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Well I’m super excited about the tzaangor enlightened and shamans being in the codex! Got a couple of the tzeentch arcanites battforce boxes coming in to get cranking.

Been looking for a good way to convert the kairic acolytes to cultists, think I’m going to use some anvil industries pistol hands.

And hey! Already have two mutalith Vortex beasts I’d been using as giant spawn! Looks like everything is coming up Johnny this week!

 Imateria wrote:

 nintura wrote:


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 ImAGeek wrote:
Everyone’s running round with swords, axes, maces etc but bows are too medieval?

Those same people are also running around with miniaturized rockets for bullets, lascannons capable of cutting through a foot of metal. force fields, and nuclear weaponry.

So whats your point? 40K is a Science-Fantasy setting where people runnign around with swords and bows happens at the same time as guys lugging lascannons and missile launchers, and a Tzeentch aligned force like the Thousand Sons is going to have more of the warp trickery going on than most others.

Already answered that multiple times above. Not answering it again. In fact, multiple people have answered that.


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AwesomeSauceGaming wrote:
Well I’m super excited about the tzaangor enlightened and shamans being in the codex! Got a couple of the tzeentch arcanites battforce boxes coming in to get cranking.

Been looking for a good way to convert the kairic acolytes to cultists, think I’m going to use some anvil industries pistol hands.

And hey! Already have two mutalith Vortex beasts I’d been using as giant spawn! Looks like everything is coming up Johnny this week!

I love the Tzaangor models and additions to the dex, just don't like the direction GW wants you to play them. But I have other plans.... a large 4 god Bel'akor army. Thousand Sons is done, Emperor's Champion fallen Sisters of Battle up next. Then maybe Death Guard and World Eaters later.

 nintura wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 nintura wrote:

 Formosa wrote:




That right there wins the internet for the stupidest comment. (again trying to belittle someone and insult there intelligence)

Their*

Thank you for proving my point

That's not an insult to correct someone in the hopes they will learn something new.... and the fact that you try to act all superior is made all the better because you don't know the difference in the common English words.

I know, I just dont care, I am lazy nothing more

Just because I spelled a word wrong, means that you lying is completely fine you did wrong, you then complained about it, lied about it and then tried to curry favour in another thread knowing you did wrong, so no, you lack integrity and honesty and a "spelling mistake" does not cover that up, nice try though Nin

What part of this discussion is on-topic?

 Ghaz wrote:

 godswildcard wrote:
I do wish they had come up with a rifle sprue for the disc Tzaangors. It could have potentially given the army a unique mobile sniper platform and snipers are cool again in 8th edition.

But I like the bows. I wonder if I can take chainswords and pistols and make some flying cc guys?

Edit:
And I wonder if they'll give the regular Tzaangors rules for the cool double handed sword in their box. I'd love an excuse to make one of those!

The Tzaangor Enlightened is a dual kit and comes with an option for Tzeentchian Spears as well.

Spoiler:

Damn. Bought those just get three disks for my 1K sorcerers and now I maybe "have" to use them. ;-)

According to Spiky Bits, one of the items revealed yesterday was that the Sons have an ability called "Spire of the Webway" that can be used on Tzaangors and units with Tzeentch and Thousand Sons keywords to teleport them. If this is the actual deep-strike stratagem, then maybe Magnus can use it after all (and he desperately needs protection from gun-heavy armies that can vaporize him in the first turn).

 EnTyme wrote:
What part of this discussion is on-topic?

None, your right sorry.

At least in the past the guys with swords had chainsaw swords. These are just regular bows and arrows not even space bows and arrows! I mean how long until they just port over the entire Stormcast Eternals range? I mean obviously they're not averse to massacring decades of established fluff so maybe they Advance The Timeline a little bit and hey guess what these new guys showed up after they got brought to life by the Space Emporer's space magic! Hell they could probably just take the fluff from their Warbible or whatever stupid name they're calling army books these days do a find-and-replace for Sigmar with Space Emporer and call it a day. Another codex in the bank - next codex! Or maybe they just add a line at the beginning about how Guilliman finds out that the Space Emporer's real name is Sigmar. Ain't nobody got time for find-and-replace! And those repeater crossbows? They're actually magic repeater crossbows. So -1 AP. For reals brah.

demontalons wrote:
If the second part of our warlord trait is an invulnerable save To units with none or a +1 to those we have that would be pretty big if it’s a 5++ to those with none, makes helbrutes more viable. If it’s just a 6++ eh it’s not really gonna make a difference on our units

I don't know if that will be part of our Legion trait (the video suggests the Legion trait is 6" additional range on our spells), but we can get exactly that effect from Weaver of Fates (which will likely port over from the CSM codex).

