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Make e'm Scions then

Would be cool to have a movie from a Tau point of view, where humans are the bad guys, like in the Firewarrior game. That could show some unique aspects of the setting. However, it could end like avatar - and the Tau aren't THAT nice either .

You had your space marine film. It was called Ultramarines and it was gak. If it would have had better effects it would have still been gak.

IG would be bad choice too, you got that right. War film in space is still a war film. Go with an Inquisitor or a Rogue Trader and their pals. Those allow varied cast of weird characters and let the film to explore the setting from many different angles.

The Newman wrote:

Konradleijon wrote:
And it would Bomb so hard do you think the mainstream audience would be to a setting where the closest thing that aren’t the Taur to ‘hero’s’ that are basically space Nazi and would have a downer ending do you know how many successful Si-Fi over one hundred millions dollar movies have downer endings. You could probly count them on one hand.

Event Horizon. The last two Alien movies, and arguably Aliens. Starwars episodes 3 and 5. Infinity War part 1. The Twilight Zone. The Wrath of Khan. Adjusted for inflation I'm pretty sure you could include The Fly, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, and Planet of the Apes.

This guys gets it. We need Paul W.S. Anderson. He did the Resident Evil movies, and like them or not, he took a zombie video game and made 7 movies. Event Horizon is already a 40k movie. Make Larry Fishburne a Space Marine and there you go.

Realistically, it needs to be a Netflix series. Then there will be free reign to be grim and dark and Netflix will know exactly how many and when people watched it. Take Bright for an example. Critics were 'oh my god what a terrible gak show'. News and media then dogged the movie as a bomb. Netflix said everyone and their mother watched it and green lit a sequel in less than a week. 10 Episodes at an hour a pop gives you plenty of time to make something worthy. Approach it Game of Thrones style where you'll have 5 different story lines that eventually intertwine and feed into one together. Then you can have your SM bolter orgy, with some guardsmen humanity drama. Throw in a couple SoB to sell some sex, and bind it all together with a dashing rogue trader and a grumpy Inquisitor. From there you can planet hop through dangers and mini quests all while pursuing and unraveling the overarching meta.

Netflix has the ability to target the audience without dumping stupid amounts of money on advertising that disney does for Marvel. We aren't going to see Space Marines on backpacks in Wal-Mart. But, you watched Altered Carbon, Bright, Lord of the Rings, Blade Runner, Boss Baby and Marley and Me this week? You're going to love the series Dark Heresy. Let me go ahead and autoplay it for you since you left the room.

Konradleijon wrote:
I’m sure you’ll guys can think of more ways Hollywood would feth it up.[img]

It seems to my The only reason anybody cares about such adaptations in the First place is because of obsessive fanboyism and the age-old insecurity issues of animation, comics, Tabletop games, fantasy books and video games- the asinine idea that they're not real art and need a big boy medium like Film to have their visions truly realized.​

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Strong female lead sisters savings the universe from the hapless space marines males. Isn't something I'm excited to see.

The Allfather wrote:
I’m sure you’ll guys can think of more ways Hollywood would feth it up.[img]

It seems to my The only reason anybody cares about such adaptations in the First place is because of obsessive fanboyism and the age-old insecurity issues of animation, comics, Tabletop games, fantasy books and video games- the asinine idea that they're not real art and need a big boy medium like Film to have their visions truly realized.​

I don't think its completely to do with insecurity. Surely, it has some part. However, I want an MCU for 40k. The MCU for me is the gold standard of shared universe and modern sci-fi. The special effects are second to none. None of it looks "fake" or superimposed, and there has never been a better time for a 40k movie, with the same level of realistic looking armour as Iron Man 1 and 2, and the wizardiness dimesional mindsmash of Dr Strange, the comedic pessimism and dysfunction of Guardians of the Galaxy. It'd be a great way to translate across and see a live action 40k rather than poor, cheesy CGI space marines. However its not a necessity nor an insecurity. I for one whole-heartedly believe in the validity of animation, comics, etc as art. I have watched both One Punch Man and Rick and Morty repeatedly, both are more potent and intricate stories with better messages and plots than 99% of Netflix shows that get churned out.

