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I don't think anyone goes to a Predator film expecting it to be like the Royal Shakespeare Company.

 AduroT wrote:
Having a human earn the respect of and team up with a Predator is a common theme in several of the AvP stories, which is why that part of the first movie doesn’t bother me at all but was rather expected.

Also the acting has to be Really bad before I take notice of it. Very rarely will that ever be a complaint from me.

Her getting the mark after helping to kill the queen was fine. Except it wasnt an unblooded youth with no authority in the comics. It was a clan leader. The clan leader then giving her a piece of their tech as a trophy is 100% bs. Preds dont share their tech. They blow it up instead of letting anyone else get a hold of it.

Its also way more out of character for a pred who knows hes hunting aliens to black out, wake up from a surprise nap, not know that hes been infected by a face hugger and then not just blow himself and the whole temple to pieces instantly.

i don't the acting in AVP was terrible. I think earlier ITT Lance outlined some very good criticisms of the film - but I would say that the stuff mentioned is the difference between a fun film and what elevates a fun film to something more. AVP in my book is just a fun film. Only the original Predator and, to some extent, Predators is anything more than just a fun film. Right now, I think The Predator will be just another fun film - fun as in, it will make me smirk, it will make me roll my eyes, but it will make me genuinely smile a few times. As opposed to something like Terminator Genisys or the RoboCop remake, which were totally miserable and put me into a rotten mood as I walked out of the theater.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I don't think anyone goes to a Predator film expecting it to be like the Royal Shakespeare Company.

Yes! I want this! "Predator vs The Royal Shakespeare Company". We must do this!

It can be an avant garde comedy, where the performers think the predator is part of their new wave production, and the Predator believes he is taking trophies during some bizarre dynastic dispute.! Starring Michael McKean and Christopher Guest, with Jurgen Prochnow as the elusive director. OMG!

I remembered the super Predators and the classics being described as wolves instead of dogs in Predators. I did a little digging on The Predator to see if the "alpha" you guys are talking about is just reusing that same super vs classic. The only thing I got was that the new movie takes place between Predator 2 and Predators and that apparently the Predators are modifying their DNA with that of other species.

My take is that the alpha is just a super created by modifing their DNA. My guess is that this is something frowned upon by the classics and this movie kind of sets up that later feud. I'm not sure why we needed bigger, badder Predators to begin with so I'm not really thrilled they're back.

The black "super" predators were pretty good though. A predator that hunts predators is not a new concept. The idea that they modify their dna and then just hunt everything and anything isnt bad if done well. How its handled remains to be seen.

Oooo! Oooo! Oooo! I’m betting we find out the super predators were made/modified by humans as biological weapons/super soldiers but they escaped/went out of control and that’s why the classic predators and them don’t get along.

I kind of hope they just make all the super preds into a rogue clan/sub species that goes nuts on the genetic modifications and hunts. It's less about the code of honor and the trophy collecting and instead it's just about killing everything they can get their hands on.

Sort of expanding the Bad Blood predator into an entire clan who goes farther than just hunting preds into the genetic modification aspect.

It's hard for me to consider the Predator IP as a single, consistent setting. So I am not too concerned about how The Predator links up to anything else.

The super predator as an actual Army project would be different.

 Frazzled wrote:
The super predator as an actual Army project would be different.

There is precedent for humans cribbing off Predator tech, at least.

Forever Midnight mentioned that's how humans obtained FTL travel.

 Hoitash wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
The super predator as an actual Army project would be different.

There is precedent for humans cribbing off Predator tech, at least.

Forever Midnight mentioned that's how humans obtained FTL travel.

That doesnt make sense. Human ftl is serveral orders of magnitude slower than pred ftl. Which is why humanity needs cryo.

You would think if we stole their tech we would be more equivalent.

According to the Colonial Marines Technical Manual, the human FTL in Aliens has a sort of reverse time dilation, meaning the faster you are traveling (relative to light) the more subjective time you experience on your journey. So, for a trip of 4 light years that takes you 3 and a half years (for non FTL people) the shipboard time will be much less than if you make the same 4 light year journey in a month (as experienced by non FTL frames of reference). Faster real world speed='slower' onboard speed. So the reason human ships need cryosleep tubes is because they are so fast.

Isn’t that supposed to be how actual speed works? The closer to light you get the more relative time slows down?

One thing I forgot to mention that really bothered me about the movie when I looked into it (I was falling asleep at the time), apparently they're using the troupe of the kid with autism has a special ability that is key to the plot.

 AduroT wrote:
Isn’t that supposed to be how actual speed works? The closer to light you get the more relative time slows down?

Yeah, but this is on the other side of light speed.

Regardless. Pred tech doesnt experience that. Their ships are ftl capable without massive time dilation AND are capable of easily catching up to, intercepting, then matching and docking with human ships.

If human ftl was reverse engineered from pred ftl then humans would be capable of many of the same feats and speeds and they are not.

Also i looked into that story. Apparently that guy decided to rename the predators the hish instead of sticking with the decades old yautja. The hish means "those who take territory" which we have never seen any predator do. They are not conquerors. They go on safari.

I would take ANY information from that authors books as some of the least reliable sources there is.

 Lance845 wrote:

I would take ANY information from that authors books as some of the least reliable sources there is.

Agreed. I just wanted to point out the precedent was there, as Pred/Alien lore is about as fluid as most other comic books lores at this point.

