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GTs like Mechanicon and Nova had Necromunda events, so I'd consider that alive and well.

Someone has to start somewhere. My friend and I splitting the starter set is what set my club off. Now we have 7 or 8 players, and are starting to branch out to other clubs.

Be the change you want to see in the world, instead of starting X number of threads about how games are dead because you have to actually put effort into the community.

What if you don’t GT????

Pancakey wrote:
What if you don’t GT????

What if you live at the North Pole? What if you're an astronaut on the ISS? What if we're all just programs in a simulation?

The point is that as a general rule, if big event stuff is happening that's indicative that the game is, overall, healthy, or at the very least not "dead".

Pancakey wrote:
What if you don’t GT????

Because of the way you've phrased the title of the thread and the opening post and a few of your others this thread is running on two purposes.

1) Is your assertion that the game is "dead" and thus unpopular everywhere. Your comments are not specific that its your area or game club where its dead, but everywhere - ergo the world market. As a result many are replying to the thread with multiple examples of where the game is not dead.

2) Is your views (in the latter part of the thread) which seem to clarify that its your personal area where its dead and that you've no tools or methods to restore it locally. This is a totally separate subject because what you're really asking is how can you help the game thrive in your area and what you can directly do to promote it and thus have opponents to play with.

Note that alongside this you've also got the poll, which is mostly meaningless because, again, many have voted not at the national nor global level, but at the regional or just personal level. Some hate the game so vote it dead; some have no local scene; etc....


In the end I think you need to decide if you want to continue arguing that the game is universally dead; or if you want to start a new thread discussing your local scene for Necromunda and how you might help it along and get ideas, tips and advise from people as to what they have done to promote games at the local level and at least build up a group of friends to play with.

 Skinnereal wrote:

 Toofast wrote:

Baxx wrote:
Why you don't have gaming clubs?

If you only charged $30/yr, you would need 800 people to sign up, and that's just to cover rent. That doesn't even factor in insurance, utilities, tables, play mats, terrain, lockers, TV, internet access, etc.

The club I go to is:
In a church hall, used for dance lessons, scout/guide meetings, etc. This means there is a shared 'rent' from the church, and insurance and such is part of that.
It has tables and lockers. There is a kitchen, but with just a microwave and a sink,
They charge £2 or £3 per session, adding up to ~£150 per person per year,
Terrain is either provided by players, or bought out of surplus takings.
It is open 4 hours a week.

There is no TV or internet access.
Mats are sheets, bought from a market stall, or in a sale.
Scenery is often home-made (we are lucky to have a very good modeller for that).
Other opening times were discussed, but this is often enough for most people.

So, you don't need anything dedicated, as that is a store.

The above really doesn't exist in the US. At least not in my area. To rent a church or fire house or other public place out is at least a few 100 dollars for the night.

It's like the US system is geared toward commercial use of the rented space only and not community use. It's a surprising cultural difference since in the UK community places, like church halls, are far more geared toward community events and support - hence the lower rental to use so that it doesn't bar smaller events.

A few hundred dollars a night for basically renting a small room sounds really odd. It would actually be cheaper to rent a really small flat for a month than it would to rent a hall for 4 evenings a month.



I wonder though if its a case of beating down the pay wall and having a chat with the direct owners of the halls/churches and explaining the situation in detail to them. Then again if you're talking $20 a night and they are talking $200 it might just be too much a difference for them to accept it.

How well do you know your fellow gamers? Personally, I don't often game against anyone who I wouldn't be happy to invite into my house, but depending where everyone is situated, that could be difficult, if you all live in different suburbs and the shop is in the centre of town.

I regularly have players at my house, especially now that 8 of us are travelling to Adepticon, most club nights are people getting practice games for it.

In short:

-Necromunda is alive and well
-If you don't have a local following, make one

Pancakey wrote:


Unfortunately I do not have access to the “worldwide” player base.

-The internet is a real thing, so you very much have access to the worldwide player base. The only thing stopping you is you.

Necromunda requires less space to play and is geared toward a narrative style. To me this means it is less likely to be sought out by people who play pick up games in stores and more likely to be played by groups of friends at home.

I'll concede that the books are annoying, but the quality of the plastic gangs has made up for it. I have played more Necromunda in the last 5 years than 40k, as the size and time required is ideal for me.

 Strombones wrote:
Necromunda requires less space to play and is geared toward a narrative style. To me this means it is less likely to be sought out by people who play pick up games in stores and more likely to be played by groups of friends at home.

I'll concede that the books are annoying, but the quality of the plastic gangs has made up for it. I have played more Necromunda in the last 5 years than 40k, as the size and time required is ideal for me.

This is what we are aiming for now with the local scene being what it is. We have three players and we are going to be playing at someone’s home. The rule book thing did keep us all out of the game until recently.

