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BrianDavion wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
If GW had comparable confirmed, committed demand for plastic Sisters, I'm sure they'd do it.

The thing is GW could quite easily confirm the massive demans by simply asking the community or looking online but they do not, and will not.
The demand is there but GW would rather torment the fans than make money.

How much did not-Sisters make from Raging Heroes? Almost nothing.

I was under the impression they did reasonably well. I would have ordered some myself but as I play in a local GW it would have been wasted money

For Raging Heroes, they did OK.

For GW, it was barely a penny

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
If GW had comparable confirmed, committed demand for plastic Sisters, I'm sure they'd do it.

The thing is GW could quite easily confirm the massive demans by simply asking the community or looking online but they do not, and will not.
The demand is there but GW would rather torment the fans than make money.

How much did not-Sisters make from Raging Heroes? Almost nothing.

I was under the impression they did reasonably well. I would have ordered some myself but as I play in a local GW it would have been wasted money

For Raging Heroes, they did OK.

For GW, it was barely a penny

sure, but this is a third party source from an internet ordering place. thats not the same as a GW plastic sisters. so far the best data we have is celestine and that resin cannonness. which seem to be quite popular

Really you cant confirm demand by asking the community. Theres an extremely vocal minority of SoB haters that skew any such data.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
(GW released a few plastic Sisters of Battle along with Celestine -- apparently, that didn't satisfy the couple vocal SoB players still out there)

The only other plastic Sisters they released alongside Celestine are packaged with her - the Geminae.

You really seem to have a massive dislike for the SoB - any particular reason?

I think someone did an estimate on the how/what plastic kits for SoB. With the way that GW has been doing some duel plastic kits, possible kit combos could look like this

BSS / Celestians
Dominions / Retributers (special / heavy weapon sprue swap)
Serephim
Repentia

vehicles - A plastic Penitent engine and a plastic version of the exorcist would be nice. TBH it would be nice if GW listed the current SoB Immolator kits as a duel SoB rhino/Immolator kit.

On the back of this thread I was interested to see how many people own and play with them.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/751091.page

 Dysartes wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
(GW released a few plastic Sisters of Battle along with Celestine -- apparently, that didn't satisfy the couple vocal SoB players still out there)

The only other plastic Sisters they released alongside Celestine are packaged with her - the Geminae.

You really seem to have a massive dislike for the SoB - any particular reason?

Let's start by recognizing that I own a fully-functional & playable Sisters of Battle force.

I just don't believe that the economics will ever justify plastic Sisters, no matter how much people whine.

I, for one, will not buy any new Sisters models if they came out in plastic or otherwise, and I doubt anyone else would. The metal Sisters of Battle look great and are cheap enough at full GW MSRP, so there's no need to make them in plastic.

Of course, I've stopped buying non-M2O GW for quite a while, and don't intend to buy any of their new stuff, either.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
(GW released a few plastic Sisters of Battle along with Celestine -- apparently, that didn't satisfy the couple vocal SoB players still out there)

The only other plastic Sisters they released alongside Celestine are packaged with her - the Geminae.

You really seem to have a massive dislike for the SoB - any particular reason?

Let's start by recognizing that I own a fully-functional & playable Sisters of Battle force.

I just don't believe that the economics will ever justify plastic Sisters, no matter how much people whine.

I, for one, will not buy any new Sisters models if they came out in plastic or otherwise, and I doubt anyone else would. The metal Sisters of Battle look great and are cheap enough at full GW MSRP, so there's no need to make them in plastic.

Of course, I've stopped buying non-M2O GW for quite a while, and don't intend to buy any of their new stuff, either.

Hmm I would buy plastics tomorrow - have bought "not Sisters" from other suppliers.

The thread here suggests that quite a few other people would as well

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/751091.page

SoB don't need to be the most popular thing ever to be profitable, they only need to be about as popular than Genestealer Cults or Fyreslayers.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
If GW had comparable confirmed, committed demand for plastic Sisters, I'm sure they'd do it.

The thing is GW could quite easily confirm the massive demans by simply asking the community or looking online but they do not, and will not.
The demand is there but GW would rather torment the fans than make money.

