points on Maelstorm war that they were very useful ( and at the end more important they done the job but i will come to this ).

At around T2 mortarion was in position to charge T3. I decided to DS my termies + sorcerer to provide layer in front of mortartion against GKS.

During the T2 of my ennemy he killed 3 termies and deepstrike GKS ( 4 paladins + Draigo + 5 strike squad). He inflicted some wounds on morty.

But the worst was coming T2 for me. Mortarion declared 2 charges against paladins and Strike. I rolled respectively 4 and 5 after reroll, i needed 6 to charge..
Mortarion was right in front of them and did nothing. I killed some hellblasters and inceptors them i moved forward and capped a lot of points. I was at 6 objectives point and my opponent 1.

Then the beating begun, 9 automatic Mortalwounds with Gks and a charge from kaldor draigo put morty to grave. Hopefully he done a putrid demise and good host of plagues and done some damage even without hitting with scythe.

After that was quick, the blightspawn killed paladins and draigo and score objective priorty . MVP of the game 100%

The score was 9 to 1. Drone and Daemon prince was killed . I decided to flee with my PBCS and blightspawn ( the only survivors) during two turn and won the game! My opponent got 9 hellblasters + pedro + lieutannt + apoth + tactical squad left.



   
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mortarion is great but in actual meta he suffers a lot, too much smites/mortal wounds, heavy fire phase every top army can handle him pretty quick.

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@Sarevokk. Great news yea blightspawn is great. How many squads of PMs did you have?

@blackmage. Mortarian does fine against mortal wounds and since the changes to smite it helps him even more. Not to mention he can dispel 3 powers. It honestly,ty depends on which meta you play in but Mortarian is always a solid choice.
   
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broxus wrote:
@Sarevokk. Great news yea blightspawn is great. How many squads of PMs did you have?

@blackmage. Mortarian does fine against mortal wounds and since the changes to smite it helps him even more. Not to mention he can dispel 3 powers. It honestly,ty depends on which meta you play in but Mortarian is always a solid choice.


you should play in Italian ETC enviroment and see how you ll change ur mind ;D

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broxus wrote:
@Sarevokk. Great news yea blightspawn is great. How many squads of PMs did you have?

@blackmage. Mortarian does fine against mortal wounds and since the changes to smite it helps him even more. Not to mention he can dispel 3 powers. It honestly,ty depends on which meta you play in but Mortarian is always a solid choice.


3 squad of 5 PMs , i think i will break some arms on my close combat marines and do a 4th squad they are cheap and are a annoying threat!

Mortarion seems always to be a good choice, even if he dies without charging he draws a lot of fire and pressure the ennemy
   
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i wont play a 470pts model just to let it dies and do nothing, sorry.

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 blackmage wrote:
i wont play a 470pts model just to let it dies and do nothing, sorry.


You just have to play him smartly. I see to many people just charge him in only to have him die. Play him more conservatively and he won’t disappoint. Of course in some matchups he excels.

If you did replace him you could field an extra PBC, Foetid Drone, and I would recommend adding an extra daemon prince.
   
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usually i play with 4 or 5 Dp's, never disppointed me... they kill anything and until i want they are impossible to target.

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How do you make all your 4-5 demon princes impossible to target against snipers ?
   
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they can use snipers with 3+/5++/5+ dr i dont care of them. If i should worry of snipers you can imagine with Mortarion who can be targeted by everything. Never lost 1 single Dp for snipers.

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