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Shrike is more of an emo band member than Toby McGuire.

More My Chemical Romance than fake bad boy.

Sounds like you're stereotyping people with long black hair!

 fraser1191 wrote:
Sounds like you're stereotyping people with long black hair!

Only when they wear a fringe over one eye.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't expect a unit for everyone.

For Raven Guard? Maybe. I keep harping on this but they're likely to do Chapter Masters with 3 model sets and a 'signature' unit.

See: Calgar and Victrix Honor Guard.

wasn't calgar originally released with honor guard minis back in his original resin release though? meanwhile other chapter master minis, such as Pedro where not. I'd not expect him to be plastic just because of Calgar. I'd ratehr expect this release to be more akin or Korsarro Khan and Tiggy

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
Sounds like you're stereotyping people with long black hair!

Only when they wear a fringe over one eye.

You clearly don't understand his angst!

 fraser1191 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
Sounds like you're stereotyping people with long black hair!

Only when they wear a fringe over one eye.

You clearly don't understand his angst!

I tend to gravitate towards power metal so yeah I don't.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't expect a unit for everyone.

For Raven Guard? Maybe. I keep harping on this but they're likely to do Chapter Masters with 3 model sets and a 'signature' unit.

See: Calgar and Victrix Honor Guard.

wasn't calgar originally released with honor guard minis back in his original resin release though? meanwhile other chapter master minis, such as Pedro where not.

The difference is that Honor Guard weren't an "Ultramarines only" thing at the time of the release in metal. Calgar got released with the Honor Guard, but so did Sevrin Loth for the Red Scorpions...and it wasn't exactly hard to come up with themed Honor Guard for your Chapters. They basically were just Command Squads with a few bobbles.

I'd not expect him to be plastic just because of Calgar.

I think you might have mistyped something here, because we know he's plastic.

I'd ratehr expect this release to be more akin or Korsarro Khan and Tiggy

Khan's a Captain, not a Chapter Master.
Tigurius is a Librarian, not a Chapter Master.

Shrike and Feirros are both Chapter Masters, with exceedingly different kit to the standard setups. That's why I'm harping on the bit about an 'Honor Guard' unit for each one.

I mean I'd not be expecting HONOR GUARD out with his plastic release just because Calgar got one.

Shrike and Feirros are both Chapter Masters, with exceedingly different kit to the standard setups. That's why I'm harping on the bit about an 'Honor Guard' unit for each one.

it doesn't matter what their title is, there's no reason to expect they'll be anymore then 1 figure. if he gets an honor guard GREAT but expecting one is setting yourself up for dissappointment

Let me put it like this then:
We know part of the push for these supplements is to provide a way for the factions to get something unique and signature to them.

Correct?
It would make sense for them to get a unique Honor Guard for Shrike, partly because of the fact that the thing that Raven Guard are uniquely known for(Captains with Jump Packs) can't exactly be unique like the Khan on Bike entry can be.

The same thing goes for Feirros and Iron Hands, since the Gravis Captain can't exactly be unique there either.

And just so we're clear:
I'm not "This is happening! THE SIGNS ARE THERE!" expecting it. I just think that it's silly to think that this doesn't have an extremely high likelihood.

Just because Khan and Tigurius didn't get anything special doesn't mean that two actual Chapter Masters won't.

Eh feirros isn’t technically a chapter master. I’m not surprised people keep misunderstanding who he is what an iron father is since Iron Hands are both one of the least codex compliant and one of the least written about chapters.

So many folks are thinking he’s either a techmarine or a chapter master (which he COULD sorta be—have to see the fluff they update for him).

Iron Fathers are kind of an elected council that collectively lead the Iron Hands. Kardan Stronos most recently served as de-facto “chapter master”, but it is only a temporary title.

Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but I'm betting Shrike's new armor is a tease for a Primaris Assault unit.

