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 Corennus wrote:
Recently picked up the new First Strike box which contains 3 Intercessor space marines, 3 reiver space marines, 3 poxwalker death guard and 3 Death Guard tac squad.

And it hit me that Games Workshop has (actually for a while) really gone overboard on making Plague Marines (AND TYRANIDS) almost too disgusting.

Now, i KNOW this is just a game, and part of the "allure" of the Death Guard (apart from FRICKING DISGUSITINGLY RESILIENT!!!) is their bloated disgusting nature. But you get all ages playing this game....and some of the stuff shown is definitely rated Mature...


Do you think GW goes too far on some of its Death Guard and Tyranid models as far as gore and digustingness goes? or do you think i'm just overthinking.

To be honest i can see where you're coming from but i had a strange realisation the other day, we decide whats horrific and disgusting based on our experiences, kids have a limited experiences to draw similarities to so to them models look cool but to us i guess we just have a little more scope when we look at these figures, for example:

1. When i was a kid Alien and Aliens was awesome, the face hugger and chest burster was just a cool gribbly alien, now with a little more age behind me and knowing what its like to have a tube down the throat, chest pains or any other persist ant pain i can now say yeah... that's nasty, these alien things suck!

2. Seeing Nurgle characters as a kid with slime and maggots and open wounds and being described as having the stench of death.... *shrug* cool.... Adult me after having to deal with a spilt bag of meat at a supermarket which had been left for a couple of days can now see just how horrible Nurgle is >.<

so yeah, i have no doubt that you see these new figures as pretty nasty disgusting and over the top but remember your seeing them with a life filter

 Grimtuff wrote:
But there, we have another example of Slaaneshi influence (a theme on extremes again), gluttony. Eating so much you're this fat hedonistic chaos worshipper that has beautiful Daemonettes prancing around them (I think I've just described a certain corner of the internet's fantasy there...).

How about those bad guys from kids movies who visit pain and suffering on others because they just revel in how evil they are?

The Age of Sigmar Nurgle line is pretty awesome, which you might find disgusting. With nurgle, in some places it's better, and in others it's worse depending on how you look at it. The old metal GUO had a butthole sculpted on it, and all the nurgle minis were a bit more frightening than they are now.

Personally I love the new details they are bringing into the minis, and it's a large portion of why I play Nurgle. Not only are they very interesting to paint, but the extra detail that GW is putting into them doesn't make conversions feel overly details.

My Porphyrion I just finished would seem a bit out of place if nurgle minis and daemon engines were not what they are today, especially the other forgeworld stuff, like Cor'Bax Utterblight.

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
I want some exclusivity from my hobby. I don’t want them to market warhammer to everyone like they did with Star Wars. To do so betrays the very nature of the setting. It’s brutal, bloody and horrific, I don’t want some child friendly bull gak bringing in a flood of Timmy’s. they’ve already done enough in recent years to try to make the game more accessible to new players, but enough is enough.

I like how people parrot this everywhere (but mostly on 4chan et consortes, in strawman threads) when Disney's Star Wars is more brutal than ever, with combat scenes in both Solo and Rogue One beating most 40K war depictions in brutality. Hell, change AT-somethings from Solo to Sentinels, give Imperial troops Cadian helmets, and you will get best 40K battle ever shown on screen. Child friendliness, eh?

Yes, mainline SW movies are family movies. So what? Not only they were always so, new movies are way more serious and dark than prequel gak Lucas made on his own, with zero oversight. New side SW movies? Way darker than 98% of anything ever done under SW banner.

I see nothing offensive in the models...I think they're ugly, but not offensive in the slightest.

I like how people parrot this everywhere (but mostly on 4chan et consortes, in strawman threads) when Disney's Star Wars is more brutal than ever, with combat scenes in both Solo and Rogue One beating most 40K war depictions in brutality. Hell, change AT-somethings from Solo to Sentinels, give Imperial troops Cadian helmets, and you will get best 40K battle ever shown on screen. Child friendliness, eh?

