The Quartering Dude was allegedly assaulted at Gencon 2018

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**zedmeister**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
He seems to be an Alt-Right Crybaby, opposed to women and change and anyone that’s not a whiny Alt-Right Crybaby. Think Alex Jones.

Provoke, get chinned. That’s entirely different from a mere difference of opinion.

Consider. You’re having a nice quiet drink, and someone starts having a go at you. This is someone confusing freedom of speech with freedom of consequence. This is not some lefty glassing a Tory Voter in the pub, just because they vote Tory. This isn’t a heated political conversation. This is someone giving it The Big I Am, including baseless accusations of paedophila here and there, and someone playing a little chin music with a tu’penny one up his bracket.

It’s not a sustained beating. It’s someone taking a too expedient method to shut his yap.

I've had a brief glance at this Quartering and he's crass and a bit of dick, for definite. But I've seen nothing that warrants getting assaulted.

In fact, back to my original question and, putting aside the personalities involved, is hitting someone a measured response to being crass, rude and obnoxious? Is Alex Jones in line for a beating because of what he posts? ? Allow me to be blunt: if someone disagrees with what you've posted online to such a degree, would hitting you be a measured response?

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

skyth wrote:
Nothing in Communism calls for the systematic killing of people. That's what happens when you have dictators using 'Communism' to seize power.

Contrast with Nazi's who's doctrine does indeed call for the systematic killing of people.

Except, you know, the Capitalist "oppressors" who rule and benefit from the Capitalist system and resist the Communist revolution? Overthrowing and eradicating the oppressing classes is the whole raison d'etre of Communism. Its historical revisionism to pretend otherwise.

**zedmeister**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
skyth wrote:
Nothing in Communism calls for the systematic killing of people. That's what happens when you have dictators using 'Communism' to seize power.

Contrast with Nazi's who's doctrine does indeed call for the systematic killing of people.

Except, you know, the Capitalist "oppressors" who rule and benefit from the Capitalist system and resist the Communist revolution? Overthrowing and eradicating the oppressing classes is the whole raison d'etre of Communism. Its historical revisionism to pretend otherwise.

"You there, hand over your private property and means to production"

"No"

Now what?!

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

zedmeister wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
He seems to be an Alt-Right Crybaby, opposed to women and change and anyone that’s not a whiny Alt-Right Crybaby. Think Alex Jones.

Provoke, get chinned. That’s entirely different from a mere difference of opinion.

Consider. You’re having a nice quiet drink, and someone starts having a go at you. This is someone confusing freedom of speech with freedom of consequence. This is not some lefty glassing a Tory Voter in the pub, just because they vote Tory. This isn’t a heated political conversation. This is someone giving it The Big I Am, including baseless accusations of paedophila here and there, and someone playing a little chin music with a tu’penny one up his bracket.

It’s not a sustained beating. It’s someone taking a too expedient method to shut his yap.

I've had a brief glance at this Quartering and he's crass and a bit of dick, for definite. But I've seen nothing that warrants getting assaulted.

In fact, back to my original question and, putting aside the personalities involved, is hitting someone a measured response to being crass, rude and obnoxious? Is Alex Jones in line for a beating because of what he posts? ? Allow me to be blunt: if someone disagrees with what you've posted online to such a degree, would hitting you be a measured response?

When they’re spreading lies and forcing division in any community?

By all means, stick one on them. Alex Jones in particular spreads some seriously disgusting bile. Child Actors, claiming school shootings are faked. Tommy ‘Stephen Yaxley-Lennon’ Robinson - serial liar. Britain First, serial liars. All helping to spread fear and mistrust to line their own pockets.

Chin them. It Is Never Wrong To Punch A Nazi. Ever. It’s the only thing that stops them.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

zedmeister wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
skyth wrote:
Nothing in Communism calls for the systematic killing of people. That's what happens when you have dictators using 'Communism' to seize power.

Contrast with Nazi's who's doctrine does indeed call for the systematic killing of people.

Except, you know, the Capitalist "oppressors" who rule and benefit from the Capitalist system and resist the Communist revolution? Overthrowing and eradicating the oppressing classes is the whole raison d'etre of Communism. Its historical revisionism to pretend otherwise.

"You there, hand over your private property and means to production"

"No"

Now what?!

"Dmitri, bring me my machine gun!"

**zedmeister**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
When they’re spreading lies and forcing division in any community?

By all means, stick one on them. Alex Jones in particular spreads some seriously disgusting bile. Child Actors, claiming school shootings are faked. Tommy ‘Stephen Yaxley-Lennon’ Robinson - serial liar. Britain First, serial liars. All helping to spread fear and mistrust to line their own pockets.

Chin them. It Is Never Wrong To Punch A Nazi. Ever. It’s the only thing that stops them.

Wow, alright, so you're actually advocating political violence? And you're alright being hit back in response? And how do you determine the bad 'uns? Whose "truth" do (the royal) we believe? That's a dark road to travel down...

I'll state that if someone is spreading lies, etc challenge them. Challenge their opinions. Show facts and defeat them in the public arena. Don't go for the guns or fists.

**Sasquatch**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
When they’re spreading lies and forcing division in any community?

So... its ok to hit Anita Sarkeesian now?

Weird standard but ok.

**Disciple of Fate**

Well the public arena seems to have given up on facts, so that last part is going to be a bit hard.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Chin them. It Is Never Wrong To Punch A Nazi. Ever. It’s the only thing that stops them.

Its a direct and deliberate escalation that reinforces the Nazi victim narrative and gives them carte blanche to respond in kind with even greater violence.
You punch a Nazi.
And he'll come back and stab you.

Is that what you want?

Using violence to suppress political groups merely strengthens them and drives more people to their cause, unless you're willing to go all the way and obliterate them with overwhelming lethal violence. But then you've just created a totalitarian state having sacrificed all the Liberal values that our societies were built on. Tolerance. Rule of Law. Freedom of Speech.

Is that what you want?

**AlmightyWalrus**

All that liberalism sure helped stop the Nazis last time around.

FWIW I don't think we're at a point where violence is required, but pretending that it's never justified is just baffling. We bombed the gak our of Germany last time around, it wasn't solved through reasoned debate.

**RiTides**

In responding to an alert, it looks like physical violence is being advocated / contemplated against specific people in this thread. This is not something we allow - at all - on Dakka. I will be following up with some of you via PM to make sure you understand this.

For everyone else, please remember this for the future - it's OK to express strong disagreement, but it is never OK to advocate that others take physical violence against specific people when posting on Dakka Dakka.