That additional 6" is better than it may sound, by the way. For example, a lot of our blasty powers (at least from the CSM codex) have an 18" range, which is exactly the range that Shadow in the Warp reaches out to. Adding 6" onto our range lets our psykers blast Tyranids outside of the range of that -1 debuff.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
At least in the past the guys with swords had chainsaw swords. These are just regular bows and arrows

But...they aren't though? I mean, its obviously magical, being wielded by a blue bird man on a floating disc, who's aligned with the chaos god most well known for sorcery.
Not sure if serious.

If you have such a big problem with Bows, just use a tiny bit of greenstuff to give it a small cable or something and BOOM. Powerbow right there.

I came here for Thousand Sons rumours. All I got was people bickering about bows in 40k and insulting each others intelligence. I am disappoint. Tzeentch would not be happy.

 nintura wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 nintura wrote:

Nvs wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Nobody bats an eye when space weapons are so inefficient that literally every army is bashing each other with .medieval swords but one magic daemon bow and suddenly omg so unrealistic where did the sci-fi go?

They went out of their way to make a chainsword and pistol sprue for the Tzaangors, they could have done the same with the bows and converted them to rifles or something. It's just a lazy money grab.

See? I say this over in the other thread and get mounds of salt and nasty replies. Then I get a warning for flaming.


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Daedalus81 wrote:

Nvs wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Nobody bats an eye when space weapons are so inefficient that literally every army is bashing each other with .medieval swords but one magic daemon bow and suddenly omg so unrealistic where did the sci-fi go?

They went out of their way to make a chainsword and pistol sprue for the Tzaangors, they could have done the same with the bows and converted them to rifles or something. It's just a lazy money grab.

Or they threw a bone to the AoS players to port their models over at no cost. All depends how you want to look at things. And to be honest - rifles would look stupid on those models, so...

This is the only good thing about the whole codex. At least now I can start an AoS army at the same time.


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 ImAGeek wrote:
Everyone’s running round with swords, axes, maces etc but bows are too medieval?

Those same people are also running around with miniaturized rockets for bullets, lascannons capable of cutting through a foot of metal. force fields, and nuclear weaponry.

You instigated those "nasty replies" nintura, you started insulting people who didn't agree with you, so the flame warning was deserved.

I threw out no insults directed at anyone thank you.


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 Ghaz wrote:

 godswildcard wrote:
I do wish they had come up with a rifle sprue for the disc Tzaangors. It could have potentially given the army a unique mobile sniper platform and snipers are cool again in 8th edition.

But I like the bows. I wonder if I can take chainswords and pistols and make some flying cc guys?

Edit:
And I wonder if they'll give the regular Tzaangors rules for the cool double handed sword in their box. I'd love an excuse to make one of those!

The Tzaangor Enlightened is a dual kit and comes with an option for Tzeentchian Spears as well.

Spoiler:

Those are actually quite cool looking.


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the_scotsman wrote:
Nintura, do you have codex leaks then? if so, by all means share them! how do you know that being able to start an AOS army is the only good thing in the codex when all we have is a few hints and vague details from a single battle report?

Did I say the only good thing in the codex? I dont believe I did. I was referring to them having bows and no known upgrade sprue (which now we know can have spears). That to me, in my opinion, the only good thing about that is now I can start an AoS army too. Stop putting words in my mouth please.

"This is the only good thing about the whole codex. At least now I can start an AoS army at the same time."

You literally said that and only that in your quote. In what world is that putting words in your mouth?

 anticitizen013 wrote:
I came here for Thousand Sons rumours. All I got was people bickering about bows in 40k and insulting each others intelligence. I am disappoint. Tzeentch would not be happy.

Simple. Paint the middle part of the handle gold, paint the arrow and the rest of the bow glowing blue. Voila! instant power bow. Or bow-saber if you like star wars



Sci Fi!

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
At least in the past the guys with swords had chainsaw swords. These are just regular bows and arrows not even space bows and arrows! I mean how long until they just port over the entire Stormcast Eternals range? I mean obviously they're not averse to massacring decades of established fluff so maybe they Advance The Timeline a little bit and hey guess what these new guys showed up after they got brought to life by the Space Emporer's space magic! Hell they could probably just take the fluff from their Warbible or whatever stupid name they're calling army books these days do a find-and-replace for Sigmar with Space Emporer and call it a day. Another codex in the bank - next codex! Or maybe they just add a line at the beginning about how Guilliman finds out that the Space Emporer's real name is Sigmar. Ain't nobody got time for find-and-replace! And those repeater crossbows? They're actually magic repeater crossbows. So -1 AP. For reals brah.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/54/df/dd/54dfdd58c1825dc555840a5de79513ef.jpg

Here we see an old-fashioned, low tech, immersion breaking miniature with what is clearly a FANTASY sword.

http://www.bitzstore.com/6324-large_default/power-sword-chaos-space-marine.jpg

And here we have a highly advanced, technological, fully immersed into the setting SPACE sword.

