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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Grot 6 wrote:
This company is a money grubbing cash grab. Don't buy anything from them.

money grubbing company? On a GW fan page?!?

Well I never!

Yeah, because EVERY company runs a shoddy Kickstarter, grabs the funding then pulls the project and disappears. Stops talking to fans, takes more then a few years to complete it, all the while making excuses and shoddy communication. Eventually brings out a product that is subpar- to only a month to six later initiate a second edition, before the project is even done... That's standard practice for a company, though... isn't it.

BUT- you got your grizzlies.

Grizzlies...in 1/72nd scale...

via email

Massive clearance sale extended

Due to enourmous demand from our fans, we are expanding our sale for 7 days more!



All items are 30% off

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
via email

Massive clearance sale extended

Due to enourmous demand from our fans, we are expanding our sale for 7 days more!



All items are 30% off

Where is this from, I haven't been able to find it.

 firmlog wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
via email

Massive clearance sale extended

Due to enourmous demand from our fans, we are expanding our sale for 7 days more!



All items are 30% off

Where is this from, I haven't been able to find it.

It was sent via the Prodos Games Newsletter, which is only of use if you were subscribed to it. There was also the following post from J on the Warzone - Mutant Chronicles FB group:

Hi Warzoners, due to several request, Cabinet agreed to extend the sell of Warzone for another week or so, more details tomorrow. Also we agreed internally to release new rules for you ,in raw format (docs file) and once we have your feedback the team will make a proper pdf. Thanks.

Hm. I wonder of those clearances were due to Ninja DIvision / Soda Pop Miniature stiffing Prodos for payment.

Well that's certainly unfortunate. Crappy situation for Archon to be in.

What really sucks is I waited till the end of the pledge manager to put in money and they used the minis Archon produced to make it seem like things would actually get delivered.

Thanks for the update, John. I'll try and pass that on in the Starfinder community.

edit: I tried posting it over in the official forums for the game but Paizo has apparently preemptively locked down the official thread discussing the debacle. Posting the screen shot on the Starfinder facebook group got the image link and post deleted twice. Wow.. they're in full damage control/denial mode at Paizo and friends.

Sayonara, Relic Knights. So much for hoping that game would make a comeback.

According to Prodos it's just sitting in their warehouse. Same with Starfinder.

Wait a minute...Prodos is complaining about not getting something they are owed?

Oh, the irony....

 warboss wrote:
Thanks for the update, John. I'll try and pass that on in the Starfinder community.

You can tweet it at Paizo, hit them on Reddit. Call them out for locking the discussion.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Thanks for the update, John. I'll try and pass that on in the Starfinder community.

You can tweet it at Paizo, hit them on Reddit. Call them out for locking the discussion.

I appreciate that but I just joined facebook under an alias about two years ago. I'm just not a fan of social media and, more importantly, I'm not actually a backer (thank god!) of the project. I got into the game (and since out) after the KS funding closed. I was waiting for it to hit retail but that'll happen now shortly after wave 2 of Robotech Tactics does apparently.


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BigDaddio wrote:
Wait a minute...Prodos is complaining about not getting something they are owed?

Oh, the irony....

Maybe they could offer for free the minis they made that are just sitting there unpaid for to the roughly 50%+ of AVP backers who still don't have their pledges (at their last public count) 5+ years after the products hit the store shelves... Just a thought.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Thanks for the update, John. I'll try and pass that on in the Starfinder community.

You can tweet it at Paizo, hit them on Reddit. Call them out for locking the discussion.

Not worth it. Paizo forum staff can get very stubborn on topic locks, and the worst of the forum fanatics tend to dog pile anyone who violates the decrees from above.

Voss wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Thanks for the update, John. I'll try and pass that on in the Starfinder community.

You can tweet it at Paizo, hit them on Reddit. Call them out for locking the discussion.

Not worth it. Paizo forum staff can get very stubborn on topic locks, and the worst of the forum fanatics tend to dog pile anyone who violates the decrees from above.

