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I spent most of Ep1 fiddling with my phone if I'm honest, but the attack was engaging enough that I started to focus on it again, so I'll probably give the other 2 available episodes a run to give it a fair crack, wouldn't be the first show to wobble a bit before finding its feet.

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 AegisGrimm wrote:
Technically, from what I remember all those many years ago that I read them (i.e. before Jordan even died, so I never read the final books), The Wheel of Time world is a post-apocalyptic aftermath of a society much more advanced than ours that used the One Power sort of as a replacement for technology when both genders could use it as much as they wanted. It was destroyed when Shaitan was released from his giant dimensional prison-thing. Several times visions were granted of flying vehicles and advanced buildings from the time of his escape.

I also remember at least one or two mentions in the book of the characters seeing advanced skyscraper-like structures in the far distance as they traveled, and I distantly remember that Mat ends up inside one of them, travelling to some sort of other dimension.

If the screw up Perrin, I will avoid this show like a used syringe on a street corner.


There's also references to our world. America, soviet union...others.

Our world is both past and future of wot. Wheel turns etc.

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Well I definatly enjoyed that the first episode more than the one book I struggled through and much more than the Witcher.

So far on a par with Shanara/The Outpost/Cursed

Good
Rosemund is cool as is her bodyguard
That was a cool beastman attack

not soo good
Not really engaged with many of the others yet.



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 AegisGrimm wrote:
Technically, from what I remember all those many years ago that I read them (i.e. before Jordan even died, so I never read the final books), The Wheel of Time world is a post-apocalyptic aftermath of a society much more advanced than ours that used the One Power sort of as a replacement for technology when both genders could use it as much as they wanted. It was destroyed when Shaitan was released from his giant dimensional prison-thing. Several times visions were granted of flying vehicles and advanced buildings from the time of his escape.

I also remember at least one or two mentions in the book of the characters seeing advanced skyscraper-like structures in the far distance as they traveled, and I distantly remember that Mat ends up inside one of them, travelling to some sort of other dimension.

If the screw up Perrin, I will avoid this show like a used syringe on a street corner.


Huh, really? Perrin always struck me as the character most in need of editorial interference. As in persuading Jordan he's completely unnecessary and saving ~400-500 pages over the course of the series.

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After 3 episodes I want to watch at least the entire 1st season. Weirdly enough because with the exception for Moiraine and Lan, I absolutely do not care if others get killed, being so boring and/or predictable. It looks like i am more interested in the world and its secrets (never read the books) than the actual protagonists.
   
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I rewatched episode 1 with Mrs. GG so she could catch up.

Spoiler:
I enjoyed it more the second time around. Perhaps the shock of the changes wore off. Mrs. GG enjoyed it although she is not as familiar with, or as much a fan of, the books as I am. She found it darker than I did and the characters/actors less likable. But she agreed to watch episode 2.

The way the Whitecloaks are portrayed seems off to both of us. We both imagined more gritty Knights Templar types than the too pristine almost Elven look. Even the not so Knights Templars of Knightfall were more what we imagined for the Children of the Light.


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I don't understand these changes. At all. I don't think any of them have been made for the better. I think a lot of them completely ruin future storylines. I am dreading the 4th episode because of changes to Loial.

The first season right now is sitting at a 3.7 on the Amazon Prime ratings.

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As someone who has never read any of the books and no idea what’s changed, I’m enjoying it well enough.

 
   
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I have also never read any of the WoT series and so far the show is pretty average for me. It's fine, I guess, but nothing that's really blowing my socks off. The acting is OK, the writing is OK, the special effects range from OK to poor and there are entirely too many shots of mountains and plains (it looks like they've stolen a bunch of unused scenery shots from LOTR).

The big problem for me at the moment is I don't really care about the characters, and now they've been separated we're getting even less development of them than we otherwise would have.
   
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I recommend the audio books with Kate Reading and Michael Kramer. They do an excellent job with the characters, as they do in every book.

Nothing against the new audio book with Rosamund Pike, I just haven't heard it and I am a big Reading/Kramer fan as narrators.
   
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Devon, UK

Just finished Ep4 and I really think it's hitting its stride. I read the first 7 or 8 volumes what feels like 20 years ago, and fundamentally lost interest. Consequently any changes are lost on me, I just remember some vague names, concepts and world details, but after a slightly shakey start it is really growing on me.

We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark

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As a big fan of the books, and someone who's read them multiple times, I think that the show is a masterclass in how to adapt something far too long into a shorter format. They're hitting a lot of the events they need to that are going to matter later, they're trimming out extraneous scenes/characters where they don't matter that much to the wider story, and they're focusing on hitting the right thematic notes and setting up the characters over spurious exposition or unnecessary detail.

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Mrs. GG and I are unsure how to take the show after what we have seen in Episode 4.

Spoiler:
It was a decent episode in and of itself, very watchable, but the “epic climax“ left us wondering where they are going to go with the whole “no one knows who the Dragon Reborn will be” plotline. Will the show really have the Dragon Reborn be someone different from the books or just try to keep us guessing so it can create tension?

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Watched episode 1 and it is enjoyable. Which is enough for me.
   
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 Grumpy Gnome wrote:
Mrs. GG and I are unsure how to take the show after what we have seen in Episode 4. it was a decent episode in and of itself, very watchable, but the “epic climax“ left us wondering where they are going to go with the whole “no one knows who the Dragon Reborn will be” plotline. Will the show really have the Dragon Reborn be someone different from the books or just try to keep us guessing so it can create tension?