How much did not-Sisters make from Raging Heroes? Almost nothing.

I was under the impression they did reasonably well. I would have ordered some myself but as I play in a local GW it would have been wasted money

For Raging Heroes, they did OK.

For GW, it was barely a penny

$1.5m across two projects, with nothing like the exposure or ubiquity that GW would bring to the table.

That's enough to get GW's attention.


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You have a weird idea of "almost nothing."

Well I guess it's safe to assume that everyone who got stratagems in the chapter approved will get a fully fledged codex. They are just supposed to be placeholders till everybody can have their book.

Since GW said they would complete the update all the codex's cycle this year I guess sisters will get a new codex by December.

I can't see them getting their own codex but no new models? Could see a Death Guard style release for them by the end of the year?

If they endup nerfing celestine in soup armies I think a lot of people would pick up at least a couple boxes of plastic sisters (a battalion worth) instead of just letting such a beautiful model just sit on a shelf (at least I would, she's my favorite model I've ever painted myself.)

 Azreal13 wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
If GW had comparable confirmed, committed demand for plastic Sisters, I'm sure they'd do it.

The thing is GW could quite easily confirm the massive demans by simply asking the community or looking online but they do not, and will not.
The demand is there but GW would rather torment the fans than make money.

How much did not-Sisters make from Raging Heroes? Almost nothing.

I was under the impression they did reasonably well. I would have ordered some myself but as I play in a local GW it would have been wasted money

For Raging Heroes, they did OK.

For GW, it was barely a penny

$1.5m across two projects, with nothing like the exposure or ubiquity that GW would bring to the table.

That's enough to get GW's attention.


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You have a weird idea of "almost nothing."

Not-Sisters didn't come anywhere near close to getting $1.5M. At best, they were 1/3 of $800k in the 2nd TGG KS, or $266k. Pretending that they got $the full $800k spend, it's still less than 1% of GW's $120M annual revenue.

I was wrong. Sisters would be *less* than a penny to GW. More like pocket lint.

 Eldrad Ulthran wrote:
I can't see them getting their own codex but no new models?

This is what quite a few of the 8ed dex releases have been. Dex, cards, maybe dice. Why would GW suddenly treat them like Astartes of either stripe? The index is arguably the best "Sisters" and not "Sisters and all these other guys" dex we have ever had. Sisters are a very small % of armies out there, couldn't tell you how many shops I have gone into while traveling for work who have never had a Sisters army there before or how often I have heard from players that they have never seen one before. Sisters players may be vocal, though our small number and reliance on decades old collections to field our armies doesn't support a gigantic untapped wave of purchases headed for GW if they do release plastic Sisters.

A large portion of my 8ed 2k list was bought on the day they were first released over 20 years ago. Apart from the rush to amass 45 SB Doms, I haven't bought a single Sisters model except for Veridyan in over a decade. I have a huge collection of Sisters, but none of it represents new purchases for GW.

I would be very very surprised if Sisters got more than just a Dex. Which is again most likely to be rolled into some form of IA like the 7ed dex was. I just want some objective and strategem cards with a gol dumb Fleur-de-lys on them dagnabbit! Give me that and I'm good for another couple decades.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:


Not-Sisters didn't come anywhere near close to getting $1.5M. At best, they were 1/3 of $800k in the 2nd TGG KS, or $266k. Pretending that they got $the full $800k spend, it's still less than 1% of GW's $120M annual revenue.

I was wrong. Sisters would be *less* than a penny to GW. More like pocket lint.

It's all in how you present the numbers: an off brand set of models in a less popular medium than plastic possibly raised as much as 266K on a speculative platform like Kickstarter.

But we've seen some weird things as of late. Was anyone caterwauling for GSC?

 fox-light713 wrote:
I think someone did an estimate on the how/what plastic kits for SoB. With the way that GW has been doing some duel plastic kits, possible kit combos could look like this

BSS / Celestians
Dominions / Retributers (special / heavy weapon sprue swap)
Serephim
Repentia

vehicles - A plastic Penitent engine and a plastic version of the exorcist would be nice. TBH it would be nice if GW listed the current SoB Immolator kits as a duel SoB rhino/Immolator kit.