Necromunda never caught on in my area, but I chalk a lot of that to a relatively slow release of the gangs and just the absolute saturation of GW products right now, not even thinking about other table top games.

You have Necromunda, Kill team, Normal 40k, Blackstone Fortress, all the other various box games and now Battlefleet Gothic is in the wings. Only so much time in a week, and I am starting to feel like GW is starting to eat it's own a bit.

Do you know what, there was an article about almost the same thing for Warhammer Underworlds posted in one of the UK Facebook Groups and it got this very well thought and quite well written response:

https://canyourollacrit.com/2019/01/16/how-to-grow-a-local-scene/

This is how you get your local community playing the game you want, you put some work in.

Rik

What Rik said.

This is a community hobby. Yes, we're spoiled by the overall popularity of AoS and 40k. Those make it easy to get games.

All others require effort on behalf of interested parties. Arrange games. See if you can get a campaign or league going (whatever floats the boat of your local scene).

Don't just stand with your hands on your hips (or indeed any other pose) demanding the mountain comes to Mohammed.

So if i understand this correctly.

Necromunda is not dead. Even though there is no local presence in my areas FLGS or GWs.

GW doesn’t stock it in store because “reasons” even though it is “selling well”.

The only reason it’s dead locally is because I haven’t personally started a scene.

Drip releasing the books then releasing a compendium of those books did nothing to make the community feel ripped off.

Thanks dakka!

Pancakey wrote:
So if i understand this correctly.

Necromunda is not dead. Even though there is no local presence in my areas FLGS or GWs.

GW doesn’t stock it in store because “reasons” even thought it is “selling well”.

The only reason it’s dead locally is because I haven’t personally started a scene.

Drip releasing the books then releasing a compendium of those books did nothing to make the community feel ripped off.

Thanks dakka!

Any game without a current active scene in your local area requires work.

GW don't stock their "Specialist Games" in store after the initial release splash, because these games require active engagement from the local community.

The book release planning was poor, some people will get over it, others won't.

If you're not prepared to put any work into developing a local scene that's your look out, but it is explicitly the nature of the Specialist Games range and of other games with a lower player count.

Rik

GW stores at least in my area tend to not stock large swaths of GW product due to size. The NYC has a nice staff but It's not very large and the only other store I've been to was basically a walk in closet.

Pancakey wrote:
Necromunda is not dead. Even though there is no local presence in my areas FLGS or GWs.

The only reason it’s dead locally is because I haven’t personally started a scene.

These are experiences common to you. If all of us were saying we'd never met another Necromunda player, but your local store had 60 players, would you be saying "Nah dawg! Necro is alive an' kickin' yo!".

To put it another way Pancakes - your anecdotal evidence isn't.

Pancakey wrote:
Drip releasing the books then releasing a compendium of those books did nothing to make the community feel ripped off.

Which has all of what to do with it being a 'dead game'?

Pancakey wrote:
GW doesn’t stock it in store because “reasons” even though it is “selling well”.

GW doesn't sell it in store because they don't sell specialist stuff in store outside of its release weekend. How many times must this be explained?

Pancakey wrote:
Thanks dakka!

Boy you made this thread with your mind already made up. We just pointed out how you line of thinking was bull gak. Don't get all snarky 'cause you were challenged.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Pancakey wrote:
Necromunda is not dead. Even though there is no local presence in my areas FLGS or GWs.

The only reason it’s dead locally is because I haven’t personally started a scene.

These are experiences common to you. If all of us were saying we'd never met another Necromunda player, but your local store had 60 players, would you be saying "Nah dawg! Necro is alive an' kickin' yo!".

To put it another way Pancakes - your anecdotal evidence isn't.

Pancakey wrote:
Drip releasing the books then releasing a compendium of those books did nothing to make the community feel ripped off.

Which has all of what to do with it being a 'dead game'?

Pancakey wrote:
GW doesn’t stock it in store because “reasons” even though it is “selling well”.

GW doesn't sell it in store because they don't sell specialist stuff in store outside of its release weekend. How many times must this be explained?

Pancakey wrote:
Thanks dakka!

Boy you made this thread with your mind already made up. We just pointed out how you line of thinking was bull gak. Don't get all snarky 'cause you were challenged.

It was in stores much longer than “release weekend”

Based upon what little evidence has been proffered I would suggest that the reason the OP isn’t getting more Necromunda games is probably the OP.

 notprop wrote:
Based upon what little evidence has been proffered I would suggest that the reason the OP isn’t getting more Necromunda games is probably the OP.

Or it isn't played or stocked in his area. The nicest person on Earth couldn't get a Necromunda game where I live because nobody plays it. My FLGS ordered 1 starter box and 1 box of each gang as they were released. The starter box and all but 1 gang are still sitting on the shelf today, and the gang was purchased by an employee to use the models for a D&D campaign.

Just FYI all the gang cards are on last chance to buy now.

