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 Stux wrote:
You don't know that the campaign books delayed the codex. It could even still come out in Jan, you're just jumping to conclusions.
For all we know the codex has been waiting on the new model kits to be ready

Warhammer World have their stock of the Codex ready to go, so it can't be too far off...

It's more likely that developing all the new model kits is what took time. Remembering that they have to fit into production slots (and GW is already overstressed on production and likely will be until their new factory is built). Plus we've no idea if some of those new models threw up huge sculpting/casting issues during production which might have caused further delays.

Furthermore with a large quota of new sculpts it looks like the GSC release will be two weeks long so that's quite a big chunk of release time to slot into GWs schedule plus you've the index right now plus - and this is the big plus - 8th edition isn't even that old!! Comparatively speaking you've got another 5 years to wait before you can "really" complain


Yes GSC has been delayed it would seem; or at least pulled a few short straws and wound up a lot later tahn many expected; yes its frustrating but you know its coming. You know you're getting multiple great new kits (way more than most other 40K armies got - way more!). All at the same time - new models new rules its a full on codex release akin to the ones of old we used to have.
Some armies got nothing in the way of new models; others got one or two - GSC is getting multiple and is really fleshing out to be more than just a few models bolted into an Imperial Guard force.



Take a few deep breaths and remain calm - there's no need to panic (unless you've lost your towel)

Danny slag wrote:
People on dakka really struggle with reading comprehension don't you? How many times have you all regurgitated "someone had to be last." When that's never been what I said. My problem isn't being last, it's being given the middle finger while supplements are released instead of finishing the last codex. They did every other codex, every one, except GSC before doing supplements. Then they just kinda fethed off and started doing other things before fixing my army that their chapter approved broke. Not one, but not two campaign books.

It's not like they've got one writer who decided to do campaign books instead of GSC.

I expect different writers (or teams of writers) have been working on different codexes and supplements in parallel. Once the folks working on stuff like Orks and Chapter Approved finished and needed a new project, they were out of Codexes to write so they started on supplements instead. For whatever reason, the GSC Codex was delayed. If those supplements are ready, they're going to release them. They're not going to hold onto books that are finished and could be selling just because a vocal minority of GSC players might get irritated.

As to why the Codex has been delayed, there are several reasons that it could be, and none of those reasons are a deliberate attempt to hurt the army or its players. Maybe the rules they started writing didn't gel with the ongoing rules changes, or they turned out to be massively over- or underpowered and so they went back to square one. Maybe they wanted to release the Codex and new models together, but the new models were delayed in sculpting, or finding production time to cast them up for release. Maybe they had a full production and release schedule in the run up to the end of 2018, but realised that model releases would be sparser in early 2019 - making it a better place to release the new GSC range and therefore scheduled their production accordingly. It's not malice. It's business.

Danny slag wrote:

People on dakka really struggle with reading comprehension don't you? How many times have you all regurgitated "someone had to be last." When that's never been what I said. My problem isn't being last, it's being given the middle finger while supplements are released instead of finishing the last codex. They did every other codex, every one, except GSC before doing supplements. Then they just kinda fethed off and started doing other things before fixing my army that their chapter approved broke. Not one, but not two campaign books.

Seriously, dude, lay off the caffeine for a bit.

Which is more likely? That GW are delaying the codex specifically to insult you, or that there were production-related factors that resulted in the release happening when it is?

While it might have been nice for some word from GW about why they were releasing supplements before finishing the codexes, at the end of the day it's a game of toy soldiers. If you have to wait an extra month for your new book, the world is unlikely to actually end as a result.

Danny slag wrote:
When that's never been what I said. My problem isn't being last, it's being given the middle finger while supplements are released instead of finishing the last codex. They did every other codex, every one, except GSC before doing supplements. Then they just kinda fethed off and started doing other things before fixing my army that their chapter approved broke. Not one, but not two campaign books.