Based on how GW handled the Primaris and the Custodes, I think we're moving away from having units share the same base model unless they have completely different load outs (Intercessors and Hellblasters for example) and are sold seperately. Basically no kit sharing means more money through selling kits instead of people converting from extra stuff they have or shuffling models around to cover gaps to run stuff.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Hmm I would buy plastics tomorrow - have bought "not Sisters" from other suppliers.

The thread here suggests that quite a few other people would as well

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/751091.page

I'd be careful with trying to assume things from your thread.

Bear in mind that you're asking only a small subset of a group a very specific question and many of those people who aren't interested in the topic won't even bother to click or vote.

It's the forum equivalent of going into a pub and asking who wants a drink then using this as some basis that there is a massive demand for alcoholic beverages everywhere.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
(GW released a few plastic Sisters of Battle along with Celestine -- apparently, that didn't satisfy the couple vocal SoB players still out there)

The only other plastic Sisters they released alongside Celestine are packaged with her - the Geminae.

You really seem to have a massive dislike for the SoB - any particular reason?

Let's start by recognizing that I own a fully-functional & playable Sisters of Battle force.

I just don't believe that the economics will ever justify plastic Sisters, no matter how much people whine.

I, for one, will not buy any new Sisters models if they came out in plastic or otherwise, and I doubt anyone else would. The metal Sisters of Battle look great and are cheap enough at full GW MSRP, so there's no need to make them in plastic.

Of course, I've stopped buying non-M2O GW for quite a while, and don't intend to buy any of their new stuff, either.

Hmm I would buy plastics tomorrow - have bought "not Sisters" from other suppliers.

The thread here suggests that quite a few other people would as well

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/751091.page

You know that your thread is worse than worthless, right?

It's asking whether you own any Sisters, not whether you would commit to buying a complete, new competition-sized army of Sisters of Battle within 1 year of release - which is what GW actually cares about. If GW spent the money to tool plastic Sisters, then they would need to get adequate returns on that investment. GW would probably need something like a million dollars in committed purchases to even consider it -- at least 2,500 backers spending at least $400 each.

Not knowing that a couple dozen people claim to possess a couple hundred bucks worth of 20-year-old models, possibly purchased on discount from a clearance bin... and that there's another couple dozen people who might buy an army if GW went plastic. Share that with GW, and it'd only confirm how few Sisters players there are, and how little value there is in developing *anything* for them. Ohh... the vocal few might buy 2 dozen Codex books. And other couple dozen might buy armies. Maybe. And out of the 1,000s of people on Dakka, barely 100 even bothered to respond. It's the kind of numbers that suggest GW would be better off Squatting Sisters entirely.

So yeah, go ahead, share that with GW and see what they say.


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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
It's the forum equivalent of going into a pub and asking who wants a drink then using this as some basis that there is a massive demand for alcoholic beverages everywhere.

More like walking into the biggest pub in London, shouting "We demand haggis!", and then finding only the one table of Scots says Yea! and the other table of Americans are drunk enough to consider it.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:


Not-Sisters didn't come anywhere near close to getting $1.5M. At best, they were 1/3 of $800k in the 2nd TGG KS, or $266k. Pretending that they got $the full $800k spend, it's still less than 1% of GW's $120M annual revenue.

I was wrong. Sisters would be *less* than a penny to GW. More like pocket lint.

You're completely clueless. That a third party manufacturer that most people haven't even heard of could make that much is a great indication that this would be quite profitable to GW.

I think what people forget is that RH are not the only ones doing Not-Sisters. There are quite a few 3rd party studios making not-sisters and conversion bits so if anything there is most likely quite some demand for them.

I personally would be more worried about GW squatting Sisters because there is so much demand being met outside their production lines rather than there is no demand at all(if there were no demand they wouldn't even bother selling the metal ones).

I currently don't own any sisters and would totally drop $ on a plastic army. I hated metal minis back in RT and still hate them now.

At least allow forgeworld to make them in resin, that way they'll cost slightly less than $100 a squad.

I sure hope that GW will "gak or get off the pot".