There's a zero percent chance that they're altering a plot point that fundamental. Every character in the series has their part to play surrounding Rand being Lews Therin reborn, and altering that means changing everything else downstream. Readers know a *lot* of things, and the show has been exceedingly blunt about seeding episodes with pretty blatant hints of things to come (viewers are practically tripping over foreshadowing moment after foreshadowing moment in EPs 2-4). It's purely an in-verse conceit. Remember that Rand doesn't kick things off and reveal himself until the end of Book 2.

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Devon, UK

Readers may know, viewers may not, so maybe be a little more circumspect with the spoilers about who the Dragon is etc?

We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark

The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.

The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox

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i made it halfway theough the first episode.
I felt like so much was thrown at me that i didnt understand that i just stopped

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I'm enjoying it so far. The wife is enjoying it. Outside of some odd casting choices and up aging I'm quite happy with it.

And I'll add that I went back and started reading the series hoping to make it thru this time. I think I made book 7 or so last time. I had forgotten how absolutely nothing Jordan did with Perrin and Matt for development early on. The age up might work out in the long run.

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Devon, UK

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
i made it halfway theough the first episode.
I felt like so much was thrown at me that i didnt understand that i just stopped


You get enough of that in real life, amiright?

We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark

The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.

The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox

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Les Etats Unis

Huge fan of the show so far, but still formulating my thoughts for Dakka.

I don't see why everyone's so upset about the aging up, though; most of the protagonists are 20 by about book 4 anyway.

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 Azreal13 wrote:
Readers may know, viewers may not, so maybe be a little more circumspect with the spoilers about who the Dragon is etc?


Oh no, not spoilers for a still popular 30 year old series....
   
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Devon, UK

Or, and bear with me, a totally new TV show that people might hitherto have been utterly unaware of?

Given the profile of the show, and the fact that plenty of people who might even be aware of the books might not have read or given up on the series, or, like me, were fairly sure they remembered it but were happy to go with the flow, it isn't unreasonable to assume there'll be people reading the thread who won't know the whole story.

We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark

The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.

The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox

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ccs wrote:
 Azreal13 wrote:
Readers may know, viewers may not, so maybe be a little more circumspect with the spoilers about who the Dragon is etc?


Oh no, not spoilers for a still popular 30 year old series....

Imagine that some people, including myself, had never heard about those books before this TV show.

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 Azreal13 wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
i made it halfway theough the first episode.
I felt like so much was thrown at me that i didnt understand that i just stopped


You get enough of that in real life, amiright?

More like
Dragon Reborn? Men cant hold power? Braids? Wisdom, meaning of rivers? Huh?
IT was just hard to follow.

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 Azreal13 wrote:
Or, and bear with me, a totally new TV show that people might hitherto have been utterly unaware of?

Given the profile of the show, and the fact that plenty of people who might even be aware of the books might not have read or given up on the series, or, like me, were fairly sure they remembered it but were happy to go with the flow, it isn't unreasonable to assume there'll be people reading the thread who won't know the whole story.


Agreed - I could not get past the first book - although I am not bothered by spoilter - others often are.

Seemed standard fantasy tropes so fine - my 75 year old mother was fine with it all....What i got from the show

Dragon Reborn?
Like I said standard Chosen one and Dark Lord at the moment

Men can't hold power?
The one apparently hardline witch-lady said men should not have the power, they make it filthy and it sends them mad....but she may not be a trustworthy narrator

Braids?
Seems to be a coming of age thing for women.

Wisdom,
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meaning of rivers?
Huh? Stream of life....maybe - did not seem that important at the moment


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Devon, UK

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
 Azreal13 wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
i made it halfway theough the first episode.
I felt like so much was thrown at me that i didnt understand that i just stopped


You get enough of that in real life, amiright?

More like
Dragon Reborn? Men cant hold power? Braids? Wisdom, meaning of rivers? Huh?
IT was just hard to follow.


Have you never watched a show that didn't explain literally every term they used that was in the slightest bit unusual in the first episode? That didn't expect you to take it a little bit on faith that answers would come?

That aside, they literally did explain why men can't hold power, and if you can't infer what braids and the river meant from context then I don't know what to tell you.

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The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.

The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox

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I don't think you can spoiler the show with information from the books. They are way off over there, I don't know where they are going. How many episodes is the first season? They have a lot of ground to cover. Like, literally. They travel a LOT in the first book.
   
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 Mr Morden wrote:
Men can't hold power?
The one apparently hardline witch-lady said men should not have the power, they make it filthy and it sends them mad....but she may not be a trustworthy narrator


Her description is slightly inconsistent with the books, whether that's because she's unreliable or just meh writing it's not possible to tell - the power is filthy, it taints men the more they use, hence why they go mad.

TBH the first two books are pretty poor, you have to suffer through them to get to the good stuff, after that it really picks up for a while.

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Just finished the first episode. I’m digging it.

Not interested in reading the books, but this first episode was cool enough to make me want to watch more.

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 nels1031 wrote:
Just finished the first episode. I’m digging it.

Not interested in reading the books, but this first episode was cool enough to make me want to watch more.


I would imagine that is exactly the reaction the makers want - pretty much mine as well

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