That's a bit false though. Sisters of Battle don't have codex yet either. They have an Index force and some sort of Beta version of a codex within the pages of a supplement that's hardly satisfiactory. In fact, accoding to most Sister player, their army was more functional with the Index rules. Now, if GW was to wait until all codexes are finished to start publishing supplements, and considering the fact that the Sisters won't get their new release until late 2019 or early 2020, what would they produce to keep the 40K brand active for an entire year? Plus, supplements comming before codexes is hardly something new. From my understanding, GSC weren't that bad in the Index, in fact they were fairly middle ground. They might have been hit by it, but some new rules for them appeared in the campaign book and Chapter Approved will affect your army list for about 2 months, maybe two months and a half at most. Considering the GSC release will probably be the biggest release of 8th edition thanks to its new models beside Primaris Space Marines and Death Guard.

I have a feeling the dex will be strong and really unusual, unlike any other. For what it's worth, I think the delay has been down to perfecting the unusual nature of the GSC and keeping them in the 'balance' of 8th ed. They told me when 8th came out that they were fleshing out all the dexes in outline before they went full on to write them, so the thing has been in the works a while. Plus that is a hugely significant new model release with lots of new stuff. It's more than almost any other faction has got and they make it clear if you ask them that the models lead the books, in other words they design studio throws out models and that dictates the releases. Looks like a really significant release all round.

And for what it's worth I have them too and I am waiting on the release keenly as well.

 insaniak wrote:

Danny slag wrote:

People on dakka really struggle with reading comprehension don't you? How many times have you all regurgitated "someone had to be last." When that's never been what I said. My problem isn't being last, it's being given the middle finger while supplements are released instead of finishing the last codex. They did every other codex, every one, except GSC before doing supplements. Then they just kinda fethed off and started doing other things before fixing my army that their chapter approved broke. Not one, but not two campaign books.

Seriously, dude, lay off the caffeine for a bit.

Which is more likely? That GW are delaying the codex specifically to insult you, or that there were production-related factors that resulted in the release happening when it is?

While it might have been nice for some word from GW about why they were releasing supplements before finishing the codexes, at the end of the day it's a game of toy soldiers. If you have to wait an extra month for your new book, the world is unlikely to actually end as a result.

It's also an objectively wrong statement.
They are by far not the last codex to be, yet the others didn't even get a propperly updated index and have no rumors about them.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Danny slag wrote:

People on dakka really struggle with reading comprehension don't you? How many times have you all regurgitated "someone had to be last." When that's never been what I said. My problem isn't being last, it's being given the middle finger while supplements are released instead of finishing the last codex. They did every other codex, every one, except GSC before doing supplements. Then they just kinda fethed off and started doing other things before fixing my army that their chapter approved broke. Not one, but not two campaign books.

Seriously, dude, lay off the caffeine for a bit.

Which is more likely? That GW are delaying the codex specifically to insult you, or that there were production-related factors that resulted in the release happening when it is?

While it might have been nice for some word from GW about why they were releasing supplements before finishing the codexes, at the end of the day it's a game of toy soldiers. If you have to wait an extra month for your new book, the world is unlikely to actually end as a result.

It's also an objectively wrong statement.
They are by far not the last codex to be, yet the others didn't even get a propperly updated index and have no rumors about them.

Several people keep saying it's not the last codex as if sister's didn't get something in CA to fix them. They could have done the same for GSC. So yes, GSC is the only one who doesn't have a codex, a beta codex is still something.

And it wasn't CA this year that broke GSC it was CA a full year ago that broke it, and that's been completely ignored. GW doesn't seem to have any care if people can actually play games with the pile of expensive plastic we bought.

No "hey guys they're was issue X, so the codex is delayed for X months." Nope just constant promises of being "right around the corner" since August, then pushing it to the side to do campaign crap.


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KurtAngle2 wrote:

Danny slag wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:

Danny slag wrote:
Yeah this is somewhat rant, but seriously, did GW forget about GSC? They've already started moving onto campaign books and supplements while apparently forgetting they still have one codex they never released. And no the answer isn't "someone had to be last" I was fine having my codex be last, I was fine waiting. But now they're literally releasing extended content and campaign books that don't include my army. WTF GW? So GSC just don't get special detachments because you couldn't be bothered to finish your codex releases first?

How many supplements and campaigns are we going to have to miss out on content for waiting for our damn codex?