Yes, mainline SW movies are family movies. So what? Not only they were always so, new movies are way more serious and dark than prequel gak Lucas made on his own, with zero oversight. New side SW movies? Way darker than 98% of anything ever done under SW banner.

And I wasn't at all referring to the new Star Wars films which were IMO generally very good. In fact, Rogue One is my second favourite SW film after A New Hope. I even enjoyed The Last Jedi (shock!horror!). Disney has done a better job with the franchise than Lucas since the 80's.

I was talking about the abysmal prequel trilogy and the fact that I think Lucas whored out his IP to sell some toys.

I used SW as a reference because I feel it is the closest thing that 40K has to IP that is in the public eye. 40K is not a family friendly IP, and I don't want them selling out what makes it so great just to become a household name. It could do that on it's own merits.

 ServiceGames wrote:

 darkcloak wrote:
Definitely overthinking this one.

Perhaps a vividly detailed model might scare some kids, but I think too much of parenting is hiding facts and not enough discussion. Some parents would seriously get upset if their child was even exposed to a game like 40k because it "promotes violence" and thus they shield their kid from that exposure. Really what ought to happen when a kid gets traumatized by a particularly detailed model is the parents should sit them down and explain what the game is about and perhaps touch on the reality of life a bit.

I say let the kids see the scary things and then TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT!!!!!! We are startlingly ready to blind our children for their own perceived good and we really are just shooting ourselves in the foot.

Yeah, try explaining 40K or even AoS and what it is about to a two year old. Doesn't really work.

SG

Because we obviously would be talking to a 2 year old like that.

Come on.

Don't worry, when Slaanesh gets redone I hear they are providing special "17 or younger" goggles with each purchase that turn female breasts into harmless male nipples.

To each their own; I look at nurgle as a great opportunity to work on textures and various weathering techniques. It took me way longer to paint my Plague Marines than it did to paint any other army simply because I didn't want to throw a couple of dirty washes on them and say "right, proper grimy".

I think Nurgle models have the propensity to be some of the best painted mini's GW makes. The Golden Demon seems to confirm this. They don't have to look super gross:

Nooo! If anything it's not disgusting enough.

This is the dark world of the galaxy where the worst of the worst happens. Where every dark impulse is magnified to the ultimate degree. Nurgle is decay and rot... to the point where it exceeds beyond any sane level.

There's a time and place for everything. But Warhammer is one of my last save havens that I don't want going down into the "PC" crowd. Almost every other hobby/universe still active is going down that route, and I'd like this one to stay as dark as possible please. This is THE universe that doesn't need to be diluted with concern of how someone reacts to the literal personification of disease!

 Corennus wrote:
Recently picked up the new First Strike box which contains 3 Intercessor space marines, 3 reiver space marines, 3 poxwalker death guard and 3 Death Guard tac squad.

And it hit me that Games Workshop has (actually for a while) really gone overboard on making Plague Marines (AND TYRANIDS) almost too disgusting.

Now, i KNOW this is just a game, and part of the "allure" of the Death Guard (apart from FRICKING DISGUSITINGLY RESILIENT!!!) is their bloated disgusting nature. But you get all ages playing this game....and some of the stuff shown is definitely rated Mature...


Do you think GW goes too far on some of its Death Guard and Tyranid models as far as gore and digustingness goes? or do you think i'm just overthinking.

Late to the party here, I know, but if you don’t like Grimdark, play Warmachine. 40k is a nightmare world full of all kinds of horrible stuff. If you can’t dig Grimdark, there’s a million other (probably more productive) ways to spend your time. This is why people were freaking out about the kids books. 40k has never been for small children, not should it be. Maybe that’s not what appeals to you about the game, fine. Play Eldar or Tau or Guard or whatever you’re into, but don’t even think about telling the other people in the hobby that what they like about it is “too much”. Not cool. Nothing personal, but that’s a line in the sand for a very large number of us.

When is Games Workshop going to give us some male nudity? Some of those plaguebearers above could use bloated, diseased genitals. Maybe some wulfen or noise marines could run around with no pants. I wonder what an Ork looks like nude.

