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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
I don't think so.

You can say that until your blue in the face. You'll never be right about it though.

A large part of the sales from Superman (vol. 2) #75 were from non-fans who wanted the issue as a collectible investment. Due to the massive number of books printed (except for the platinum editions), it is unlikely to ever be valuable. Retailer and columnist Chuck Rozanski cites the sales of this book as an example of the speculator boom of the 1990s, which ended in the bust of the speculator market.[16]

Death of superman was right in the middle of the 90s mass collectors market with varient covers, foil covers, and collectable #1s that are all basically worthless now because everyone bought 2 copies. 1 to read and 1 to seal in cardboard backed plastic. Yes, it sold like mad. But, its not unreasonable to think that 1/2 of all sales were just colectors copies either a second copy for the reader or non readers who just thought this would make a nice nest egg.

New Suicide Squad cartoon is out digitally. Anyone see it? How is it?

 timetowaste85 wrote:
New Suicide Squad cartoon is out digitally. Anyone see it? How is it?

i found it to be a solid and entertaining movie-the story is basically everyone after the special extra shiny thingamajig that everyone and their cousin wants
you'll probably want to have seen assault on arkham and flash paradox before it though

Continues to ramp up the levels of graphic violence and gore in the DC animated universe. They will kill anyone and everyone, they don’t care who you are, they’ll even kill you twice.

Sweet. More violent with the R rating actually being DESERVED for once is nice. And I have both AoAA and FP (which is currently my second favorite after B:UtRH). Sounds like I should be jonesing for Tuesday!

Gonna do some very, very mild threadomancy and give this thread a bump up the pile - that's instead of kicking off a very similar topic.

So, generally DC get (what I consider rightful) praise for their aminated efforts - but of course struggle with their live action fare.

Whilst none have been flops exactly, pretty much all have underperformed at the box office, leading to various changes of direction which stops it all feeling cohesive.

And I'm wondering.....what if they just drew a line under the live action stuff, and instead produced animated films for the cinema? They'll cost less, can arguably do more, and the amination department most certainly seems to know what its doing - including what the fans want to see.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Gonna do some very, very mild threadomancy and give this thread a bump up the pile - that's instead of kicking off a very similar topic.

So, generally DC get (what I consider rightful) praise for their aminated efforts - but of course struggle with their live action fare.

Whilst none have been flops exactly, pretty much all have underperformed at the box office, leading to various changes of direction which stops it all feeling cohesive.

And I'm wondering.....what if they just drew a line under the live action stuff, and instead produced animated films for the cinema? They'll cost less, can arguably do more, and the amination department most certainly seems to know what its doing - including what the fans want to see.

Game of Thrones: DC edition?

The DC Animated films have a big of a chequered history too.

A lot of the The New 52 based ones, which they've been doing for the past 7 years haven't been exactly great.

Batman and Harley Quinn was completely lambasted as being the skeeviest, creepiest product DC has made in who knows how long.

However, Suicide Squad: Hell to Pay has been pretty well received (and finally turned up in the UK today). I was watching it tonight and yeah, it's pretty good. It still feels super awkward with the whole "Gail Simone" thing though. (Essentially they lifted one of her plotlines for the Secret Six, transplanted it into Suicide Squad and didn't tell her or mention it to her, or give her any sort of credit, as I understand it).

But yeah, it felt pretty good but it kinda felt like they went a bit too overly murder happy in it...

It was a bit like the writers of the movie were taking the easy way out. "Oh, character X's part of the film is over, just kill 'em."

They’ve been super murder happy for awhile now with the animated stuff. The last Batman that I recall had every single villain die off, like half a dozen named dudes. Mad Hatter’s head Exploded. It’s really getting super cliche.

Also I quite liked the Batman and Harley one. It was very risqué with its humor, but it was also just fun. A nice departure from that recent everyone must die Theme.

I just watched a quite a few of the DC movies, starting with the flashpoint paradox. I thought they have been pretty great.

Wait, what was skeevy about BaHQ other than HQ’s bondage scene with Nightwing? And the restaurant basically poking fun at fanboys for crushing on Wonder Woman and others? Neither was really THAT bad.

The brain splattering and child-murder in Flashpoint should have raised more hackles. And that was a few years ago.