 Lance845 wrote:
Regardless. Pred tech doesnt experience that. Their ships are ftl capable without massive time dilation AND are capable of easily catching up to, intercepting, then matching and docking with human ships.

If human ftl was reverse engineered from pred ftl then humans would be capable of many of the same feats and speeds and they are not.

Also i looked into that story. Apparently that guy decided to rename the predators the hish instead of sticking with the decades old yautja. The hish means "those who take territory" which we have never seen any predator do. They are not conquerors. They go on safari.

I would take ANY information from that authors books as some of the least reliable sources there is.

Have we ever seen Predict ships interact with human ships? Just in some of the novels?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Regardless. Pred tech doesnt experience that. Their ships are ftl capable without massive time dilation AND are capable of easily catching up to, intercepting, then matching and docking with human ships.

If human ftl was reverse engineered from pred ftl then humans would be capable of many of the same feats and speeds and they are not.

Also i looked into that story. Apparently that guy decided to rename the predators the hish instead of sticking with the decades old yautja. The hish means "those who take territory" which we have never seen any predator do. They are not conquerors. They go on safari.

I would take ANY information from that authors books as some of the least reliable sources there is.

Have we ever seen Predict ships interact with human ships? Just in some of the novels?

Novels and comics. They have been capable of intercepting military and trade ships moving at (presumably) max speeds with their hull breaching causing the automated systems to wake the crew from cryo. Pred ships are able to maneuver around a speeding human ship as though it was standing still.

Then why didn't you start with that? You started out by saying human ships were slow, which is why they "need cryo"...which makes no sense when the faster the human ship is the more Cryo it needs.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Then why didn't you start with that? You started out by saying human ships were slow, which is why they "need cryo"...which makes no sense when the faster the human ship is the more Cryo it needs.

Because having FTL doesn't mean much when it still takes you years to get between solar systems.

Alpha Centurai is over 4 years away from our sun at light speed. If our FTL makes that trip 3 years instead it's still means you need cryo to make any trip of any meaningful distance in space. Humanities ships in the AVP universe are SLOW. They require cryo so everyone doesn't waste their lives going there and back again.

Especially when you consider the astronomical speeds Pred and Promethean ships can travel at without insane time dilation or drastic travel times.

Consider that in AVP-R the Pred ship crashes in the woods. It sends out it's distress signal and the Wolf Pred gets the signal and launches his single man ship from an alien world. He is able to reach Earth within 24-48 hours and long before any government body has a chance to discover the big Pred ship.

Thats insanity. Compare and contrast, Ripley's Nostromo, built for 3, drifted through the core worlds and got picked up on the other side. That took 57 years.

I think you misunderstood what I wrote. The cryo does not imply slow travel times for the humans. It has nothing to do with trips taking years. Do you have any evidence FTL trips even take that much time for STL observers or other spacecraft? FTL in Aliens doesn't require cryo sleep because the ships are slow, but rather because they are fast, causing subjective time expansion for those aboard even as the rest of the universe sees the ship zooming from A to B.

I'm pretty sure Ripley drifted so long because she was traveling slower than light in that escape shuttle.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I think you misunderstood what I wrote. The cryo does not imply slow travel times for the humans. It has nothing to do with trips taking years. Do you have any evidence FTL trips even take that much time for STL observers or other spacecraft? FTL in Aliens doesn't require cryo sleep because the ships are slow, but rather because they are fast, causing subjective time expansion for those aboard even as the rest of the universe sees the ship zooming from A to B.

I'm pretty sure Ripley drifted so long because she was traveling slower than light in that escape shuttle.

Yes, because every movie we have where they are talking about their travel times they are talking about those times in years. It happens in Prometheus, covenant, alien, aliens, etc etc...

Ripley's shuttle (actually named the Narcissus) was able to launch off the front of the Nostromo which was itself going at FTL speeds and was supposed to reach their destination in a couple of months. When you are measuring your travel distance from a place where you don't recognize the constellations to the known drop off point in months you are, for sure, traveling at FTL. The Narcissus was traveling at the speed of the nostromo + it's own launching speed which was fast enough to get away from the self destruct explosions.

By comparison to anything we actually have in the real world humanities ships are incredibly fast. But still very slow by other sci fi standards. The Enterprise and anything from SW is astronomically faster. But without needing to use hyperspace or warp tech the Predators seem to be able to at minimum keep pace with those franchises if not out pace them.

The Nostromo was moving at FTL speeds when it self-destructed?

Man, I didn't think either the humans or predators had FTL travel at all, period.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So, the military is hybridization the predators, presumably to make the deadliest predators on Earth? To use as weapons? Can you imagine if we'd had those bad boys at Tora Bora?

Where did you get that its the military hybridizing? The very next line is "They're upgrading on every planet they visit." Maybe the Preds are hybridizing themselves.

well picking up some decent pilot DNA would be an obvious improvement as they seem genetically unable to not crash into Earth everytime they come close

 Manchu wrote:
The Nostromo was moving at FTL speeds when it self-destructed?

They lifted off of LV-426. They reattached to the refinery/mining rig. And Lambert (their Navigator) makes a mention of them being on course and how long it will take before they reach their destination.

Another fresh trailer:




Still kind of meh, personally.

Now I am thinking the first "predator" is not actually a predator but someone in a predator suit (aka predator armor). The big one is an actual predator.

As above,, still meh.