I don't think a 12 year old is going to be scarred by witnessing a miniature penis. I have some nude ceramic baby figurines, and no one has complained. I'm sure most of you have seen those statues of little boys used in water fountains.

What I'm really worried about is exposing children to all of these false gods: you wouldn't want your children worshipping Khorne, Slaanesh, Tzeentch, Nurgle, or the Emperor, would you? Ok, sorry, I'm just kidding about that. But I'd instantly buy a model with a penis.

I don’t think Ork have junk. They reproduce asexually by leaving spores all over ghe place.

40k and GW stuff in general used to be a lot more brutal and violent and gross than it is now. Back in the first half of the 2000s they had artwork of daemonettes butchering peasants and gore etc. I think things have gotten too tame lately if you ask me.

I don't know maybe I don't like it, because unlike most people here I had to luck the expiriance both the sight and the smell of too many guts and blood in my life. I understand that esthetics are something very personal, and kudos to people that like the models GW makes for nurgle.

But when I look at the nurgle all I can think of is the smell real dead flash has, and it makes me want to vomit.

Karol wrote:
I don't know maybe I don't like it, because unlike most people here I had to luck the expiriance both the sight and the smell of too many guts and blood in my life. I understand that esthetics are something very personal, and kudos to people that like the models GW makes for nurgle.

But when I look at the nurgle all I can think of is the smell real dead flash has, and it makes me want to vomit.

You want something to vomit over?
In Switzerland you get conscripted, in one of the courses they show you dead people, (or if you get unlucky they show you the injured ones), especially from chemical attacks (mustard gas is the worst imo), land mines, cluster weaponry and incindiary (phosphor burns down to the bones).
I had the pleasure of having a NCO that was in a peacekeeping mission in the balkans, he explained that burnt human flesh, smells alot like overdone chicken smell wise.

Compared to those pictures, nurgle stuff looks like a freaking overdone kids cartoon, or some wierd haloween shenanigans.

Also for those that complain about this using the "but the childrens" argument.
"Spongebob squarepants; The splinter. "

I have no problem with dead people, I took care of my grandfather for 2 years, when my mom had to go to work. Dead people are just dead, but something like an open wound that never heals because someone has diabietes, makes me turn inside. Also I live less then 1 km away from a fur farm that my uncle owns. I have seen enough skined animals, plus my dad hunts and my grandparents had pig, chicken etc. The smell is the worse, and for me the problem is that if I look at painted nurgle models, I smell the smell and it makes me sick. I can't explain why that is. It is strange because when I was 6, the most fun thing to do for kids around here, was to blow up a frog and explode it with fireworks. Back then I had no problems with anything.

Karol wrote:
I have no problem with dead people, I took care of my grandfather for 2 years, when my mom had to go to work. Dead people are just dead, but something like an open wound that never heals because someone has diabietes, makes me turn inside. Also I live less then 1 km away from a fur farm that my uncle owns. I have seen enough skined animals, plus my dad hunts and my grandparents had pig, chicken etc. The smell is the worse, and for me the problem is that if I look at painted nurgle models, I smell the smell and it makes me sick. I can't explain why that is. It is strange because when I was 6, the most fun thing to do for kids around here, was to blow up a frog and explode it with fireworks. Back then I had no problems with anything.

I have the same problem now but in a wierd diffrent way.
I burnt my hand relativly badly in school, it smelled like cooked chicken, so there are times when i just can't stand the smell of it. It got also worse thanks to my moron of a NCO later, which i belive made me associate the smell even more.
Frankly most of the time i just overcome it, but there are times which i lose all appetite.
Nothing can be done about, except exposure i guess.

Tyranids are fine

Have you watched Starship troopers or played Starcraft? Much worse

Maybe it's just me, but I totally felt that the new Nurgle models were much more cartoonish-disgusting rather than realistically disgusting. I had figured it was their attempt to be more family friendly.

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
Maybe it's just me, but I totally felt that the new Nurgle models were much more cartoonish-disgusting rather than realistically disgusting. I had figured it was their attempt to be more family friendly.