Note the addition of the tiny wire, the indicator that the poster here would not have to flip the table and begin smashing miniatures with hammers were it to appear in one of his games of warhammer 40k.

the_scotsman wrote:

 nintura wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 nintura wrote:

Nvs wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Nobody bats an eye when space weapons are so inefficient that literally every army is bashing each other with .medieval swords but one magic daemon bow and suddenly omg so unrealistic where did the sci-fi go?

They went out of their way to make a chainsword and pistol sprue for the Tzaangors, they could have done the same with the bows and converted them to rifles or something. It's just a lazy money grab.

See? I say this over in the other thread and get mounds of salt and nasty replies. Then I get a warning for flaming.


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Daedalus81 wrote:

Nvs wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Nobody bats an eye when space weapons are so inefficient that literally every army is bashing each other with .medieval swords but one magic daemon bow and suddenly omg so unrealistic where did the sci-fi go?

They went out of their way to make a chainsword and pistol sprue for the Tzaangors, they could have done the same with the bows and converted them to rifles or something. It's just a lazy money grab.

Or they threw a bone to the AoS players to port their models over at no cost. All depends how you want to look at things. And to be honest - rifles would look stupid on those models, so...

This is the only good thing about the whole codex. At least now I can start an AoS army at the same time.


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 ImAGeek wrote:
Everyone’s running round with swords, axes, maces etc but bows are too medieval?

Those same people are also running around with miniaturized rockets for bullets, lascannons capable of cutting through a foot of metal. force fields, and nuclear weaponry.

You instigated those "nasty replies" nintura, you started insulting people who didn't agree with you, so the flame warning was deserved.

I threw out no insults directed at anyone thank you.


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 Ghaz wrote:

 godswildcard wrote:
I do wish they had come up with a rifle sprue for the disc Tzaangors. It could have potentially given the army a unique mobile sniper platform and snipers are cool again in 8th edition.

But I like the bows. I wonder if I can take chainswords and pistols and make some flying cc guys?

Edit:
And I wonder if they'll give the regular Tzaangors rules for the cool double handed sword in their box. I'd love an excuse to make one of those!

The Tzaangor Enlightened is a dual kit and comes with an option for Tzeentchian Spears as well.

Spoiler:

Those are actually quite cool looking.


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the_scotsman wrote:
Nintura, do you have codex leaks then? if so, by all means share them! how do you know that being able to start an AOS army is the only good thing in the codex when all we have is a few hints and vague details from a single battle report?

Did I say the only good thing in the codex? I dont believe I did. I was referring to them having bows and no known upgrade sprue (which now we know can have spears). That to me, in my opinion, the only good thing about that is now I can start an AoS army too. Stop putting words in my mouth please.

"This is the only good thing about the whole codex. At least now I can start an AoS army at the same time."

You literally said that and only that in your quote. In what world is that putting words in your mouth?

Damn, you got me. I meant to say out of the "release" and rumored models. Damned TBI messes with my short term.


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 hippyjr wrote:
Simple. Paint the middle part of the handle gold, paint the arrow and the rest of the bow glowing blue. Voila! instant power bow. Or bow-saber if you like star wars



Sci Fi!

Lol that's as effective as Sword-Chucks or a Light Saber Whip.

Damn... Everyone hating in Tzzangors, and I've been sitting on this Beastmen box I grabbed for discount a few years ago. I've been trying to fit them into my Death Guard list as Pestigors, with no idea what unit to count them as.

Brian888 wrote:
According to Spiky Bits, one of the items revealed yesterday was that the Sons have an ability called "Spire of the Webway" that can be used on Tzaangors and units with Tzeentch and Thousand Sons keywords to teleport them. If this is the actual deep-strike stratagem, then maybe Magnus can use it after all (and he desperately needs protection from gun-heavy armies that can vaporize him in the first turn).

I seriously doubt it. It would be the fifth such stratagem (Caraftworlds, Drukhari, Harlequins and Custodes all have one) and in every case it specifies Infantry and Bikers (and Beasts for the Drukhari which was nice), it would be a significant difference if it allowed Monsters as well.

Yes, I know Craftworlders also have the Cloudstrike Stratagem for their vehicles but you can't use it at the same time as Webway Strike and was a way to give Falcons their abilites back.

On the other hand, it could be like the Daemons Stratagem and specifies the CP cost based on PL.