It has phobos-pattern legs but they're modified with Suppressor-style jump jets — while his torso is the standard omnis-pattern armor of intercessors/suppressors.The jump pack is slightly different from Suppressors as well with larger nozzles and quad-grav chutes. So it's like a lighter, more mobile version of the Suppressor — throw in some proper close combat weapons and viola, Primaris Assault Marines... or it could just be a unique set of armor for Shrike, since the Mk.X is completely modular...

I don't think these will be the rumored "Hellfury's" though, since those are supposed to be a fire support unit. Hoping those will turn out to be our proper Primaris Devastators.

As for the model itself, I'll agree with the fact it is super busy — I actually like models with lots of details and bits on them, but the jump pack's grav chutes, smoke(?) launchers, and jump jet nozzles stick out like a sore thumb and kind of ruin the silhouette. I think they went a little too far with the fringe hair as well. Grant the fact this is the Raven Guard chapter master, who it is perfectly suited for, but you know they messed up a bit when 90% of the negative feedback is related to his hair. Hopefully that beaky helmet can replace his head! His pose is really awkward too though, he's got that "I challenge you!" vibe going while trying to balance on the edge of a concrete wall, I would of preferred a more combat-oriented pose for him, but it is what it is. People might warm up to the Lighting Claws after seeing a 360* view of them, they remind me of the retractable wristblades the Predator wears, so I already like them. The feathers and claw-spurs are a nice touch too.

I'm pretty sure his base is so tall because it is a substitute for those dreadful flying stands (notice they're about the same height?)

While I've really enjoyed the other Primaris'fied characters I really, really don't like the new Shrike model. The haircut is silly, the pose is just... I don't get what he's doing to parrot another poster and the lightning claws are tiny. I really hope you can model him with the helmet on because otherwise this will be a big miss for me.

Shrike's pose is similar to the Primaris Captain, so I think the idea is to be inspiring to his allies and imposing to his foes.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Overall, I like the bits I like more than I dislike the head.

For quite a busy model, it's still quite clean. The pouches make sense from a stealth point of view (well, kinda) in that your grenades and spare magazines won't be clinking against one another.

I actually agree on this point. I think the chest is reasonably well done, despite being wierd primaris muscle armor. (lacking the glorious hellenistic beauty of Blood Angels' patented Nipple Plate)

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I absolutely love the swung-back foot claws. Really are my favourite part of the model.

...Why? I can kinda almost see GW writing in some kind of rule that perhaps they count for extra attacks on the charge, as in they swing backwards from the toes as he lands, and maybe work like an extra set of power claws... but they really don't do it for me. Perhaps because the back of Shrike's calves are already quite cluttered? Think they would've been better just sculpted as toe-blades, as it's sort of only implied that they move.

Crimson wrote:Apart the head and the forward poking doodahs on the backpack it looks great. And those things are easy to fix. However, a simple headswap seems to be beyond capabilities of most of the Dakka, so they must endlessly cry about the emo hair.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that GW said on FB that you can swap out his head. Most characters these days have a helmeted option.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I just have to applaud the thread's title.

I'm only out here for the guys who like bad puns, everyone else can go home.

fraser1191 wrote:He's very busy and flashy, so as a chapter master he's flashier than everything else so he's easy to pick out on the table.

Also the claws retract like wolverine so that's how he can get his pistol

Hmm, get what you're saying with the chapter master bit, but I feel like, less than flashy - his only flash is a few feathers and bird skulls, that's like, the same as a FW torso upgrade for any old chump, no? Other than that, he's just a bit more angular. And where have you gotten the wolverine bit from?

Nithaniel wrote:

The terrain piece he's on is annoying. He's clearly doing a bad job of hiding and I would worry that if you modelled him without the high base you'd be told you're modelling for advantage.

Funny that the base is getting so much flak. A good mate of mine described it as the only part of the model he liked.

Kanluwen wrote:
It's interesting that they showed just Shrike. Assuming they do what they did with Calgar, he's going to have a bodyguard unit.

