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People, and especially vanilla SM players, just rage on SW out of jealousy, and it's pretty pathetic to witness.
   
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If this means that it's easier for them to spread out non-marine releases in some way, then yeah I'm up for it. Given GW's track record though, I'm expecting a bunch of other marine books still being released alongside this one before they scrap half of them for another edition.
   
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WhiteDog wrote:
People, and especially vanilla SM players, just rage on SW out of jealousy, and it's pretty pathetic to witness.


As someone with a large SW army and increasingly ashamed of what they have become the lore and wolf wolf models are just horible adn embaressing.


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 Mr Morden wrote:
WhiteDog wrote:
People, and especially vanilla SM players, just rage on SW out of jealousy, and it's pretty pathetic to witness.


As someone with a large SW army and increasingly ashamed of what they have become the lore and wolf wolf models are just horible adn embaressing.


This is part of why I stopped playing my Wolves. I want to get back in but they just keep pushing me away...

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the wolves used to be cool...but then wolfymcwolferton happened.
   
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I think this is a positive change for the game.

I feel if some flavour is lost, but they've had to errata the same rules a dozen times (like Duty Eternal) because each of these bloody chapters has their own versions of the same stratagem.

They need some rules consolidation. Also, if they piecemeal the supplements, they can keep "marines updates" constant while also allowing Xenos / Chaos to get more frequent updates too. If Space Wolves / Blood Angels / Dark Angels take up a whole codex release, it means longer wait times for a lot of other armies that get very little love.
   
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Right behind you.

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Big NO. I couldn't care less about other chapters.

I wouldn't want a 1000 pages book or one of the current average size but with lots of reduced stuff for my chapter.

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For me it was more when Logan "I started a civil war with the Grey Knights and literally decapitated a Grand Master on the bridge of his own warship for being a dishonourable douche-canoe for trying to assassinate me" Grimnar decided to roll over and let those same Grey Knights genocide his homeworld because GW needed some excuse to push Primaris reinforcements onto the SW.

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They're doing the best of both worlds: just a single codex + a supplement for each first founding.

Completely agree with this.

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Racerguy180 wrote:
the wolves used to be cool...but then wolfymcwolferton happened.


It's the only reason why I like a SM chapter

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 Kanluwen wrote:
Wolfy McWolferton's always been there.


No sign of him in the original Chapter Approved book with the SW vs Orks campaign or Rogue Trader

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 Grimskul wrote:
If this means that it's easier for them to spread out non-marine releases in some way, then yeah I'm up for it. Given GW's track record though, I'm expecting a bunch of other marine books still being released alongside this one before they scrap half of them for another edition.


This is the biggest bonus to me, if it reduces the amount of release time for marines in general (looking at you PA) then it gives more time to improve things like Craftworlds etc. I am all for that. The number of marine kits compared to Xenos is off the charts. Great for the Necron players currently, hope others get the same treatment. Could you imagine Drukhari getting a proper "court" with multiple HQ options? That would be great.
   
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Putting all marines in one book is fine with me- as long as DA, BA, etc. keep their unique units, rules, organization and so on. I greatly dislike that I would need to purchase the codex and a supplement to play my DA in 9th. Pure cash-grab.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
Wolfy McWolferton's always been there.

It used to be much less of an issue though. As did the stupid naming in general...

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Blastaar wrote:
Putting all marines in one book is fine with me- as long as DA, BA, etc. keep their unique units, rules, organization and so on.


They will - most of them would be catered for by a single line in a dataslate but they will likely keep them.

Organisation is mostly lore so it will be adjusted to incoprorate Primaris as with every other SM chapter.

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WhiteDog wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 Sasori wrote:
This is something people have been asking for a very long time, and I think it's a positive change.



Only if "people" is defined as "annoying online-only vocal minority"...

People can't have it both ways.

There were complaints about needing "too many sources" to build an army while waiting for updated books.
There were complaints about Marines getting "too much attention" whenever these other books got updated--even when it was just copy/pasting bits from the core book into the other books.
There were complaints about how "buffing X made Y broken, but Y was okay with everyone else!".

Now they take steps to alleviate those problems and it's not a good thing? It was "an annoying online-only vocal minority"?

People complain that there are "too many sources".

GW's solution to "alleviate" those problems : force DA/SW/BA into buying two books.



Ok,to be fair I already did that. I'd buy the basic Marine codex & then I'd buy my DA & SW codex. I've never minded owning 3 books. Because I play Marines, SW & DA. I just pull wichever one I intend to use off the shelf & into the gaming bag.
With this? Now I'll still own 3 books, but I'll have to pull TWO books to do the job of one.
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 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
So, with the new Space Marine Codex on the horizon (bit too soon for my tastes), with all new merging all power armoured Imperial Space Marines into one book, with unique traits being represented via supplements, it seems.

Worst thing to happen to your faction? Exactly what you wanted? Discuss!


You know, I would have been all for this less than a year ago, and then supplements happened, and now this makes me unhappy because I hate buying books.

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 Vector Strike wrote:
They're doing the best of both worlds: just a single codex + a supplement for each first founding.


"Best" is an interesting synonym for "worst", Vector, especially for any player who previously played one of the Chapters getting mugged here.

And that's not even touching the weirdness of claiming the Deathwatch follow the Codex Astartes - has whoever made that claim not read their background, FFS?

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

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 Dysartes wrote:
And that's not even touching the weirdness of claiming the Deathwatch follow the Codex Astartes - has whoever made that claim not read their background, FFS?
I think it's less that they follow the Codex, and more that they use more or less exactly the same units that the core Space Marine book does.

A simple page explaining how Deathwatch get access to, say, Deathwatch Veterans as a Troops choice, but lose out on Tactical Squads, for example.

