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Step one, realise that these books have no resale value after the edition changes
Step two, set aside a couple of hours with all the documents
Step three, actually update your rule book and codex

Now you only need to carry two books. You're welcome.

Or just buy the digital codex and rule book and they are updated with most of the changes.
Sorry for all the gronards print books are largely obsolete they don’t magically update themselves.

Battlescribe data maintainer chiming in:

1) it is meant as a tool to ease the burden of needing to remember things from multiple different sources and all the updates when writing a list, it is NOT and NEVER WILL BE meant as a replacement.

2) Reading your codex is still on you. there are a ton of things in the codex that have no place in the dataset (and never will) because they exist in the rulebook or are part of overarching army construction (those 2-page prefaces to the datasheets? those are important)

We still get a ton of bug reports from people who have obviously never looked in chapter approved or the faqs

3) While we strive to be as up to date as possible, we are ultimately a group of volunteers doing this for free. Things may get missed and some things may not be updated on time. I know I missed a few things with the initial drukhari update because of the raw number of profiles to compare. Chaos currently is waiting on a bunch of Big FAQ updates because the guy who has primary on those files had other things to attend to.

Bottom line: We encourage the use of Battlescribe to make quick and easy lists, but if you want 100% accuracy (and especially for events) its on you to check your lists and read and know your rules.

edit: for clarity the sub/supporter tag goes purely to the creator of the program, who has no affiliation with the guys that make the data set beyond us pestering him for bugfixes now and then.

edit the 2nd:

drbored wrote:
A. Use battlescribe. Points changes are plugged into there for you. When GW comes out with their own 40k list builder, hopefully it will have matched play point values as well.

I hate to say it, but only the very small minority that have actually worked on the BS data files for a moderate length of time know how painful getting everything correct actually is. GW hasn't even managed it with Azyr for AoS, and the burnout rate in the 40k BS maintainer group is pretty high (average new person that wants to help lasts 2-3 weeks)

I'll use the easiest example: the Designer Commentary and a consistent stance on how to implement it. There are a large number of conflicts caused by GW's own wording and examples, for multiple different entries, to the point where eventually the decision was taken to just support as many non-mutually exclusive interpretations that could 'Possibly' be valid.

 djones520 wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
Solution: Don't play 40K, and subsequently don't post threads about it?

"Man, these gas prices are so high, it's kind of ridiculous"

"Well, don't drive the car you spent 20 grand on. It's that simple."

That's what that sounds like.

Given the creator of the thread has been clearly making topics like this in a large manner of ways to nitpick or in general trying to get people to dislike the game.. It's very valid.

gungo wrote:
Or just buy the digital codex and rule book and they are updated with most of the changes.

I couldn't see any information on the GW website about digital codexes getting updates. Do both the ePub and Enhanced versions get automatically updated? You say 'most' changes. What updates aren't included?

 djones520 wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
Solution: Don't play 40K, and subsequently don't post threads about it?

"Man, these gas prices are so high, it's kind of ridiculous"

"Well, don't drive the car you spent 20 grand on. It's that simple."

That's what that sounds like.

Is there a specific fallacy name for when people use a car comparison? Because there should be.

I don’t play that often so the twice yearly updates of 8th edition are overwhelming. My small group is sticking with 7th Edition for now because we also play Horus Heresy and its hard enough to remember all the rules in one set without swapping back and forth.

I like that they try to fix things, but I think changes should be limited to points costs that are freely available online. Leave the rules alone throughout the same edition.

The things to add during an edition should be new missions, campaign rules, ways to play like Kill Teams, etc. That keeps things fresh without invalidating the previous rules and they are only options and additions, not core rules.

Besides that, I play Orks and I don’t want to buy an index that is just points costs that will likely be obsolete almost immediately. I don’t mind buying codices knowing they will be obsolete in a few years but an index without the fluff just doesn’t seem worth it.

 djones520 wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
Solution: Don't play 40K, and subsequently don't post threads about it?

"Man, these gas prices are so high, it's kind of ridiculous"

"Well, don't drive the car you spent 20 grand on. It's that simple."

That's what that sounds like.

If driving your car was a hobby...then yes, that's exactly the same thing. You should read some of BCB other inane and pointless threads. The forum is awash with them.

Anyone know the answer to this?

 deathwinguk wrote:
I couldn't see any information on the GW website about digital codexes getting updates. Do both the ePub and Enhanced versions get automatically updated? What updates aren't included?

 deathwinguk wrote:
Anyone know the answer to this?

 deathwinguk wrote:
I couldn't see any information on the GW website about digital codexes getting updates. Do both the ePub and Enhanced versions get automatically updated? What updates aren't included?

Epubs have never been updated, even to fix things like LITERALLY MISSING rules in the Dark Angel codex. Enhanced ones have apparently been updated but I am not an apple fanboy so I don't own anything apple to see.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 deathwinguk wrote:
Anyone know the answer to this?

 deathwinguk wrote:
I couldn't see any information on the GW website about digital codexes getting updates. Do both the ePub and Enhanced versions get automatically updated? What updates aren't included?

Epubs have never been updated, even to fix things like LITERALLY MISSING rules in the Dark Angel codex. Enhanced ones have apparently been updated but I am not an apple fanboy so I don't own anything apple to see.

Well as someone who has a Samsung Galaxy and a Chromebook it seems like digital codexes wouldn't help me either...