Hmm, I think Calgar got the bodyguard unit because he'd been packaged with honor guards for a while before being en-biggened. I think it'd be neato if they did that for all the chapter bigwigs, but I think it'll only be for characters who've usually had 'em, eg, Grimaldus and his servitors.

Ishagu wrote:It's a great and unique model. I love seeing more distinction between different characters and chapters.

The old Shrike was just a generic beaky with twin claws.

This model isn't perfectly to my liking but I'd need to see if in 3D and in person.

Man, my thing with primaris-izing pre-existing characters is kinda...
...like, these chapters were always unique, and GW never explored it all that much. I would have much preferred that, say, Raven Guard got a cool scoutmaster scout character, IF got some kind of Heavy-bolter toting captain/sarge/terminator or maybe a tank commander, Black Templars got a special character assault marine etc. as part of exploring that, pre the primaris days. But instead now GW are just re-booting characters that already exist. It feels like kind of a shame that that never happened, and most likely we won't get many primaris special characters beyond these, either, as only Ultramarines get to have more than 2 at most unique characters...

NivlacSupreme wrote:I do rather like the trend of Primaris marines carrying their helmet (or half of their helmet) maglocked to their armour when not using it. It makes marginally more sense than not wearing it.

Y'know, I kinda like it too. Sorta wish the half-helm thing had been more of a thing for classic marines.

VictorVonTzeentch wrote: He's always had Smoke Launchers modeled on, and he's always had rules for a Bolt Pistol. Now he has hands with which to use the pistol. I like the model. Its silly, but I like it.

Hope he never tries to aim that pistol at anything below him... those curved claw tips might make standing to his left pretty exciting when he's shooting.

aka_mythos wrote:To the people that don't like him they see something reminiscent of Toby Maguire as he appears in the cringy parts of Spiderman 3 where he portray's Peter Parker's distorted sense of what's cool... or some emo music performer. To the people that like him they see something more like Sebastian Stan as the Winter Soldier in all the Captain America and Avengers movies... which was far more likely the sculptor's intention; that is a soldier that is willing and able to wage a one man war.

Good lord I hope GW doesn't actually start taking design cues from Marvel. I think the people who aren't fans of the head are less concerned about Toby Maguire than they are about how his fashion choices obscure half his face (I can't imagine that being easy to paint, either...). Again, other than the primaris masky bits, I kinda like the head. My main issue is how cluttered and difficult to decifer the entire rest of the model is.

aka_mythos wrote:
They obviously took design cues for his head from that character, and helmetless was alway likely. When you look at the different Chapter Master minis he was the only one wearing a helmet. While reality dictates that's the smart move, the game exists in the same sort of fictional setting that lets action movie heroes get away with not having a helmet and not having helmet on becomes a way to denote significance while adding traits to distinguish the character as an individual.

No helmets is an age old tabletop model tradition. Makes important guys stand out.

aka_mythos wrote: One of the things used consistently to describe the Raven Guard are their skin and hair... two things not visible with a helmet on. When it comes to the Raven Guard they're sharp eyed, broody with black hair, and while it might not be a popular depiction of dark and brooding it is an immediately recognizable characterization that's being used.

I actually super agree with this one.

Not Online!!! wrote:

Sorry but my army is exclusivly blasting price of a Star system.

Real Raven Guard listen Pg.99, Rites of Spring, Cap'n Jazz and Loma Prieta. Only successor chapters listen to MCR, American Football and Mineral.

I think the claws on his lighting claw look like they might be retractable. yeah thats right, Shrike's gone Wolverine!

Real Raven Guard listen Pg.99, Rites of Spring, Cap'n Jazz and Loma Prieta. Only successor chapters listen to MCR, American Football and Mineral.

You forgot linkin loyalists, secondly i ain't Raven Guard.

 fraser1191 wrote:

Breton wrote:
I’m disappointed they kept one claw. It should have stayed a matched pair, or gone completely the other way. I saw someone suggest giving him a sniper rifle, and that would have been cool, a sniper rifle and a something CCW ish. Or keep the pair of the Ravens Talons. The halfway thing sucks.

