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 Egyptian Space Zombie wrote:
It seemed like ages ago that 8th edition was going to be this new streamlined game which would be easy for new players to pick up because they wouldn't need to buy 3 books to play...

To be fair, you don't - you can use the free rules and a Codex.

M.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Personal opinion: the points changes should be made available free. Everything else in the book is fair game to charge money for. And ultimately, GW has already set the precedent for updated points being free. Look at document that came out with points for the Primaris Space Marine units.

Agreed. Points changes should be made free, even if it is just the point deltas rather than full points.

I wonder, would there be any legal issue (other than the usual "you can sue anyone for anything to bleed you dry" issue) of posting the points deltas (e.g. saying X is +3 points) so that you'd need the original book anyway?

People have already been posting the rumored stuff, so I really doubt there is a good legal reason to say they can't.

All in all, I am going to get Chapter Approved. I really hope the new terrain rules make my Crimson Fists actually be able to shine. If we can start busting apart ruins and whatnot, yay for us. Though I don't know why we would since we ignore cover. Oops...

GW has been encouraging Power Levels and Open Play for all their products in 8th. Matched Play is only one way to play a game now. Stick with Power Levels and you don't have to buy this book. Simple as that.

I personally don't play Power Levels. Compared to the nightmare of 7th edition gaming using a 6th edition codex, I welcome these frequent updates.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
GW has been encouraging Power Levels and Open Play for all their products in 8th. Matched Play is only one way to play a game now. Stick with Power Levels and you don't have to buy this book. Simple as that.

I personally don't play Power Levels. Compared to the nightmare of 7th edition gaming using a 6th edition codex, I welcome these frequent updates.

Power level isn't that bad for a pick up game, but even then, I have my lists planned way in advance (tailoring is pretty much verboten in my group).

I, too, welcome these changes being made available. So far, from the leaks, I am coming out ahead on points (not sure what I am going to do with 30 pts though).

 Quickjager wrote:
Chapter approved factions that are getting rules is finally shown. Literally not a single codex update, its fething ALMOST nothing. Just Index 1.5 to pick the pockets of the factions without codices yet.

Disgusting.


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Also, GK not getting True Grit is a slap in the face.

Well you were expecting new rules for existing codex? Point updates are coming for codexes. What more you were expecting? New strategems and traits for existing codexes?


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 Egyptian Space Zombie wrote:
It seemed like ages ago that 8th edition was going to be this new streamlined game which would be easy for new players to pick up because they wouldn't need to buy 3 books to play...

What made you think like that in the first place? Rulebook, 1+(realistically at least 2+) codexes, maybe index for a while and then we heard chapter approved book long time ago so we knew we would have to carry 1 more book per each year. That much was known from the get-go.


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 Infantryman wrote:

 Egyptian Space Zombie wrote:
It seemed like ages ago that 8th edition was going to be this new streamlined game which would be easy for new players to pick up because they wouldn't need to buy 3 books to play...

To be fair, you don't - you can use the free rules and a Codex.

M.

Plus 1 mandatory chapter approved per year so from now on minimum is 2 book(assuming you gimp yourself by having just 1 faction or are orks/necrons/tau) and year later minimum 3 books. Then 4 books, 5...

If it's anything like the General's Handbook, it's worth the money just for new scenarios and a few of the updates for armies that are missing some.
If your just buying the book for points updates, you will feel disappointed.

 Egyptian Space Zombie wrote:
It seemed like ages ago that 8th edition was going to be this new streamlined game which would be easy for new players to pick up because they wouldn't need to buy 3 books to play...

I "think" you do not need the "Chapter Approved".
You still can make do with the BRB and your Codex and some FAQ's printed out for free.

I agree that its ok to pay for new content, but rule and point updates should be free.

Just consider the rules and point updates a free bonus when you buy the book

Surely several photos and summaries of the point changes will be online within a week of the book releasing.

If it's only the point values you care about than surely someone in your group will have the book and you can just take a quick photo of the point summary for your faction?

I think the point changes are fundamental errata and should be availiable for free. Everything else in the book like VDR, Warzones, Planetsrike, Stronghold Assault, Campaign rules etc is justifiably a supplement and will never be free.

Fixed book price law? Or something like this.

This can't be serious?

 NurglesR0T wrote:
Surely several photos and summaries of the point changes will be online within a week of the book releasing.

They just got leaked. Now no one has to buy anything!

 Sim-Life wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:
Surely several photos and summaries of the point changes will be online within a week of the book releasing.

They just got leaked. Now no one has to buy anything!

Where at?

 Blacksails wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:
Surely several photos and summaries of the point changes will be online within a week of the book releasing.

They just got leaked. Now no one has to buy anything!

Where at?

Rumor thread page 23. Or any of the faction relevant tactics threads.