As someone who prefers Android phones and Apple tablets I can only aspire to piss off both groups of fanboys.

 meleti wrote:
As someone who prefers Android phones and Apple tablets I can only aspire to piss off both groups of fanboys.

Only if the Enhanced version actually gets all the updates...

 Sim-Life wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
Solution: Don't play 40K, and subsequently don't post threads about it?

"Man, these gas prices are so high, it's kind of ridiculous"

"Well, don't drive the car you spent 20 grand on. It's that simple."

That's what that sounds like.

Is there a specific fallacy name for when people use a car comparison? Because there should be.

False equivalence fallacy is the closest I can think of.

Fun car fact. Bigger more expensive cars use more fuel. So be carefull what you buy, Upkeep is a bitch.

At least each time you top up you can get all your fuel from the same pump

Have we taken the car analogy far enough now?

 Earth127 wrote:
Fun car fact. Bigger more expensive cars use more fuel. So be carefull what you buy, Upkeep is a bitch.

Ah, the old "You can afford to buy a Ferrari, but can you afford to own one?" I know many guys in their 20's who thought buying a $10K used Ferrari from 1992 was going to be a good idea.

tneva82 wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
8th will literally never be done, welcome to a living rules set. It has its flaws, but at least nothing stays totally overwhelming for very long.

Well until 9th comes out anyway in a year or two.

You know, I would be fine if a year or two down the line they release "9th" and it's just 8th with all the FAQs rolled into it, as a slim paperback rulebook with no lore. I would pay 20 for that.

I played a game last Saturday at the FLGS. I took the Craftworld Codex and the rules leaflet. The FAQ I can download through the phone if any rule ambiguities come up. Doesn't happen that often, but you never know.

That is technically just 2 documents I had to take with me.

Sorry, correction. I took also Battletome: Daughter's of Khaine and the rules leaflet for Age of Sigmar so total of 4 documents.

I don't get why people think they need to carry everything with them. Not unless they are facing opponents who demand to go point over point like damn IRS accountant before battle starts.

Battlescribe is more up to date when list building and general unit rules I have found than the oddly placed stuff from GW.

Hats off to the maintainers of the data.

Over time it will be an even more useful tool due to even more "hard copy updates" from GW.

Vaxx wrote:
Battlescribe is more up to date when list building and general unit rules I have found than the oddly placed stuff from GW.

Hats off to the maintainers of the data.

Over time it will be an even more useful tool due to even more "hard copy updates" from GW.

I agree, BS people are doing the Emperor's Work.

I feel the new GW system is great. They are actively listening to the community and updating their rules.
However I feel they're too hooked on paper. A living ruleset would work much better with a living online document that gets updated, removing any outdated information.

 Mayk0l wrote:
I feel the new GW system is great. They are actively listening to the community and updating their rules.
However I feel they're too hooked on paper. A living ruleset would work much better with a living online document that gets updated, removing any outdated information.

But then they couldn't sell it..... not nearly as easily anyway (actually all they had to do was make an azyr for 40k and id be pretty happy)

besides if it wasn't for paper where would we get our leaks .

 BaconCatBug wrote:

If I were just starting out, I'd simply not bother trying to get into 40k.

Man I’m glad you didn’t play in any of the earlier editions. We needed to have in 7th Core Rulebook, Core FAQ, Codex, and Codex FAQ. And then if you played in tourneys every tournament had its own rules packets with their own missions. The rules were so hard to find that you literally had to comb through hundreds of pages to find out how Gargantuan creatures worked. And don’t get me started on how vehicles had different stats than other units it made no sense.

Honestly there is a level of complexity that you have to get over when learning any game. Even a simple board game. There are many tutorials online and batreps to explain the rules. I haven’t purchased anything other than the main rulebook and my index(Orks) and I’ve been fine. Yes there have been points changes in the Chapter Approved but I prefer Power Level. (If I have to use points my free BattleScribe has those).

Aside from my army I’ve spent probably 70$ US in the last year on 8th Edition.

I started at the tail end of 2nd, so really my first edition was 3rd. I quit when 6th came about because it was a mess. I luckily skipped the dumpster fire that was 7th.

 Mayk0l wrote:
I feel the new GW system is great. They are actively listening to the community and updating their rules.
However I feel they're too hooked on paper. A living ruleset would work much better with a living online document that gets updated, removing any outdated information.

Some of us prefer paper.

I played a game last night, I brought Codex, Rulebook and CA. Played a great game went down to the wire.

We managed to play without 11 documents, who knew

 lolman1c wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
8th will literally never be done, welcome to a living rules set. It has its flaws, but at least nothing stays totally overwhelming for very long.

I'd rather not pay full price for unfinished rules.

It's like if you came home from GW with a box of space marines and you opened it up to find the heads were missing because GW hasn't decided on what style they want yet. Then you have to wait 6 months for these new heads and buy them only to fine out 90% of the style is just ripped from 7th and previous editions. XD

Poor analogy.

It is more like buying a game, then getting free patches to fix unforeseen issues, as opposed to paid DLC (which is what your example is)

They could do a subscription model, where you pay per month to get access to all the rules in a digital model and they will be kept up to date.

That way they get ongoing subscription style funding, rather than big gluts when the books come out, and we get to be kept up to date.

I did suggest that they produce datasheets as A5 size cards, which have version numbers on them. That way you can take them out of some kind of quick reference book and chance them when necessary, and you don't need to take all of the rules/sheets for things you don't have in your army.

For whatever it's worth, I started working on a revised edition and catch up on all rule changes I missed since CA in the process.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/755684.page