He still has talons though...

Also making him shooty would be lame imo

The Talons were a matched pair of Lightning Claws. He has pointy sticks that remind you of the named piece of relic wargear supposedly handed down for generations.

Making him sniper shooty would be OK. Their thing was scouts and jump marines. Having him transition to Phobos sniper wouldn't suck. But he still needs some sort of power weapon for close combat.

Its a decent model imo except for the godawful head.
Definitely in need of a helmet swap.

 Ratius wrote:
Its a decent model imo except for the godawful head.
Definitely in need of a helmet swap.

Standing on a 6 foot tall stone block is worse than the head. Lets be honest, spray paint him Retributor gold, wash with Reikland Gloss, and he's an imperial statue.

Breton wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
Its a decent model imo except for the godawful head.
Definitely in need of a helmet swap.

Standing on a 6 foot tall stone block is worse than the head. Lets be honest, spray paint him Retributor gold, wash with Reikland Gloss, and he's an imperial statue.

SEE! AND YOU SAID HE WASN'T STEALTHY!

seriously though, he's a HQ making his model stand out makes sense. he's presumably going to be a centerpiece of any army he's in.

Breton wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
Its a decent model imo except for the godawful head.
Definitely in need of a helmet swap.

Standing on a 6 foot tall stone block is worse than the head. Lets be honest, spray paint him Retributor gold, wash with Reikland Gloss, and he's an imperial statue.

You don't have the imagination required to think he's actually landing there, don't you?

 Kithail wrote:

Breton wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
Its a decent model imo except for the godawful head.
Definitely in need of a helmet swap.

Standing on a 6 foot tall stone block is worse than the head. Lets be honest, spray paint him Retributor gold, wash with Reikland Gloss, and he's an imperial statue.

You don't have the imagination required to think he's actually landing there, don't you?

I just think terrain like that is a bit dumb because it follows the model all over the battlefield. It looks cool in itself, and I know a lot of people like, but personally I always get rid of terrain chunks on bases - I just think it's silly. The current Assassins are really bad for it too.

 Kithail wrote:

Breton wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
Its a decent model imo except for the godawful head.
Definitely in need of a helmet swap.

Standing on a 6 foot tall stone block is worse than the head. Lets be honest, spray paint him Retributor gold, wash with Reikland Gloss, and he's an imperial statue.

You don't have the imagination required to think he's actually landing there, don't you?

I think it's a pretty static pose after we've had years and years of the one foot on the ground jump pack poses, and the posture with the gun says mid-landing is highly unlikely. Nor do I think a tactical and strategic superhuman genius would land on TOP of the giant block of cover when he could have landed BEHIND it.

 posermcbogus wrote:

fraser1191 wrote:He's very busy and flashy, so as a chapter master he's flashier than everything else so he's easy to pick out on the table.

Also the claws retract like wolverine so that's how he can get his pistol

Hmm, get what you're saying with the chapter master bit, but I feel like, less than flashy - his only flash is a few feathers and bird skulls, that's like, the same as a FW torso upgrade for any old chump, no? Other than that, he's just a bit more angular. And where have you gotten the wolverine bit from?

Look at one claw then the other, you can see it better in the detail picture. But one claw is significantly shorter than the other

Breton wrote:

 Kithail wrote:

Breton wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
Its a decent model imo except for the godawful head.
Definitely in need of a helmet swap.

Standing on a 6 foot tall stone block is worse than the head. Lets be honest, spray paint him Retributor gold, wash with Reikland Gloss, and he's an imperial statue.

You don't have the imagination required to think he's actually landing there, don't you?

I think it's a pretty static pose after we've had years and years of the one foot on the ground jump pack poses, and the posture with the gun says mid-landing is highly unlikely. Nor do I think a tactical and strategic superhuman genius would land on TOP of the giant block of cover when he could have landed BEHIND it.

Maybe he needed to see over something else to shoot something with his bolt-compensator-array.