That bedroom scene was pretty much the only scene I really saw talked about on social media, and generally all negative. I didn’t think it was that bad myself.

People were probably pissed to find out that Nightwing, unlike Batman, has no qualms with “banging the crazies”.

The bedroom scene (with the infamous '4 butts'), as well as the bar scene, are often commented on.

But in general, yeah, while I like some of the gags in the film (JLU ringtone), the whole thing just felt awkward.

Poor Harley always seems to be the root of those sort of complaints, people were unhappy about seeing her bum in Assault on Arkham too.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
People were probably pissed to find out that Nightwing, unlike Batman, has no qualms with “banging the crazies”.

Batman’s marrying Cat Woman. Also he fathered a child with Ra’s al Ghul’s daughter.

 AduroT wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
People were probably pissed to find out that Nightwing, unlike Batman, has no qualms with “banging the crazies”.

Batman’s marrying Cat Woman. Also he fathered a child with Ra’s al Ghul’s daughter.

To be fair she grew him in a vat with his dna.

 Lance845 wrote:

 AduroT wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
People were probably pissed to find out that Nightwing, unlike Batman, has no qualms with “banging the crazies”.

Batman’s marrying Cat Woman. Also he fathered a child with Ra’s al Ghul’s daughter.

To be fair she grew him in a vat with his dna.

And a second one later to murder him with.

Talia's actually probably become one of the most unhinged women in the DCU in the last decade or so.

He’s marrying Catwoman? Also, with the exception of the Michelle P. version, she’s never even been slightly crazy. Has she EVER even once ended up in Arkham, excluding B&E?

Had latest incarnation in the comics took the rap for a revenge murder spree of like a hundred dudes or something and ended up in Arkham.

Key there is, "took the rap."

The duel with Talia to resolve that was pretty great.

 LunarSol wrote:
The duel with Talia to resolve that was pretty great.

“You mind holding my sword?”

Watched the new Ninja Batman animated movie. Fun and entertaining overall. Some good fight scenes. A really stupid third act. Like, really stupid, and it kept getting stupider. Ends with a couple more solid fights though.

They do HORRIBLY mischaracterize Damian. Like, I’m not actually sure he Was Damian, but I don’t know who else he’d be since they also had Nightwing, Red Hood, and Red Robin, and I don’t recall any fifth Robin he might have supposed to have been.

The whole concept looked awful; I’ve never really understood the forced anime-ization of typical western cartoons.

I actually enjoyed the concept as a whole. Most of the character designs were cool and interesting to see how they blended elements.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
The whole concept looked awful; I’ve never really understood the forced anime-ization of typical western cartoons.

It’s payback for all the times we’ve taken their movies and replaced all the samurai with cowboys.

 AduroT wrote:
Watched the new Ninja Batman animated movie. Fun and entertaining overall. Some good fight scenes. A really stupid third act. Like, really stupid, and it kept getting stupider. Ends with a couple more solid fights though.

They do HORRIBLY mischaracterize Damian. Like, I’m not actually sure he Was Damian, but I don’t know who else he’d be since they also had Nightwing, Red Hood, and Red Robin, and I don’t recall any fifth Robin he might have supposed to have been.

My god, I almost gave up watching the movie at the third act, glad I stuck around though.



Joker was fun though, someone really went all out to animate him.

Yeah, Joker was a treat whenever he was on screen.

Thought I'd bring this one back up as Death of Superman just came out (in the UK at least, not sure if it came out earlier in the US like some of the others have)

Honestly, it's excellent. Crucially, it avoids one of the pitfalls of the previous attempt making the whole film about the title fight, and takes its time to actually set the stakes and build the tension before an explosive finale that has an incredible brutality and intensity to it. It also does a good job of making the supporting cast actually worthwhile in their own right without overshadowing Superman himself, and one of the best scenes in the film is Doomsday going through the League before Superman's even on the scene, with all of them getting to have a cool moment at some point.

Lots of exciting setup for the sequel as well, it seems like it might be going some interesting directions.


Well worth a watch.

On an unrelated note, the animated Constantine series the CW made is getting a full release later in the year, filled out to a full 90 minutes with some new material. Looking forward to that, Matt Ryan as Constantine is always good.