Nurgle has always had a bit of a cartoony vibe going on in the background (I mean Mordheim had the "Carnival of Chaos" which features middle ages style Nurgle Carnies) plus the silliness of the Nurglings going on, but with the new stuff how cartoony or gorey it is definitely comes down to the paint scheme. A darker/paler set of greens for them can make them look more gross than the brighter studio colors (which admittedly are used largely to make the models more photogenic than anything else).

I know I'm probably in the minority but I liked the older plague marines more than the new ones. They just seem to busy.

That said both are nothing compared to the forge world ones.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
I know I'm probably in the minority but I liked the older plague marines more than the new ones. They just seem to busy.

That said both are nothing compared to the forge world ones.

New stuff in general is very loud and busy which sorta feels distracting from a game about armies fighting each other. Combine that with the general increase in mono pose going on and it makes models feel more like they are all "HQs" instead of squad troops or fast attack or whatever.

I think from looks of the new stuff coming out that is disgusting in some peoples eyes, will be Slaneesh... Which I am happy for

No more pestilence, no more rot, no more degeneration, no more fething ugly....

Lets look to beautiful (what's more beautiful than a woman? I would say my wife but she is a goddess, so is the number 1))), points to her which she will never know .

So at the Slaneesh aesthetic is desire. I think if go on the witch aelves aesthetic (like provocative but slightly restrained will do well). I tried to turn the convo into beauty but will probably go back to boogers and puss?

The model's aren't disgusting enough, or threatening enough. Some of the newer models look cartoonier than past ones, I really don't think it's just nostalgia goggles talking when I say that stuff used to be rougher and more menacing looking.

Many years ago when I got into 40k the brutality and nastiness was part of the draw. A lot of boys inherently like violent/nasty stuff, their imaginations thrive on it, there's nothing wrong with that.

And I think if you try to sanitize something like 40k you take away part of it's essence.

If someone doesn't think their kids shouldn't play it because it's too graphically violent/disgusting, that's their call but I disagree.

 Corennus wrote:
....and some of the stuff shown is definitely rated Mature...

Such as?
To me they look like cartoon characters straight out of nick jr

 Corennus wrote:
Recently picked up the new First Strike box which contains 3 Intercessor space marines, 3 reiver space marines, 3 poxwalker death guard and 3 Death Guard tac squad.

And it hit me that Games Workshop has (actually for a while) really gone overboard on making Plague Marines (AND TYRANIDS) almost too disgusting.

Now, i KNOW this is just a game, and part of the "allure" of the Death Guard (apart from FRICKING DISGUSITINGLY RESILIENT!!!) is their bloated disgusting nature. But you get all ages playing this game....and some of the stuff shown is definitely rated Mature...


Do you think GW goes too far on some of its Death Guard and Tyranid models as far as gore and digustingness goes? or do you think i'm just overthinking.

I don't understand what you mean by Mature. How are you deciding what should be rated mature.
I see nothing from GW that I wouldn't find more ore less fine for a 12 year old. If it's your child then you decide what is or isn't acceptable, it's your job as a parent.
Putting labels like mature on products would seem to me to shift the responsibility onto the manufacturer and the shop owner and away from the parents to be involved in what their children are doing.
This just comes across as busybody moral panic.
Very, "OH! Won't somebody think of the children!"

 warhead01 wrote:

 Corennus wrote:
Recently picked up the new First Strike box which contains 3 Intercessor space marines, 3 reiver space marines, 3 poxwalker death guard and 3 Death Guard tac squad.

And it hit me that Games Workshop has (actually for a while) really gone overboard on making Plague Marines (AND TYRANIDS) almost too disgusting.

Now, i KNOW this is just a game, and part of the "allure" of the Death Guard (apart from FRICKING DISGUSITINGLY RESILIENT!!!) is their bloated disgusting nature. But you get all ages playing this game....and some of the stuff shown is definitely rated Mature...