I think the terrain block is preferable over him dangling on a flimsy flight stand.

 Crimson wrote:
I think the terrain block is preferable over him dangling on a flimsy flight stand.

*bad memories of Inceptor Flight Stands*

Maybe the terrain isn't so bad. GW is terrible at flight stands.

 Flinty wrote:


Maybe he needed to see over something else to shoot something with his bolt-compensator-array.

With the arraya of data a chapter master has access to, he should be able to shot from behind a wall while facing backwards.


I have no problem with the model positionining, the pistol is meh, and make the model too cluttered. The head part is an abomination though. Just like in movies main characters run around without helmets or masks on, so we can see their facial expressions. Face patern recognition is crucial to humans, and having problems with recognising it is something horrible . Having half the face covered by the mask and almost the rest covered by those flippy hair, expresses nothing. It would probably be better to remove the head and replace it with the helmet he has on the hip, as this would at least make the model more symetric.

games wise making your model taller is always a bad idea, for someone who ain't shoting from 40"+ away

BrianDavion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't expect a unit for everyone.

For Raven Guard? Maybe. I keep harping on this but they're likely to do Chapter Masters with 3 model sets and a 'signature' unit.

See: Calgar and Victrix Honor Guard.

wasn't calgar originally released with honor guard minis back in his original resin release though? meanwhile other chapter master minis, such as Pedro where not. I'd not expect him to be plastic just because of Calgar. I'd ratehr expect this release to be more akin or Korsarro Khan and Tiggy

Well his original release was metal. I think they did a resin release of his power/artificier armor then they did a boxed set Terminator Armor with honor guard - including the Chapter Ancient and Chapter Champion plus the two left-overs with Axes of Ultramar.

I'm not sure they can do much more than Primarisize Shrike and turn him loose without the White Scars players howling bloody murder. If they introduce new Chapter units, I think it will be in the campaign book. So let's hope it's not Ultramarine based. Even I, as a UM player, would like to see some other chapters be front and center. They'll have to add another Primarch or two for that as well so it's not Guilliman and friends. The new thing is supposed to be psychic heavy, so Corax as an instinctive but not powered warp user is possible... but I'd still prefer the Johnson/Russ return. They can even call back to the Burning of Prospero with Russ.


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 ChargerIIC wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I think the terrain block is preferable over him dangling on a flimsy flight stand.

*bad memories of Inceptor Flight Stands*

Maybe the terrain isn't so bad. GW is terrible at flight stands.

Get the painting Handle with the Doctor Octopus arms. Once I figured that out, Inceptor and Suppresor flight stands were a breeze. Grab the Model with the arms, a drop of superglue move the arms/model to make contact, Fast Forward past your tv show's commercials, done.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

Khan's a Captain, not a Chapter Master.
Tigurius is a Librarian, not a Chapter Master.

Shrike and Feirros are both Chapter Masters, with exceedingly different kit to the standard setups. That's why I'm harping on the bit about an 'Honor Guard' unit for each one.

Supplement White Scars is a SM supplement, not a Campaign book.
Supplement Ultramarines is a SM supplement, not a campaign book
Supplement Ravenguard will be a SM supplement, not a Campaign Book.
The Vixtrix Guard were introduced in Vigilus. A Campaign book.

They're not going to drop new units in the supplements after White Scars didn't get any. They'll be in the campaign book. And then it'll be for everyone, or it will only be for the central chapter. They'll primarisify one character for the chapter getting a SM Supplement, maybe add one if they only had one, or add a primaris character if they don't primarisify the previous one.

we'll likely see a single plastic character for each chapter in their supplement, no more.

Get the painting Handle with the Doctor Octopus arms. Once I figured that out, Inceptor and Suppresor flight stands were a breeze. Grab the Model with the arms, a drop of superglue move the arms/model to make contact, Fast Forward past your tv show's commercials, done.

intreasting idea, figure the trick'd work with plastic glue too? I've got some supressors I still need to base.