No, you conduct ALL of the discussion on Twitter and Reddit, where Paizo is just another user without the ability to lock or delete anything, for example:

"@Paizo - how come you're afraid to discuss what's happening to Starfinder?" with the picture attached

By calling them out on a public platform like Twitter or Reddit, you make it globally visible, but take it out of their control.

There's already a few reddit threads on this just from today. Not on Twitter so don't know about there.

Fair enough, then!

Fwiw, John Cadice has responded several times in this thread. Of course no concrete into was given as he obliquely referred to some sort of investment that fell through late last year.

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2303868816310639&id=100000626295430&set=gm.1067926943391963&source=57&refid=18&__tn__=EH-R

BigDaddio wrote:
Wait a minute...Prodos is complaining about not getting something they are owed?

Oh, the irony....

Indeed, but I’m sure the irony will be lost on them, they aren’t the brightest people out there. Hopefully this heralds the demise of their business. The gaming community is better off with less lying scumlord companies like them.

I'd like to see Archon somehow manage to turn this into a positive for everyone.

I've enjoyed their board games and am anxious to see how their new plastic sprue stuff turns out.

If they can manage to somehow salvage Super Dungeon and Relic Knights (and possibly throw some olive branches to the still angry AVP backers while they're at it) it would probably net them a lot of goodwill.

Having a lot of positive buzz and backer goodwill right before launching a big campaign for an all plastic SF tabletop game (which I'm sure won't be cheap) seems like a smart business move.

Hrm, I was going to lock this and start a thread but there's a lot of discussion already.

Changing the post topic and we'll go from here.

Sigh. I remember when Ninja Division were the good guys from the Robotech disaster.

I don't think they were ever the good guys. They had already screwed up the first Relic Knights with a long delay and were seemingly just the lesser of two evils in that case. They've since proven that they can utterly fail all on their own without Palladium's guidance IMO. YMMV.

Also a big part of robotech's financial problems was Ninja Division's insistance on multipart hips kits. That cost more then planned and forced palladium to pay to resculpt everything for wave two. Still plenty of blame to go around between both companies.

If it's not been posted, a link to the article.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/business/article225610455.html

 youwashock wrote:
Sayonara, Relic Knights. So much for hoping that game would make a comeback.

It's a shame. I didn't back 2.0, but a friend who did convinced me to finally build my 1.0 set and play and its a fun little system.

Funny. I, too, dodged the 2.0 bullet, but just last night went through stuff left over from KS1 to plan some painting. Some cool models, and a neat setting and game system. This is a drag. It seems they never really pulled it together and it has all caught up to them. Best of luck to the backers on these projects.

I went in heavy on Relic knights and got burned to the tune of around $400. I will say since that I have given up on kickstarters. The first time I got screwed was by Angry Mojo Games but that was less then 100. The only companies I might still back would be Monoliath, CMON, and Manic. Possibly Raging Heroes though I will say in their Kickstarters the extreme long wait had me worried several times and the 3 years behind sucked but atleast they followed thru.

Wait what?? I was wondering why my RK was taking so darn long to get delivered!! I've not read the last number of KS updates. I best go find them and have a read.

overtyrant wrote:
Wait what?? I was wondering why my RK was taking so darn long to get delivered!! I've not read the last number of KS updates. I best go find them and have a read.

Good luck finding them ND/SPM are refusing the to engage with backers on KS as they have no control over the comments preferring instead to use places like Facebook where they can control things and remove dissenting opinions. Last RK update was August 2018.

Apparently Cadice has been saying on Facebook that there will be an update “soon” but has only really resurfaced to somewhat react to Jareks comments. The rep they had dealing with KS comments got laid off.

What's funny is that Ninja Division and Archon both changed their names to disassociate themselves from their past fiascos, and then they both chose to partner up. You'd think they'd both know better than to do business with a company that's blatantly as shady as themselves.