It's apparently releasing at the end of January, some reviewers are getting it now

Honestly I'll believe it when i see it, they've been saying 'within weeks' on their FB page for 4 months. and if it was that close they should have waited until after the codex to do any campaign books so that it wasn't the one single army left completely out of the new rules. Writing a campaign book that blatantly leaves out one army was a slap in the face. It was also a really poor planning on their part. I mean who makes such a bone headed decision to be like "lets move on to campaigns, and shove those out, who cares if one army isn't done yet, just don't include them."

Trust me, it's happening real soon. Also January the 5th they will be officially revealing it

I guess not the 5th

The wait was worth it. Those bikers are amazing. The ATV. The gunslinger. The friggin' DRILL.

 slave.entity wrote:
The wait was worth it. Those bikers are amazing. The ATV. The gunslinger. The friggin' DRILL.

It's a very exciting time to play Genestealer Cults

Again, your book is probably a month at most away, and you again seem ignorant of the traditional codex cycle. This edition has been the fastest GW has ever updated books and is the first I've ever played were every book was updated in the same edition.

Your getting new model, even as an index army your no where near the bottom of the factions. Your also far from the last codex, considering that GW has let half a dozen FW armies languish with no sign of what they are going to do with them, and several other factions have gotten no update.

Danny slag wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Danny slag wrote:

People on dakka really struggle with reading comprehension don't you? How many times have you all regurgitated "someone had to be last." When that's never been what I said. My problem isn't being last, it's being given the middle finger while supplements are released instead of finishing the last codex. They did every other codex, every one, except GSC before doing supplements. Then they just kinda fethed off and started doing other things before fixing my army that their chapter approved broke. Not one, but not two campaign books.

Seriously, dude, lay off the caffeine for a bit.

Which is more likely? That GW are delaying the codex specifically to insult you, or that there were production-related factors that resulted in the release happening when it is?

While it might have been nice for some word from GW about why they were releasing supplements before finishing the codexes, at the end of the day it's a game of toy soldiers. If you have to wait an extra month for your new book, the world is unlikely to actually end as a result.

It's also an objectively wrong statement.
They are by far not the last codex to be, yet the others didn't even get a propperly updated index and have no rumors about them.

Several people keep saying it's not the last codex as if sister's didn't get something in CA to fix them. They could have done the same for GSC. So yes, GSC is the only one who doesn't have a codex, a beta codex is still something.

And it wasn't CA this year that broke GSC it was CA a full year ago that broke it, and that's been completely ignored. GW doesn't seem to have any care if people can actually play games with the pile of expensive plastic we bought.

No "hey guys they're was issue X, so the codex is delayed for X months." Nope just constant promises of being "right around the corner" since August, then pushing it to the side to do campaign crap.


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KurtAngle2 wrote:

Danny slag wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:

Danny slag wrote:
Yeah this is somewhat rant, but seriously, did GW forget about GSC? They've already started moving onto campaign books and supplements while apparently forgetting they still have one codex they never released. And no the answer isn't "someone had to be last" I was fine having my codex be last, I was fine waiting. But now they're literally releasing extended content and campaign books that don't include my army. WTF GW? So GSC just don't get special detachments because you couldn't be bothered to finish your codex releases first?

How many supplements and campaigns are we going to have to miss out on content for waiting for our damn codex?

It's apparently releasing at the end of January, some reviewers are getting it now

Honestly I'll believe it when i see it, they've been saying 'within weeks' on their FB page for 4 months. and if it was that close they should have waited until after the codex to do any campaign books so that it wasn't the one single army left completely out of the new rules. Writing a campaign book that blatantly leaves out one army was a slap in the face. It was also a really poor planning on their part. I mean who makes such a bone headed decision to be like "lets move on to campaigns, and shove those out, who cares if one army isn't done yet, just don't include them."