I almost think the ability to deep-strike Magnus is necessary. He no longer has his reroll, and no longer has that awesome protection from the Changeling. Against any decent shooting army he's toast if the Sons can't go first, and he usually almost a quarter of our points value by himself.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Damn... Everyone hating in Tzzangors, and I've been sitting on this Beastmen box I grabbed for discount a few years ago. I've been trying to fit them into my Death Guard list as Pestigors, with no idea what unit to count them as.

Either cultists (do deathguard even get those?) or plague zombies, I would think.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Damn... Everyone hating in Tzzangors, and I've been sitting on this Beastmen box I grabbed for discount a few years ago. I've been trying to fit them into my Death Guard list as Pestigors, with no idea what unit to count them as.

Either cultists (do deathguard even get those?) or plague zombies, I would think.

They do get cultists, yeah.

 Imateria wrote:

Brian888 wrote:
According to Spiky Bits, one of the items revealed yesterday was that the Sons have an ability called "Spire of the Webway" that can be used on Tzaangors and units with Tzeentch and Thousand Sons keywords to teleport them. If this is the actual deep-strike stratagem, then maybe Magnus can use it after all (and he desperately needs protection from gun-heavy armies that can vaporize him in the first turn).

I seriously doubt it. It would be the fifth such stratagem (Caraftworlds, Drukhari, Harlequins and Custodes all have one) and in every case it specifies Infantry and Bikers (and Beasts for the Drukhari which was nice), it would be a significant difference if it allowed Monsters as well.

Yes, I know Craftworlders also have the Cloudstrike Stratagem for their vehicles but you can't use it at the same time as Webway Strike and was a way to give Falcons their abilites back.

On the other hand, it could be like the Daemons Stratagem and specifies the CP cost based on PL.

It cost 2 CP to deep strike the 30 tzaangors, which hints at it working the same way as the Chaos Daemons stratagem. No certainty, of course, we'll have to wait and see.

Brian888 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Damn... Everyone hating in Tzzangors, and I've been sitting on this Beastmen box I grabbed for discount a few years ago. I've been trying to fit them into my Death Guard list as Pestigors, with no idea what unit to count them as.

Either cultists (do deathguard even get those?) or plague zombies, I would think.

They do get cultists, yeah.

Tzaangors are too big to be cultists, they come on 32 mm bases. Maybe use them as melee-spec'd plague marines?

 anticitizen013 wrote:
I came here for Thousand Sons rumours. All I got was people bickering about bows in 40k and insulting each others intelligence. I am disappoint. Tzeentch would not be happy.

Seconded. Some serious wallowing going on here.

I’m excited for the codex, can’t wait to give it a try!

Mutalith does NOT have an invul this was specifically mentioned in the stream.

From the stream Storm bolter from Land Raider shoots at Enlightened, hits with 4 wounds with 3, 3 dice were 4 1 and 6, 2 models removed they have 1 wound.

EDIT: WTF this forum is trolling me.

Tzaangor Enlighteneds have 4 wounds in AoS, 3 if they are on foot. Having just 1 wound in W40K would be a big departure, bigger than Tzaangors going from 2W to 1W.

 Galas wrote:
EDIT: WTF this forum is trolling me.

Tzaangor Enlighteneds have 4 wounds in AoS, 3 if they are on foot. Having just 1 wound in W40K would be a big departure, bigger than Tzaangors going from 2W to 1W.

Discs add a wound in AoS and Tzaangors in AoS are the "elite" troops, in 40k they are a cheap glass cannon unit designed to do a bunch of damage before dying. Discs don't add wounds to Lords and Sorcs why would they add wounds to Tzaangors?

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:

 Galas wrote:
EDIT: WTF this forum is trolling me.

Tzaangor Enlighteneds have 4 wounds in AoS, 3 if they are on foot. Having just 1 wound in W40K would be a big departure, bigger than Tzaangors going from 2W to 1W.

Discs add a wound in AoS and Tzaangors in AoS are the "elite" troops, in 40k they are a cheap glass cannon unit designed to do a bunch of damage before dying. Discs don't add wounds to Lords and Sorcs why would they add wounds to Tzaangors?

no but they should. They already lose their own re-roll unless that's taken away or changed.

Unless they’re cheap or deployed via DS I’m not sure how anyone’s going to keep them alive to do anything. I

In AoS, Enlightened and Skyfires have double the wounds of normal Tzaangors, not +1. Even with the role-change for Tzaangors from elite infantry to fodder infantry in 40K, it still seemed a safe bet the Enlightened would at least have 2 Wounds each. I'm incredibly surprised it's not the case, and given the theoretical damage output of at least the bow unit, it sounds like they will be more of a glass hammer unit than anything else which doesn't necessarily bode well for the melee variants - it will all come down to costs.