yeah did you see what the MCU did to marvel comics and of not talking about the "forced diversty" the higher ups meddled to make them more like the movies but at the same time haveing lots events and relaunchs that leaves the noob audience confused

Konradleijon wrote:
yeah did you see what the MCU did to marvel comics and of not talking about the "forced diversty" the higher ups meddled to make them more like the movies but at the same time haveing lv eveents and relaunchs that leave the audice that

No sure what the last half of your post says, but this shouldn't be a problem if actual 40k fans and writers are consulted. 40k novels are already diverse enough in tone, character and style that the books don't need to change. MCU is an adaptation of Marvel characters, as is every version of every superhero. A comic book gets rewritten, reimagined, diversified, etc. 40k is only beginning to explore these areas so no rewrite is necessary and wouldn't suffer the same issues. The movies could be adaptations of various novels - the Horus Heresy is a good example, as are the Space Marine Battles like Damnos and the Fang. Or they could cover current events like the War for Armageddon and Octarius, with those events being canon to the wider universe without need for a novel.

Any studio even considering a 40k movie would take a look at the fanbase - like on this forum - and drop the notion.

The fanbase isn't diverse enough, large enough, or flexible enough to accept drastic hollywood boardroom changes that would be needed to make the universe more palatable to wider audiences. It's quite likely it has been looked at several times. Studios are digging deep to find IPs with existing fanbases that could be turned into trilogies.

I haven't heard that there was a Space Marine movie before this thread - but if it did terrible, it would probably have been enough of an excuse itself for studios to not consider the IP.

To make things even more complex - studios also are likely to demand toy-production rights along with movie production rights. Since GW's current business *is* toys, it would likely cause a few issues.

SirWeeble wrote:
Any studio even considering a 40k movie would take a look at the fanbase - like on this forum - and drop the notion.

The fanbase isn't diverse enough, large enough, or flexible enough to accept drastic hollywood boardroom changes that would be needed to make the universe more palatable to wider audiences. It's quite likely it has been looked at several times. Studios are digging deep to find IPs with existing fanbases that could be turned into trilogies.

I haven't heard that there was a Space Marine movie before this thread - but if it did terrible, it would probably have been enough of an excuse itself for studios to not consider the IP.

To make things even more complex - studios also are likely to demand toy-production rights along with movie production rights. Since GW's current business *is* toys, it would likely cause a few issues.

Yeah, realistically a big (or even medium) budget Hollywood adaptation is not going to happen. I'd like to see some smaller studio do a short atmospheric vignette though.

I think you can do Space Marines as the protagonist and still have a nilhistic tone. You just have to be sure to show the typical human (guardsmen) getting flattened by the enemy, showing how little chance they have. You then show that the marines have the right stuff to succeed - but just barely so.

Again, I point to Helsreach; there’s a few scenes in there where we see how outclassed the guardsmen are against the orc attackers. The marines turn the tide in a heroic manner, but its a bit of a Pyrrhic victory, at an obvious cost in manpower and morale.

There's also a scene where the humans save the Marines

 Deadshot wrote:

Konradleijon wrote:
yeah did you see what the MCU did to marvel comics and of not talking about the "forced diversty" the higher ups meddled to make them more like the movies but at the same time haveing lv eveents and relaunchs that leave the audice that

No sure what the last half of your post says, but this shouldn't be a problem if actual 40k fans and writers are consulted. 40k novels are already diverse enough in tone, character and style that the books don't need to change. MCU is an adaptation of Marvel characters, as is every version of every superhero. A comic book gets rewritten, reimagined, diversified, etc. 40k is only beginning to explore these areas so no rewrite is necessary and wouldn't suffer the same issues. The movies could be adaptations of various novels - the Horus Heresy is a good example, as are the Space Marine Battles like Damnos and the Fang. Or they could cover current events like the War for Armageddon and Octarius, with those events being canon to the wider universe without need for a novel.