Trust me, it's happening real soon. Also January the 5th they will be officially revealing it

I guess not the 5th

Ok let's see, i am not talking about Sisters.
I am talking about the FW index armies, you know the ones like DKoK, Elysians, Renegades and Heretics, Eldar Corsairs.

let's see, corsairs are nigh unplayable right now, literally, infact they were nigh unplayable even at launch in 8th they got ripped apart so hard.
DKoK, ohh look it's astra militarum sans regimental traits, gutted into 1 list, no other stuff like relics, just like your little GSC dudes, except, THEY AIN'T HAVING ANY BOOK IN UNDER A MONTH, and pay more then guardsmen for +1 ws.
Renegades, oh wait, a index list so badly written that it invalidated 70% of all previous armies, infact so badly written that half the fething charachters lacked the Charachter keyword?, you know, the one you probably have on your HQ's`? Not to mention that around 40% of all units are gone, and on top of that pays premium for gak stats? were' talking worse then conscripts now are after the nerf party?
Elysians, rest in pieces, that list sucks equally to DKoK.

So excuse me but you come over as extremly entitled,and you are objectively wrong.

Yes they could've done the same sister treatment in the CA, sure, but they could've done the same thing with all these lists above.



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 Stux wrote:

 slave.entity wrote:
The wait was worth it. Those bikers are amazing. The ATV. The gunslinger. The friggin' DRILL.

It's a very exciting time to play Genestealer Cults

Not only that but the models are fairly nice to convert into anything else, like regular cultists or other fringe armies that got taken behind the shed.

Yeah the wait may have been long but if all the models are revealed now then in 2 weeks or so the book should be out. If a GSC beta codex was in CA people would be pissed that they had to buy the book twice or that X pages are invalidated

Danny slag wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Danny slag wrote:

People on dakka really struggle with reading comprehension don't you? How many times have you all regurgitated "someone had to be last." When that's never been what I said. My problem isn't being last, it's being given the middle finger while supplements are released instead of finishing the last codex. They did every other codex, every one, except GSC before doing supplements. Then they just kinda fethed off and started doing other things before fixing my army that their chapter approved broke. Not one, but not two campaign books.

Seriously, dude, lay off the caffeine for a bit.

Which is more likely? That GW are delaying the codex specifically to insult you, or that there were production-related factors that resulted in the release happening when it is?

While it might have been nice for some word from GW about why they were releasing supplements before finishing the codexes, at the end of the day it's a game of toy soldiers. If you have to wait an extra month for your new book, the world is unlikely to actually end as a result.

It's also an objectively wrong statement.
They are by far not the last codex to be, yet the others didn't even get a propperly updated index and have no rumors about them.

Several people keep saying it's not the last codex as if sister's didn't get something in CA to fix them. They could have done the same for GSC. So yes, GSC is the only one who doesn't have a codex, a beta codex is still something.

And it wasn't CA this year that broke GSC it was CA a full year ago that broke it, and that's been completely ignored. GW doesn't seem to have any care if people can actually play games with the pile of expensive plastic we bought.

No "hey guys they're was issue X, so the codex is delayed for X months." Nope just constant promises of being "right around the corner" since August, then pushing it to the side to do campaign crap.

Sisters got a BETA dex - so NOT a fething Codex - you know the plush hardback book YOU will be getting with a whole LOAD of models.

Oh yeah plus the rules GSC actually got in Fall of Viglis remnd me of what rules Sisters got then ? Go On

Sheesh entitled much

 Mr Morden wrote:


Sheesh entitled much

It almost makes me want to vote Republican.

Hi

I’m Mad Doc Grotsnik. You may remember me from such threads as ‘Pondering The Life Cycle Of a Genestealer Cult’ or ‘I love effing love cooking, me’.

My first army, way back in the dim and distant past, was Genestealer Cults. Circa 1994. When they were stuffed in up the back of the 2nd Ed Tyranid Codex.

23 or so years I waited for GSC to return. And for 8th, I’ve barely been waiting at all. Another few weeks will hardly hurt.

GSC are all about slowly building their numbers covertly, then biding their time patiently until the perfect moment arises.

Just get into character, drum your fingers like Genestealer Patriarch Mr Burns and assemble your forces in the mean time.

10/10, would laugh at OP again.

I mean, wow, what do you have to do to have this much pent up angst about toy soldiers?

Oh boy somebody better call the WAAAAAHmbulance!

GSC are getting a codex either this month or early next, they are getting quite a nice selection of new models as well. It sucks that it took so long, but it is easily worth the wait for all the goodies GSC are receiving.

nareik wrote:
Geneuary!