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:
Surely several photos and summaries of the point changes will be online within a week of the book releasing.

They just got leaked. Now no one has to buy anything!

Where at?

Rumor thread page 23. Or any of the faction relevant tactics threads.

Cheers, I'll check it out.

 Blacksails wrote:

Where at?

Links from other thread:

 pretre wrote:

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Source: FTGT Evan on FB

Is this where I make a joke that it turns out they weren't worth money for Grey Knights anyway?

 Cream Tea wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:

Where at?

Links from other thread:

 pretre wrote:

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Source: FTGT Evan on FB

Hm. Conscripts would then be the same price as Guardsmen.

Also...why the heck is the Conquerer still in the game? Its gimmick isn't relevant anymore, is it?

M.

 Infantryman wrote:


Also...why the heck is the Conquerer still in the game? Its gimmick isn't relevant anymore, is it?

M.

Half the range of the normal battlecannon but a co-axial autocannon, so more dakka. (this update standardises its cost with the GW Leman Russ so its 10 points more than standard for an extra autocannon)

WatcherZero wrote:

 Infantryman wrote:


Also...why the heck is the Conquerer still in the game? Its gimmick isn't relevant anymore, is it?

M.

Half the range of the normal battlecannon but a co-axial autocannon, so more dakka. (this update standardises its cost with the GW Leman Russ so its 10 points more than standard for an extra autocannon)

Hm. I seem to remember it being a coax heavy stubber but I'm probably wrong.

Back in "the day" it was supposed to be Heavy, so you could still move and shoot (twice!) with it, even if it was a weaker and smaller blast. Loved the idea, but it was crazy overcosted I think.

Now the Conquerer turret is OOP at Forgeworld...

M.

Not sure what frack people are smoking who say "because nothing isn't free." Yes, fixing your product usually is. If I buy anything and it's defective and requires an update to fix companies don't charge, how many firmware updates have you paid for any electronic you have? How many drivers have you paid for on your pc?

Danny slag wrote:
Not sure what frack people are smoking who say "because nothing isn't free." Yes, fixing your product usually is. If I buy anything and it's defective and requires an update to fix companies don't charge, how many firmware updates have you paid for any electronic you have? How many drivers have you paid for on your pc?

That depends. You want to run IBM? You pay through the nose. You want software as a service? You pay monthly.

This product isn't defective even if you wish it so.

I mean... nobody has to pay for chapter approved. The points changes are all known and freely distributed. If you bought a codex, you can just, you know, write in the new points cost.

GW isn't giving it away, but that doesn't mean paying full retail for a few points change is your only option.

I think GW Marketing Division have played a corker with their whole "8th Ed will be the most balanced, most streamlined, easiest to pick up 40k ever!". 6+ months later and players are still arguing the facts over the above statement. Meanwhile GW continue being GW behind the marketing smokescreen.

Well played GW. Hope you don't get burned by the fallout when everyone catches on.

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It seems to me that GW don't especially care that point costs are distributed publicly. They won't say that out loud, for obvious reasons, but they don't seem to do anything about it and even put the community-produced scrollbuilder on their website despite their app having a paid-for equivalent.

Everyone can easily find them right now and the book has yet to be released.

Chapter Approved is far more than just the points cost adjustments - just about everything else in there is much more interesting and worthy of the small price.

What they really need to do is finally release the damn army builder they've promised since release - have everything centralised there. Also, every datasheet should be freely on the website like in AOS. Warlord traits, detachment rules etc can all go in the codex, that's fine, but have the unit rules readily available. They come in the box anyway (or will, eventually).

Danny slag wrote:
Not sure what frack people are smoking who say "because nothing isn't free." Yes, fixing your product usually is. If I buy anything and it's defective and requires an update to fix companies don't charge, how many firmware updates have you paid for any electronic you have? How many drivers have you paid for on your pc?

Take a look at what using a double negative means. The only thing defective here, is your understanding of basic grammar. Releasing new and improved products does not mean the previous products were bad. Every year Apple releases a new and improved Iphone, should those be free?

Things that are free, are not worth it.
A book for 25€ can contribute to some extent to the whole business.

flyingthruwater wrote:
I think GW Marketing Division have played a corker with their whole "8th Ed will be the most balanced, most streamlined, easiest to pick up 40k ever!". 6+ months later and players are still arguing the facts over the above statement. Meanwhile GW continue being GW behind the marketing smokescreen.

Well played GW. Hope you don't get burned by the fallout when everyone catches on.

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They don't need to worry with the sheer amount of the GW holy defence force ITT.

Only in this fething hobby....

CassianSol wrote:

Chapter Approved is far more than just the points cost adjustments - just about everything else in there is much more interesting and worthy of the small price.

That remains to be seen. Its ok to charge money for new content, but point and rule updates should be free. Its not like rule books are the only income of GW.