Pancakey wrote:
Just FYI all the gang cards are on last chance to buy now.

As are cards for everything else - its GW changing their supplier, but their store back-end doesn't account for it and so its listing them as last chance as there's no "order" coming into the system.

 Overread wrote:

Pancakey wrote:
Just FYI all the gang cards are on last chance to buy now.

As are cards for everything else - its GW changing their supplier, but their store back-end doesn't account for it and so its listing them as last chance as there's no "order" coming into the system.

So it’s not the last chance to buy the cards then?

As far as the website is concerned it is - far as I've been able to work out it "shouldn't" be however we don't know for certain. We know its abnormal because Killteam stuff (that only just went on sale) is also wrapped up in this.

I believe one of the GW staff answered it in an online feed/webpodcast somewhere.

Pancakey wrote:

 Overread wrote:

Pancakey wrote:
Just FYI all the gang cards are on last chance to buy now.

As are cards for everything else - its GW changing their supplier, but their store back-end doesn't account for it and so its listing them as last chance as there's no "order" coming into the system.

So it’s not the last chance to buy the cards then?

No. They're changing supplier due to high demand and so the barcode will change meaning a change of stock number. Same reason you see standard products go last chance to buy before a reboxing. Chances are they'll be reissued as one pack for all the gangs. On a separate note, you seem utterly desperate for the game, any of the specialist games to fail for that matter. Why exactly?

Maybe this means they can keep decent stock of the Killzones.

Which means stockists with discounts can keep decent stock of the Killzones.

Hows the local necromunda scene doing these days? Still DOA in my neck of the woods.

Pancakey wrote:
Hows the local necromunda scene doing these days? Still DOA in my neck of the woods.

Last campaign just ended with 6 active players (started with 11, I think), but we can get 15-20 people for an event day/weekend. Hopefully the (rumoured) new boxset will kick-start things.

Pancakey wrote:
Hows the local necromunda scene doing these days? Still DOA in my neck of the woods.

Same as always! The game has just received massive amount of new contents (Book of Perils, Book of Judgement), new mini-campaign in October White Dwarf.

We are continuing the same campaign (running 1.5 years) and we've updated our games to include new stuff from the Law & Misrule campaign (Outlaws, Black Market and tons more). We also started trying Perils battlefield effects and terrain special rules. Gonna take a long time to test all the new stuff, we got enough for at least a year.

Necromunda was an urban legend in the shops here.

Now, first of all the reason few FLGS carry it:

1- You can only get the core gangs, books, and a few terrain options in the FLGS. A LOT of the stuff is Forge World. In the US, we still have shop owners that act like Forge World products are made by Hitler out of powdered orphan bones and Lucifer's seed. So, even walking into their stores with something they didn't sell will have some obese shop owner wheezing his way back to the game tables to kick you out before you contaminate his wholesome honest business with that foul resin taint (that he can't sell, therefore you're not advertising his products on his tables).

2- Even the ones that don't care about Forge World are under the impression that you can buy one or two gang boxes and some dice and that's all you need to play- so it's not a 'big investment' game like 40k. So, you're not buying those big tanks and jets and monsters for hundreds of dollars to keep that winning advantage.

3- Because most people don't know anything about it, therefore it rarely gets repped at the FLGS. Therefore, the casual gamer sees it as "some weird mohawk guys shooting at each other over some hazard stripes".

Now, that being said- I've done demos for Necromunda at a few places, and it's always had an AMAZING response.

When I showed my best friend how to play, we met up with a couple of other friends- and we both walked them through how to play the game. It not only blew them away at how fun and deep it was- but we drew a crowd. People asked questions, people were very curious about all these other nifty rules that just made Kill Team look like a silly joke in comparison.

As we packed away, two employees of this store approached me and asked if they could speak to me. I apologized profusely for gathering a crowd, stated that it was not my intent and it wasn't planned at all- and they said, "No, you don't understand- look at this...." They showed me some shelves. "This was our Necromunda section a few hours ago. We sold out, and we have orders in for more. Here's a gift card from us, to say thanks."

Here locally, I still do demos for it in the shop where I work weekends. I have every gang, multiples of them (two different color schemes for each). I even have Venator gangs made from random GW stuff, Genestealers, Chaos Cults, and other more oddball things like Ork Kommandos and Aeldari Corsairs and Tau squads just to show "this is completely legit and here is how you do it".

I do fun goofball events like "Unhallowed Underhive" for Halloween with zombies (poxwalkers), Ambull, deranged servitors, Gellarpox Infected, ghouls, and the newest addition to the menagerie this year is "The Severed Seven" (using the Unmade with guns) as "all the gangers who were retired from the roster for lasting injuries to their limbs, returning from the grave for revenge.

Also, once you drum up interest- it's fun to have people run up to you and tell you their new idea for a Venator Gang.