I'm saying that Gee dubs might Retcon to be more paltrble to a main stream audience

Konradleijon wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

Konradleijon wrote:
yeah did you see what the MCU did to marvel comics and of not talking about the "forced diversty" the higher ups meddled to make them more like the movies but at the same time haveing lv eveents and relaunchs that leave the audice that

No sure what the last half of your post says, but this shouldn't be a problem if actual 40k fans and writers are consulted. 40k novels are already diverse enough in tone, character and style that the books don't need to change. MCU is an adaptation of Marvel characters, as is every version of every superhero. A comic book gets rewritten, reimagined, diversified, etc. 40k is only beginning to explore these areas so no rewrite is necessary and wouldn't suffer the same issues. The movies could be adaptations of various novels - the Horus Heresy is a good example, as are the Space Marine Battles like Damnos and the Fang. Or they could cover current events like the War for Armageddon and Octarius, with those events being canon to the wider universe without need for a novel.

I'm saying that Gee dubs might Retcon to be more paltrble to a main stream audience

They retcon constantly to sell more stuff, this would be nothing new and at least then we'd get a lot more consistency in the retcons and when they happen. They've been taking Slaanesh out of the spotlight for a while now, even though they and others claim not to, the focus has definitely been moved away from them, along with other hardcore elements of the lore. 40k never appeals to a mainstream audience and no amount of retconning can fix that, because at its core its still a niche. It comes from the same guys who made the Fighting Fantasy books and they came from a DnD style background and so the elements of 40k will always appeal to those people. You can't retcon 40k enough to make it mainstream.

I'd personally rather see a more hardcore TV series from netflix or HBO as opposed to a movie. There is just no way to fit the scope of 40k into a single movie where it wont be either a giant mess trying to appease as many fans as possible with small glimpses of different factions while maintaining some kind of loose focus on a single one or an actual focused movie where 95% of the game wont make an appearance at all.

Also, space marines might be fun to read about but I'm guess they would be horrendously boring movie protagonists

Whould you like it to be animated or in live-action

An animated netflick series is probably the best way to go.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
An animated netflick series is probably the best way to go.

I'd vote against. Animated stuff somehow shows up in the kids departmemt. "You've watch Pokemon Orange League!We'd think you'd like Power Rangers and Attack on Titan!"

Is that enough to dismiss the medium though?

In any case, a netflick series would allow a wider view of the universe. And if there was a vote, I’d vote for a series following a rogue trader. That would really allow you to explore the universe. Could even be seen as a nice nod to its origins from edition 1.

 Crimson wrote:
Who cares about Deathwatch? They're fearless superdudes. Put human characters in that situation. If it is an inquisitorial retinue you can have one marine for contrast.

I don't know, I think you can leverage a black shield into a deathwatch strike force to add a bit of drama and do something along the lines of aliens with it otherwise. Have the renegade chapter the blackshield ditched from show up and run with the general lost brotherhood plot broken up by some xenos threat preying on both of them whenever they're distracted. It could work better as an isolated story than most other options because a brief discussion of heraldry and you have enough of the back story to know something might be up, make the target of the mission something juicy to setup the last few scenes as something truly nuts, then you've got super dudes with an actual story and room for stupidly over done effects.

Throwing a chapter into a straight up fight, that would be pretty boring, but there are hooks you can run with, even with space marines.

I think it whould be way too expensive in live-action

 Deadshot wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
An animated netflick series is probably the best way to go.

I'd vote against. Animated stuff somehow shows up in the kids departmemt. "You've watch Pokemon Orange League!We'd think you'd like Power Rangers and Attack on Titan!"

That has more to do with stupid staff than animation. Blame the notion that cartoons are inherently kid's stuff that seems to be prevalent in the US.

yeah netflex has lots of anime like devilman crybaby and as far as i know

Animation done properly would most likely be the best bet.

Animation would allow for all the strangest of 40k to really come through.

like Junji ito Beserk stuff/

I'd like to see a Hollywood 40k-movie... if it was done right. No compromises, no changes.

Of course, I do realize that it wouldn't be like most hollywood-movies and thus it wouldn't be made.

why do you want a Hollywood movie? why is almost every Fandom dream to become a Hollywood movie? HOLLYWOOD over rated anyways