Orktober/Novembork

Decemboxedsets

Geneuary

Must mean FebruAbbadon is coming!

 JohnnyHell wrote:

nareik wrote:
Geneuary!

Orktober/Novembork

Decemboxedsets

Geneuary

Must mean FebruAbbadon is coming!

Abby is about 58 days out now. So March-ish for him and the next campaign book.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

nareik wrote:
Geneuary!

Orktober/Novembork

Decemboxedsets

Geneuary

Must mean FebruAbbadon is coming!

You must mean Failbruary

 JohnnyHell wrote:

nareik wrote:
Geneuary!

Orktober/Novembork

Decemboxedsets

Geneuary

Must mean FebruAbbadon is coming!

December was Crimson Fistmas!

Hahaha so it was!

Do we think when the codex is released, GSC will be a viable pure army?

Shinzra wrote:
Do we think when the codex is released, GSC will be a viable pure army?

It was pretty viable before, but that was with dirtier tricks that got binned - new kits should be a boon, but it's hard to say yet. I'm betting the characters and that drill are going to have quite a few tricks of their own.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Hi

I’m Mad Doc Grotsnik. You may remember me from such threads as ‘Pondering The Life Cycle Of a Genestealer Cult’ or ‘I love effing love cooking, me’.

My first army, way back in the dim and distant past, was Genestealer Cults. Circa 1994. When they were stuffed in up the back of the 2nd Ed Tyranid Codex.

23 or so years I waited for GSC to return. And for 8th, I’ve barely been waiting at all. Another few weeks will hardly hurt.

I'm totally there with you M.D.G. Going through my bitz and stuff I just recently re-found my original, very poorly painted, GSC Magus and the body of my original, fat Patriarch (freaking arms are somewhere...). Of course I lost the Magus again...sneaky little gits those GSC...

let's see, corsairs are nigh unplayable right now, literally, infact they were nigh unplayable even at launch in 8th they got ripped apart so hard.
DKoK, ohh look it's astra militarum sans regimental traits, gutted into 1 list, no other stuff like relics, just like your little GSC dudes, except, THEY AIN'T HAVING ANY BOOK IN UNDER A MONTH, and pay more then guardsmen for +1 ws.
Renegades, oh wait, a index list so badly written that it invalidated 70% of all previous armies, infact so badly written that half the fething charachters lacked the Charachter keyword?, you know, the one you probably have on your HQ's`? Not to mention that around 40% of all units are gone, and on top of that pays premium for gak stats? were' talking worse then conscripts now are after the nerf party?
Elysians, rest in pieces, that list sucks equally to DKoK.

So excuse me but you come over as extremly entitled,and you are objectively wrong.

Yes this. You're getting your codex, soon, these FW armies might not ever get anything for the rest of 8th. With how slow FW has been, I don't see it as out of the realm of possiblity.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Shinzra wrote:
Do we think when the codex is released, GSC will be a viable pure army?

It was pretty viable before, but that was with dirtier tricks that got binned - new kits should be a boon, but it's hard to say yet. I'm betting the characters and that drill are going to have quite a few tricks of their own.

They still see some tournament play as is, post Big FAQs! Damn sight more than any other Index force at this point, and probably some Codex armies. And they've placed highly as part of a Tyranid mixed force.

Impossible to say how viable they'll be post Codex of course, there's always the risk that they get totally broken! But given they're in such a decent spot already I'm pretty optimistic.

Shinzra wrote:
Do we think when the codex is released, GSC will be a viable pure army?

They already are a viable good army, remember ITC isnt warhammer, dont always look at ITC top tier lists and think thats what 99% players do, its far from it.

I know some GSC players that go to non ITC tournaments and table other others and win nearly every game.

You should look at James (IDK his last name) Warhammer Heat 3, if i remember it correctly he was undefeated and in top 5, yes he had some Tyranids (Genestealers, 2 Neurothropes and some rippers i believe for a battalion for CP and bc Kraken Stealers are amazing).

Dakkadakka is SO much into ITC they dont understand there is a huge world moving along without ITC.