Saves them having nearly an identical codex barring like four units, and needing a whole new book.

I think the big thing this will encourage is doing multiple Chapters and freedom in Chapter selection. Now, if you want to play nearly ANY Space Marine Chapter, you only need to pick up that one book, and you can specialise down the line. For new players, that's got to be incredibly liberating - now, instead of needing to explain to them when they first show interest in Space Marines how you need to choose immediately between the normal book, the grey marines, green marines, and red marines, you can just point them straight to the core Codex.

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 Dysartes wrote:
 Vector Strike wrote:
They're doing the best of both worlds: just a single codex + a supplement for each first founding.


"Best" is an interesting synonym for "worst", Vector, especially for any player who previously played one of the Chapters getting mugged here.

And that's not even touching the weirdness of claiming the Deathwatch follow the Codex Astartes - has whoever made that claim not read their background, FFS?


Who made that claim? Its not like Salamanders have a codex organization, yet they're part of the general marine codex.
You're mistaking a common reference book for building a list for games as a change in lore.

All the shared stuff goes in the main marine book (and as a result all the common updates in the future happen to everyone), the special units and background information for the special snowflakes goes in their supplements.

if its just a complaint about buying two books, then fine, I get that.
But no one is losing their special background or special stuff.

Really- practical experiment here- take all the common datasheets out of <XX> chapter (or deathwatch) codex, and the descriptive unit entries, and the common background (not the 'this chapter is...' background, but the 'a space marine is...', 'the Imperium is...'. How many pages are left? Is it significantly greater than the ultramarine supplement?

Also consider GW. After wave after wave after wave of marine releases, is anyone _really_ expecting that they're going to stop selling (and making) special chapter kits?
Really, GW is going to stop selling marine kits because they're attached to a supplement rather than a separate codex? How likely is that?
I don't think that passes a logic test.

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They're not all being merged into one book though.

By the time Red, Green, Grey and Black/Silver Marines have got their supplements there will still be the same number of Marine books as there are now.


If I had my way, there would be a single book with no extra supplements.
   
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 Lord Damocles wrote:
They're not all being merged into one book though.

By the time Red, Green, Grey and Black/Silver Marines have got their supplements there will still be the same number of Marine books as there are now.


If I had my way, there would be a single book with no extra supplements.
So anyone who doesn't want to play SW or BA are told to pound sand and pay for rules they don't want?

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IMO the main codex will have all of the primaris stuff and other shared units. Stuff like uniquely named units like DC, deathwing, wolfguard etc will be in supplement books, unless a lot of old marines end up in Legends.

I just want my TWC to live on!

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If the argument for their uniqueness is spamming Wulfen and Thunderwolves, then it wasn't really a unique army to begin with whether you like it or not.
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 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
And that's not even touching the weirdness of claiming the Deathwatch follow the Codex Astartes - has whoever made that claim not read their background, FFS?
I think it's less that they follow the Codex, and more that they use more or less exactly the same units that the core Space Marine book does.

A simple page explaining how Deathwatch get access to, say, Deathwatch Veterans as a Troops choice, but lose out on Tactical Squads, for example.

Saves them having nearly an identical codex barring like four units, and needing a whole new book.

I think the big thing this will encourage is doing multiple Chapters and freedom in Chapter selection. Now, if you want to play nearly ANY Space Marine Chapter, you only need to pick up that one book, and you can specialise down the line. For new players, that's got to be incredibly liberating - now, instead of needing to explain to them when they first show interest in Space Marines how you need to choose immediately between the normal book, the grey marines, green marines, and red marines, you can just point them straight to the core Codex.

Which is why Deathwatch should've just been in an Inquisitorial codex instead. Could've covered Grey Knights, Deathwatch, and if not Sisters then something else.

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Jimbobbyish wrote:
IMO the main codex will have all of the primaris stuff and other shared units. Stuff like uniquely named units like DC, deathwing, wolfguard etc will be in supplement books, unless a lot of old marines end up in Legends.

I just want my TWC to live on!

Ngl if all the uniquely named Wolf stuff ended up in a supplement I'd just buy the supplement.

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pm713 wrote:
Jimbobbyish wrote:
IMO the main codex will have all of the primaris stuff and other shared units. Stuff like uniquely named units like DC, deathwing, wolfguard etc will be in supplement books, unless a lot of old marines end up in Legends.

I just want my TWC to live on!

Ngl if all the uniquely named Wolf stuff ended up in a supplement I'd just buy the supplement.

I just had the same thought lol

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If the argument for their uniqueness is spamming Wulfen and Thunderwolves, then it wasn't really a unique army to begin with whether you like it or not.
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Right behind you.

Jimbobbyish wrote:
IMO the main codex will have all of the primaris stuff and other shared units. Stuff like uniquely named units like DC, deathwing, wolfguard etc will be in supplement books, unless a lot of old marines end up in Legends.

I just want my TWC to live on!

That's exactly how the current batch of supplements are right now.

Everything 'vanilla' is in the main Codex. The supplements have the named characters and specific units(Victrix Guard, Tyrannic War Veterans, etc for Ultramarines) present along with unique relics, special issue wargear(relics for sergeants!), and stratagems/warlord traits.
   
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I had to google what those were and damn, it hammers home the double standards some people have about the Wolves/Angels.

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Right behind you.

The Victrix Guard and Veterans? Yeah...it's a bit daft.

Victrix Guard are extremely irritating because they're fluffed as the 'bodyguard unit' for Calgar...so he gets a bodyguard unit but Shrike, the guy who just took over for a Chapter who lost their Chapter Master, doesn't?
   
 
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