Do you think GW goes too far on some of its Death Guard and Tyranid models as far as gore and digustingness goes? or do you think i'm just overthinking.

I don't understand what you mean by Mature. How are you deciding what should be rated mature.
I see nothing from GW that I wouldn't find more ore less fine for a 12 year old. If it's your child then you decide what is or isn't acceptable, it's your job as a parent.
Putting labels like mature on products would seem to me to shift the responsibility onto the manufacturer and the shop owner and away from the parents to be involved in what their children are doing.
This just comes across as busybody moral panic.
Very, "OH! Won't somebody think of the children!"

Reminds me of work the other day. So to sell movies when they come out we have a TV we play "the movie of the week" on, this week being Jurassic Park: Fallen Kingdom. So we got a complaint that someone said a curse word in the movie, in a movie where dinosaurs kill people. I feel like people's priorities get pretty messed up at times.

 warhead01 wrote:

 Corennus wrote:
Recently picked up the new First Strike box which contains 3 Intercessor space marines, 3 reiver space marines, 3 poxwalker death guard and 3 Death Guard tac squad.

And it hit me that Games Workshop has (actually for a while) really gone overboard on making Plague Marines (AND TYRANIDS) almost too disgusting.

Now, i KNOW this is just a game, and part of the "allure" of the Death Guard (apart from FRICKING DISGUSITINGLY RESILIENT!!!) is their bloated disgusting nature. But you get all ages playing this game....and some of the stuff shown is definitely rated Mature...


Do you think GW goes too far on some of its Death Guard and Tyranid models as far as gore and digustingness goes? or do you think i'm just overthinking.

I don't understand what you mean by Mature. How are you deciding what should be rated mature.
I see nothing from GW that I wouldn't find more ore less fine for a 12 year old. If it's your child then you decide what is or isn't acceptable, it's your job as a parent.
Putting labels like mature on products would seem to me to shift the responsibility onto the manufacturer and the shop owner and away from the parents to be involved in what their children are doing.
This just comes across as busybody moral panic.
Very, "OH! Won't somebody think of the children!"

Sorry I beat you to this several pages back, but it's nice to see I'm not alone in seeing this nonsense

hobojebus wrote:

 warhead01 wrote:

 Corennus wrote:
Recently picked up the new First Strike box which contains 3 Intercessor space marines, 3 reiver space marines, 3 poxwalker death guard and 3 Death Guard tac squad.

And it hit me that Games Workshop has (actually for a while) really gone overboard on making Plague Marines (AND TYRANIDS) almost too disgusting.

Now, i KNOW this is just a game, and part of the "allure" of the Death Guard (apart from FRICKING DISGUSITINGLY RESILIENT!!!) is their bloated disgusting nature. But you get all ages playing this game....and some of the stuff shown is definitely rated Mature...


Do you think GW goes too far on some of its Death Guard and Tyranid models as far as gore and digustingness goes? or do you think i'm just overthinking.

I don't understand what you mean by Mature. How are you deciding what should be rated mature.
I see nothing from GW that I wouldn't find more ore less fine for a 12 year old. If it's your child then you decide what is or isn't acceptable, it's your job as a parent.
Putting labels like mature on products would seem to me to shift the responsibility onto the manufacturer and the shop owner and away from the parents to be involved in what their children are doing.
This just comes across as busybody moral panic.
Very, "OH! Won't somebody think of the children!"

Sorry I beat you to this several pages back, but it's nice to see I'm not alone in seeing this nonsense

I think I did see that after I posted.
I wouldn't be surprised if Gw's silly models did at some point get a mature rating. It feels more and more that the edges are being taken off everything, Hell the last Ork codex was basically safety scissors, can't have those other factions getting cut by accident or anything.
But I find the idea extremely disappointing.

It's also funny in a way because when my stepson came to live with us at the age of 13, the first thing I did was put a White Dwarf and Chaos codex and maybe a rule book in his hands to read for the ride home. H asked to see them, why not! 40K became out common ground. The first thing he did was try to write a new race based on worms, so he got into Nidz which were a bit like what he had been imagining.